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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:This game has a high learning curve not a high skill requirement as related to twitch. GǪbut as luck would have it, twitch is just one of many skills. As the steep and high learning curve shows, EVE requires a huge variety and a large amount of skill in many of the other areas. So the OP's claim that Quake requires higher skill because it has more buttons (a dozen compared to EVE's hundred or so) is pretty nonsensical. And as to his main question, I still take it that the OP hasn't seen any trailers or PR material for this game. Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Plain old grass? Yes.
The stringent regulatory requirements for all this "organic whole grain no hormones blessed by a hippy pagan princess vegan-acceptable" foods? Still Ludicrously more less than cattle. Why else do you think I can buy 3 pounds of beef for the same price as I can put together one of those vegan meals? Because of subsidies, scale, and short-cuts in the handling process. Non-meats are still a lot less resource-intensive to produce and distribute. As luck would have it once again you would be wrong. This game is no where close to a twich based skill game. This game is won or loss 90% of the time before you even undock. |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
54
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:29:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote: As luck would have it once again you would be wrong. This game is no where close to a twich based skill game. This game is won or loss 90% of the time before you even undock.
He's just pissed that any lol or dota player could do EvE combat part (F1, position: range, speed, trajectory, broadcast), but doesn't want to admit it. Because those games have terrain and obsticles to deal with aswell, closest thing in eve is a bubble. You also need to react in a split second. Good thing this is maybe 5% of EvE. I think they mistake the planning for the act of combat or something. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
689
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:36:00 -
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Well you can see it like that OP. Or you can see it like building a empire. The game is indeed based on PVP and thats the nr 1 reason you play eve online. If not the best way to say it there are better pve/pvc games out there. Sure you can pve/pvc but thats not what eve is made for. Its more a side job of eve online. However because eve have so many pve/pvc content that people think its like wow or other mmorpg but its not...... a common mistake in eve online. |
Yarda Black
Soul of the Black Dragon
0
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:43:00 -
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I believe this attitude of EVE being only about PVP originates from the early days of this game when it was designed without h-sec. It was setup from the start to be a competitive game where players could immerge themselves in a spaceship enviroment. Fortunately for me without all the star-trek talk.
Remember tho that mining and transporting were there right off the bat too.
But I don't understand why you even care what others believe EVE is about. I'm convinced you're the one deciding that. |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
54
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:46:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Well you can see it like that OP. Or you can see it like building a empire. The game is indeed based on PVP and thats the nr 1 reason you play eve online. If not the best way to say it there are better pve/pvc games out there. Sure you can pve/pvc but thats not what eve is made for. Its more a side job of eve online. However because eve have so many pve/pvc content that people think its like wow or other mmorpg but its not...... a common mistake in eve online.
You must not have read my post or read it wrong. It's exactly my point that there is so much more to eve PvP then the F1 blowing up stuff and getting killmails part. And yet people put exactly this on some pedestal, it doesn't deserve it.
For example the big fights with thousands of people. There is nothing impressive about a thousand monkeys pressing F1 while you have a guy doing the thinking for them and even the flying for them. However the sheer amount of organizational and logistical effort to get those people in a fleet is awe inspiring? All the in-game equipment and teamwork to pull something like that off... it's insane. And the F1 monkeys take the credit. This isn't right. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
15
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:50:00 -
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Well EvE is a PvP game..
And not just in a sense of Shooting directly at each other PvP... Pretty much everything you do in this game is competing against another player/s
So a market toon.. he is competing against the other market toons to make the best profits.. Miners are compeing against other miners in the area to get the most profitable rocks.. ect..ect..
Just because it doesnt always have explosions doesnt mean it isnt PvP |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17061
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:58:00 -
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Enduros wrote:You mean like the one about the inty flying 200km though gunfire to get a warp-in or the one where russians put 2 avatars in the system with nobody noticing? Also I think you missed the one where some carebare alliance put a bounty on vic. Or the one about stealing alliance assets? The last one is about exploration only and the rest of them are pretty much beauty shots of ships with DnB type of stuff in the background. Which ones am I suppose to watch again? Any of them, since they're all about PvP.
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:As luck would have it once again you would be wrong. Nope. I just don't buy the simpleton definition of GÇ£twitchGÇ¥ as the only skill.
Quote:This game is won or loss 90% of the time before you even undock. GǪand with twitch being only 10% of what determines what happens when you undock, that means that EVE has roughly 100+ù higher skill requirements than some silly little twitch game.
