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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1247
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
She would learn when she was ready.
My own father forced me onto an adult roller coaster when I was 5 years old and I definitely wanted nothing of the sort to do with it. I was mortally terrified the entire time and when we got home, my mother didn't know how to calm me down for days and days apparently. She was pretty furious.
After I grew up, I started riding the things on my own with friends and such and finally got over my fear....which had been reinforced even further by what my father forced me to do.
I'll ride any damned roller coaster now, but hardly a month goes by even to this day that the terror of that initially being forced to do something I did not want to do goes through my mind.
It was always a horrible resentment that tainted our relationship tbh, until the day he left us.
She was ready then, and I proved it to her. Got a little hug around my knees afterward to boot.
My wife was mad for a little bit, until she started getting praise and (that all important feeling for a housewife) jealousy from her friends about how their toddlers can't swim. Then it stopped being an issue. Took about two weeks.
I'll thank you not to project your own issues onto my family, however. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1739
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:45:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote: Also does highsec have ressources people can and do fight for. For example spots around moons for POSes. Belts. Exploration sites.
People can and do fight for these, by various means.
Just blew up a small POS last night for the modules ...
Took ages because I'm a moron and didn't have the right damage type -- was kind of a spur of the moment thing ... owners forgot to fuel so jumped it before someone else could.
With that said however, there is a pervading sense of "let someone else deal with it" in hisec. That paradigm really needs to be done away with.
[long-ish example from alliance and corp chat from about 7 months ago. Skip if you choose]
I'd have to dig up chatlogs, but a conversation I had with a rookie corpmate (who was at the verge of being indoctrinated into the "you're a miner, there's nothing you can do" way of thinking) that went a little something like this.
The scene -> Alliance chat. The players -> Alliance Exec ( Carebear bastard), The Rookie, Vel (Me)
Vel - logs in in the middle of a chat Rookie - that's OK though, I put a 20m bounty on his head. Maybe he'll think next time. Exex -> Good move, that'll show these guys we're not to be messed with. Rookie -> Yeah, I still can't believe CONCORD wasn't there to protect me. Exec -> They take longer in lower sec systems. Rookie -> Oh, so he died after he killed me then .... good ...
Vel looks through recent corp losses, finds The Rookie's loss happened to be in a nearby lowsec system
Me -> uh, bro, you were in lowsec. this loss is entirely your fault. Also, you wasted that 20m ISK. Exec -> you're walking a fine line there V, don't go lying to our rookies. Me -> dude, he lost the ship in 0.4 space. CONCORD was never going to show up. Have you not even briefed the newbies about this? Exec -> Huh, he said he was in [system name] ... Me -> Yeah, that's 0.4. Exec -> (other "watch what you're saying" type comments) Me -> whatever ...
Scene change -> Corp Chat, a little while later
Me -> Rookie, seriously, you could have spent that ISK better and gotten like 15-20 fitted frigates for that amount Rookie -> yeah, but I'd lose them because I can't fight that guy. Me -> maybe not, but that 20m you spent on a bounty (that will probably never get collected) IS.STILL.GONE. At least with frigates, you might get lucky and kill him ... or at the very worst you had some fun burning through the frigates beforehand. Rookie -> oh ... I never thought of it that way... the Alliance Exec has pretty much been pushing us to not get into fights because we're miners and we can't really fight and ... Me -> yeah, that's absolutely the worst way to play. What levels of skills do you have in [list of core skills] Rookie -> Um, let me check ... gives Vel skill levels Me -> Ok, hang on a minute here. Checks EFT to put a halfway decent fit together Me -> I think I have something for you. It's not the greatest thing in the world, and should ideally be flown in a gang, but it's better than nothing. Regional market checks show that it's ~1.2 million isk per ship. Rookie -> Ok... what is it ... ? Me -> Um, those 17 ships that're in your hangar now.. Rookie -> o_O ... OK, yeah, now I totally get what you meant about just throwing away ISK... I have to go now, but thanks!! One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Darko Atlante
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:48:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I'm about to go to bed, so I won't be around for a few hours to see or respond to immediate replies to this thread, but I would like to see some discussion about encouraging players to leave NPC corps. I know this discussion has occurred before, but it seems to have fallen off the radar, and a conversation with some associates of mine has sparked a few ideas that I think we can hash out and debug.