Enduros wrote:He's just pissed that any lol or dota player could do EvE combat part (F1, position: range, speed, trajectory, broadcast) Setting aside for a moment that that's not the combat part of EVE, no. I'm just pointing out that twitch is an utterly minute blip on the overall skill radar. Any player with some minimal twitch skill can come into EVE and cover that part, but they'll still be murdered since they lack the skills needed for this particular game. After all, it covers a far larger slice of skill pie than what they're used to.
But I understand why you're pissed now: because you are as unfamiliar with those other parts as they are, and you're trying to raise your comparative self-esteem by dismissing those parts for some trumped-up reason that essentially boils down to their being better at it than you are, so it must be a scrub tactic. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4781
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: pagan princess. Yes? I prefer the term High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh But whatever ignorant title floats yer boat I prefer being The Heir to The Throne of The Kingdom of Fools. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
865
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: I prefer being The Heir to The Throne of The Kingdom of Fools.
Nightranger, man
Night
Ranger High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:35:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Well you can see it like that OP. Or you can see it like building a empire. The game is indeed based on PVP and thats the nr 1 reason you play eve online. If not the best way to say it there are better pve/pvc games out there. Sure you can pve/pvc but thats not what eve is made for. Its more a side job of eve online. However because eve have so many pve/pvc content that people think its like wow or other mmorpg but its not...... a common mistake in eve online. You must not have read my post or read it wrong. It's exactly my point that there is so much more to eve PvP then the F1 blowing up stuff and getting killmails part. And yet people put exactly this on some pedestal, it doesn't deserve it. For example the big fights with thousands of people. There is nothing impressive about a thousand monkeys pressing F1 while you have a guy doing the thinking for them and even the flying for them. However the sheer amount of organizational and logistical effort to get those people in a fleet is awe inspiring? All the in-game equipment and teamwork to pull something like that off... it's insane. And the F1 monkeys take the credit. This isn't right. Solo Drakban, the hero we truly need. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
113
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:46:00 -
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You must first understand that there are 2 schools of thought here.
1) Those who understand that the game is ultimately about fighting for space, typically with guns, missiles, drones or under-animated doomsday weapons.
2) Those who have no self-worth, no human value, no sense of glory or moral compass... Those who prey on others who have neither the desire or ABILITY to fight back... Those who lack skill in quite literally every way. Those who "just want to watch the world burn".
Can you guess which group champions the idiotic idea of 'non-consensual pvp'?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:48:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:You must first understand that there are 2 schools of thought here.
1) Those who understand that the game is ultimately about fighting for space, typically with guns, missiles, drones or under-animated doomsday weapons.
2) Those who have no self-worth, no human value, no sense of glory or moral compass... Those who prey on others who have neither the desire or ABILITY to fight back... Those who lack skill in quite literally every way. Those who "just want to watch the world burn".
Can you guess which group champions the idiotic idea of 'non-consensual pvp'? The structure shooters who only want to take sov and will shoot structures for it? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
424
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:51:00 -
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Fact: Pressing F1 makes you awesome. Screw everyone that says otherwise, or says the same thing, but in a sarcastic way. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
54
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Enduros wrote:He's just pissed that any lol or dota player could do EvE combat part (F1, position: range, speed, trajectory, broadcast) Setting aside for a moment that that's not the combat part of EVE, no. I'm just pointing out that twitch is an utterly minute blip on the overall skill radar. Any player with some minimal twitch skill can come into EVE and cover that part, but they'll still be murdered since they lack the skills needed for this particular game. After all, it covers a far larger slice of skill pie than what they're used to. But I understand why you're pissed now: because you are as unfamiliar with those other parts as they are, and you're trying to raise your comparative self-esteem by dismissing those parts for some trumped-up reason that essentially boils down to their being better at it than you are, so it must be a scrub tactic.
You are missing the point I'm trying to make. Most of EvE boils down to information processing. I'm saying the tactical side of EvE combat is not what it's made out to be. Everything leading up to it however is far more then any other game can offer.
As for those silly little twitch games... you have obviously never played any competitively and you have no idea what you are talking about. Also FPS is actually a bad example because most of them are just twitch and nothing else, that's why I brought up quake. But since you don't have the first clue to what quake is then I shall bring up starcraft or dota. I will assume you know what both of those are and my argument is that the tactical side of combat in those games is far more difficult then EvE.
Also how very BoB of you to start assuming I'm not familiar with EvE. If I was unfamiliar I couldn't be able to make these comparisons. It's you who is unfamiliar with what I'm comparing it to. Oh and since you brought this up my self-esteem is fine and you must be from the US because over here we don't worry about this nonsense anyway. As for someone being better at something, well you don't know how good I am and I don't know who you are comparing me to so now what? As for my scrub tactics... they aren't working, last I checked you can't win eve.
Instead of resulting to some personal slander you should maybe make a reasonable argument. Did something strike a nerve and perhaps it's your self-esteem thaTry and not burst a blood vessel, ok? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:58:00 -
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Learning to assist your drones to your FC is the best thing ever. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17062
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:11:00 -
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Enduros wrote:You are missing the point I'm trying to make. You're missing the points you're making: that you assign fairly abusive labels based on nothing but your personal scorn for their preferred play style. You are also building the most massive and ridiculous straw man this forum has seen in ages (and that's saying something).
Quote:As for those silly little twitch games... GǪthey have no bearing on the topic at hand unless you want to incorrectly reduce everything down to just GÇ£twitch skillGÇ¥ and thus wilfully ignore all other skills GÇö the ones that EVE makes use of. Yet you bring them up, even though you claim to understand how irrelevant they are, as if they proved anything except that some people GÇö specifically the ones that trot twitch games out as an example ofGǪ wellGǪ anything, really, in EVE GÇö are very clueless about the concept of skill.
Quote:Also how very BoB of you to start assuming I'm not familiar with EvE. GǪwhich, of course, I didn't do. But if that's what you immediately assume people think of you, then maybe I should do so. Now, if you don't want me to deduce that you are not familiar with the skills involved in being successful in EVE based on what you say, then maybe you should try harder not to say things that demonstrate a staggering ignorance about the skills involved in being successful in EVE.
Quote:Oh and since you brought this up my self-esteem is fine and you must be from the US because GǪyou have nothing but incorrect assumptions to go on, which explains pretty much all you've said in this thread: the assumptions about skill, the assumptions about GǣcreditGǥ, the assumptions about favoured statuses, and the assumption that people can't make the connection between production and destruction.
Quote:Instead of resulting to some personal slander you should maybe make a reasonable argument. Maybe you should address the ones I made rather than resort to abuse of people who don't share your narrow-minded viewpoint and who actually see the bigger picture of this game? You asked a question, I answered it, and you immediately got very defensive and presumptive in your accusations when you couldn't come up with a good answer. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4904
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:17:00 -
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General Discussion, more like skillless scrub discussion eh
so much for forums pvp There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Angeal MacNova
XDraconis CombineX
95
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:28:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Instead of resulting to some personal slander you should maybe make a reasonable argument.
Tippia is incapable of such a thing.
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Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
56
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Enduros wrote:You are missing the point I'm trying to make. You're missing the points you're making: that you assign fairly abusive labels based on nothing but your personal scorn for their preferred play style. You are also building the most massive and ridiculous straw man this forum has seen in ages (and that's saying something). Thanks
Tippia wrote:As for those silly little twitch games... GǪthey have no bearing on the topic at hand unless you want to incorrectly reduce everything down to just GÇ£twitch skillGÇ¥ and thus wilfully ignore all other skills GÇö the ones that EVE makes use of. Yet you bring them up, even though you claim to understand how irrelevant they are, as if they proved anything except that some people GÇö specifically the ones that trot twitch games out as an example ofGǪ wellGǪ anything, really, in EVE GÇö are very clueless about the concept of skill. [/quote] You clearly just label everything as a twitch game and don't understand the actual skill involved in playing starcraft or dota for example. To get some clue try this in eve: Close your overview. Only use the system scanner for this. Close the modules icons. Keep track of the timers and charges and what is turned on or off in your head. Now you are playing at the proper concentration level.
Quote:Maybe you should address the ones I made rather than resort to abuse of people who don't share your narrow-minded viewpoint and who actually see the bigger picture of this game? I see the big picture. I'm complaining about people who elevate the narrow F1 pressing to something that it's not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17062
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:31:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Enduros wrote:Instead of resulting to some personal slander you should maybe make a reasonable argument. Tippia is incapable of such a thing. You seem to be confusing me with the OPGǪ or with yourself.
Enduros wrote:You clearly just label everything as a twitch game and don't understand the actual skill involved in playing starcraft or dota for example. Clearly? Based on what? And why should I get some clue about something even you agree is not relevant to EVE?
Quote:I see the big picture. I'm complaining about people who elevate the narrow F1 pressing to something that it's not. GǪwhich no-one really does, other than you. That's why I get the distinct feeling that you're not seeing the bigger picture. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
56
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:General Discussion, more like skillless scrub discussion eh
so much for forums pvp I can't tell who is winning
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
379
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:49:00 -
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You come so close in your OP...
Enduros wrote:Dropping a bunch of bombers on someone is funny. Yes, but it's not so simple. Have you tried it? A well-executed blackops drop is a good deal more challenging/exciting/rewarding than that.