We should focus on encouraging players to leave NPC corps, any idea that forces players to leave NPC corps, then you might as well close those NPC corps. I'm not convinced that there is a problem, are high sec wardeccers out of industrials and rookie ships to kill in trade hubs?
I've played this game alone, for one year on two accounts I played this game mostly doing industrial and spreadsheets in space, because I joined this game because of the market and player made modules and ships. Some people actually love that part of the game, I didn't stay in NPC corp, I made a 2 man corp and never got wardeced.
Everyone who play this game long enough will eventually do PvP, we have got to give people time and be patient not forcing them out into pvp with arrogant statements. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
809
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:49:00 -
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Velicitia wrote: Heart-warming tale
Moar of THIS
LES WYNAN
Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1461
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:50:00 -
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For me, the problem is that I would not want to join any other player corp willing to have me.
"We demand your full API, we demand that you fly this ship fitted this way, we demand that you train these skills, we demand that your take part in corp ops, we demand that you do whatever our egotistical CEO wishes, we demand..."
I am sure that there are corps in Eve which are not like the above, but they do tend to be rather low profile, and sensibly so.
Thanks, but no thanks.
This is not a signature. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
809
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:53:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:For me, the problem is that I would not want to join any other player corp willing to have me.
"We demand your full API, we demand that you fly this ship fitted this way, we demand that you train these skills, we demand that your take part in corp ops, we demand that you do whatever our egotistical CEO wishes, we demand..."
I am sure that there are corps in Eve which are not like the above, but they do tend to be rather low profile, and sensibly so.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I and my alts have never been in one of those, though we have damaged and destroyed a few in our time
All The McCandless Clan ask is that you be a member of the Clan McCandless Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58887
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:55:00 -
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Regardless of the swimming pool and roller coaster nonsense........................
........the biggest appeal for me concerning EVE, especially having never played an MMORPG ever (except a few rounds of D & D around 1979), was not having anything mandated as a "must be done this way". One could literally do what one wants.
The moment something is enacted in this direction, EVE is all over with but for the Long Drawn-Out Death-Wail. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:57:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Awesome Story
Great story, but leads to questions.
Why are you in such a crappy alliance ?
Why aren't you taking people who are actually willing to play and create your own corp ?
Why aren't you removing that stupid idiot who calls himself Alliance Exec ? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:58:00 -
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ITT we learn that people who are spineless limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life, the exact opposite of the supposed "griefers are pussies irl" myth.
I'm less than shocked. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:00:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:ITT we learn that people who are spineless limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life, the exact opposite of the supposed "griefers are pussies irl" myth.
I'm less than shocked. I bet people will come up with ...
"But they only PLAY spineless cowards !" ...
OF COURSE ........................................... |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
815
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:04:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life
Again with the camp-hate
tut tut
Its like this is thread going down THAT path again
Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
244
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:06:00 -
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tsk tsk forums alts in calling people cowardly shocker.
i'm just RP a sarcastic **** don't worry <3 freelance space bum |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:06:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life Again with the camp-hate tut tut Its like this is thread going down THAT path again You're right.
I think we have lost course quite a while ago ................... |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:07:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:tsk tsk forums alts in calling people cowardly shocker.
i'm just RP a sarcastic **** don't worry <3 Are you telling me that i'm hiding behind a forum alt, to avoid that people know who my main is ? o_O
That idea is too funny ................... xD |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58891
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:limp-wristed cowards in a video game are also spineless limp-wristed cowards in real life Again with the camp-hate tut tut Its like this is thread going down THAT path again
For real. You probably know my story. Wrists don't really have a thing to do with sexual orientation in either direction.
But comments like that do tell a lot about the person saying them, and most indeed. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:08:00 -
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I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, but "limp-wristed" is not an offensive term. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, if that is what you are imagining. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
244
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:09:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:tsk tsk forums alts in calling people cowardly shocker.
i'm just RP a sarcastic **** don't worry <3 Are you telling me that i'm hiding behind a forum alt, to avoid that people know who my main is ? o_O That idea is too funny ................... xD
not you freelance space bum |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
815
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
For real. You probably know my story. Wrists don't really have a thing to do with sexual orientation in either direction.
But comments like that do tell a lot about the person saying them, and most indeed.
Agreed.
And no sarcasm or nonsense
Sometimes we do agree on things, Krixxy Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58891
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'll thank you not to project your own issues onto my family, however.
Then don't publicly post about your family issues in the first place. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1249
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:10:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, but "limp-wristed" is not an offensive term. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, if that is what you are imagining.
I believe it referred to weakness, originally intended to characterize someone who was too flimsy to hold a spear and a shield. Probably Greek in origin, given their love of foot soldiering. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
815
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:11:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, but "limp-wristed" is not an offensive term. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, if that is what you are imagining.
Oh look. Its THAT thread again.
Keep it in necro-posts, churchy Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58891
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:11:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, but "limp-wristed" is not an offensive term. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, if that is what you are imagining.
Go ahead and try to make me have great denial over my own personal experience with that phrase over a 48 year period of witnessing it's usage.
It's simply not going to happen. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:12:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:not you :(
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:12:00 -
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Limp-wristed means someone who always finds everything "too hard"; generally adverse to any effort or present discomfort for future reward. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1249
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'll thank you not to project your own issues onto my family, however.
Then don't publicly post about your family issues in the first place.
It was an analogy, numbskull. You're the fool who called me out for "child abuse", the blame lies with you and you alone. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:14:00 -
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Hey, if you misunderstand the meaning of a word, that's your problem, not everyone else's.
I could start taking unattributable offense to any word i want, doesn't mean others need accommodate my idiosyncrasies. Ironically, that kind of thinking is perfectly in-line with the running theme of people who are just too emotionally weak in real life to even play a gd video game without crying the entire time.
Talk about a running theme here. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
816
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:16:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Limp-wristed means someone who always finds everything "too hard"; generally adverse to any effort or present discomfort for future reward.
Troll on trolly.
Plenty of other places for you to do this Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1740
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:17:00 -
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Darko Atlante wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I'm about to go to bed, so I won't be around for a few hours to see or respond to immediate replies to this thread, but I would like to see some discussion about encouraging players to leave NPC corps. I know this discussion has occurred before, but it seems to have fallen off the radar, and a conversation with some associates of mine has sparked a few ideas that I think we can hash out and debug.
We should focus on encouraging players to leave NPC corps, any idea that forces players to leave NPC corps, then you might as well close those NPC corps. I'm not convinced that there is a problem, are high sec wardeccers out of industrials and rookie ships to kill in trade hubs? I've played this game alone, for one year on two accounts I played this game mostly doing industrial and spreadsheets in space, because I joined this game because of the market and player made modules and ships. Some people actually love that part of the game, I didn't stay in NPC corp, I made a 2 man corp and never got wardeced. Everyone who play this game long enough will eventually do PvP, we have got to give people time and be patient not forcing them out into pvp corps with arrogant statements.
I remember back when I started, the "encouragement" was that the belts were (more or less) always barren.
Belts only respawned on Mondays and Fridays (consequently, Wed/Thu was the best time to sell), and the mining corps in the area I lived in were usually getting the Dense Veld and Concentrated Scord in short order. Not to mention the "problems" with the can flippers and other undesireables that prey (more) on those without a ticker.
These days, there's no incentive to have a ticker ... belts spawn daily, flippers go yellow to the entire system, and other vaious nerfs and buffs that have affected other professions all combine to make it no better or worse to fly with a group. About all a group (in hisec) can offer is POS Labs.
I posted this idea in F&I after reading the few pages that were in this thread last night as an "incentive" for being in a corp again. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1249
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:18:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Hey, if you misunderstand the meaning of a word, that's your problem, not everyone else's.
I could start taking unattributable offense to any word i want, doesn't mean others need accommodate my idiosyncrasies. Ironically, that kind of thinking is perfectly in-line with the running theme of people who are just too emotionally weak in real life to even play a gd video game without crying the entire time.
Talk about a running theme here.
I once knew someone who took grievous offense at being called a claustrophobic. "I am NOT! I just don't like enclosed spaces!" Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58891
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'll thank you not to project your own issues onto my family, however.
Then don't publicly post about your family issues in the first place. It was an analogy, numbskull. You're the fool who called me out for "child abuse", the blame lies with you and you alone.
It is not at all my fault.
You posted the personal detail. You are going to get both positive and negative responses, just like in real life. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
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