Enduros wrote:If you compare EvE to something like quake, dota or starcraft you will need to admit that... ...they are completely different games with different skill sets that all require a tremendous level of training and practice at the highest level of play. Like EVE.
Enduros wrote:I love getting the perfect rocket-plasma-rail combo in quake, I love a perfectly timed combo in a dota teamfight and I like they way I placed my units in starcraft as they destroyed the other guy's army without me having to worry about someone not aligning or flying out of rep range
I'm not entirely convinced that you've pvp'd in eve. The adrenaline rush of a close-fought hour-long match in starcraft is absolutely dwarfed by a five minute intense fleet fight. The most perfect rocket-jump to railgun-in-the-face combo has nothing on blapping an interceptor that has you pinned down and escaping from under the teeth of a hostile fleet. Executing that combo in dota or lol feels great, but I'm sorry it just does not compare to being in a losing situation and having a friend de-cloak in a falcon to save the day.
The reason you are 'playing the game wrong' is not your unwillingness to pvp, but your attitude. I highly doubt you'd be making this post if you had an actual pvp history and not just two high-value losses over the last two months.
Might as well have named the thread Pandemic Legion Killed my Carrier, Remove PvP!
Or how about Why don't ec-300s jam an interceptor? Plz Hlp Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
7186
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:00:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Just looked at the topics on the forums and many threads have something in the lines of "eve is a pvp game, remove hi-sec, all miners must die, all carebears must be ganked, need force-undock module, etc" Basically if you aren't flying around trying to shoot at other people you are playing the game wrong and should just biomass yourself. I'm interested in where this is coming from. Obviously it mostly comes up for trolling purposes, but a great deal of people do subscribe to this notion and are unwilling to see past it and I would like to know why that is.
TLDR
Why do some people refuse to see past the above notion? Because that IS the game for them. If you met the people behind the screen who state the above you would most likely understand them better, but you have not met them and you don't understand why they don't think like you.
But why should everyone think alike in this game? Isn't that what makes the game more fascinating? ...and they get to post it as well.. YAY! lol. Some are pretty scary I must admit. But leave it that way I say. Gives me more to laugh about.
and all miners should be ganked at least once IMO I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
57
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:03:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that you've pvp'd in eve. The adrenaline rush of a close-fought hour-long match in starcraft is absolutely dwarfed by a five minute intense fleet fight. The most perfect rocket-jump to railgun-in-the-face combo has nothing on blapping an interceptor that has you pinned down and escaping from under the teeth of a hostile fleet. Executing that combo in dota or lol feels great, but I'm sorry it just does not compare to being in a losing situation and having a friend de-cloak in a falcon to save the day.
I've had these situations and they are absolutely awesome. Problem is they don't come about too often
Been waiting for these to come up. The mach wasn't mine and was caught on gate with 8 cynas while my mate was using my toon to move his assets out of FA space.
The carrier was just a bad cyno, but I was reimbursed so no harm done. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:11:00 -
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I highly advise to not fessing up to account sharing, as that is a perma ban level offense in most circumstances. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
57
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:13:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I highly advise to not fessing up to account sharing, as that is a perma ban level offense in most circumstances. As a way to access FA space I mean, obviously. |
Maximillan Lancaster
Inner 5phere
63
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:17:00 -
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No novels, please. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
214
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:56:00 -
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Enduros wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Quote:You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage. Whose recent kills? In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this, although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force. I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example. Bringing myself into this would just scream bias. Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination. How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on? As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example) force is projected successfully... no? Can't call it unsuccessful, however not very far-reaching as getting someone to apologize bears little consequence for the rest of us. We have also wondered far off the topic about how eve combat pvp is held in too high regard for what it in practice.
Yet we have rooks and kings. We have BL. We have a multitude of other pvp entities that punch above their weight. On a smaller scale everyday we see stories of one pilot taking on small gangs or even fleets. Just because you and I can't achieve this doesn't mean eve pvp lacks skill. It means we lack skill. I have flown in PVP with enough pilots to see enormous differences in skill and outcome from solo to small gang to large fleets. The people that can see the skill that goes into eve pvp at least have the chance to improve. (My ambition is to attain adequacy) the rest of you can stick with your delusions of adequecy /blobbing/ f1 / whatever. At its elite level single pilots can denude large fleets of their scouts and tackle. CFC can lose titans from within their superfleet and with a full BS support fleet to a small gang. station systems that should have been safe are lost because rooks and kings pipebombed the contesting fleet. Hundred man corps fall to CK alone. every day battle is joined with the smaller fleet with lower SP and lower isk value defeating the larger fleet due to intel, or superior FC'ing or better piloting. I know after every engagement i look back in shame at the errors i made. Maybe some of you would profit from subjecting your own piloting to the same scutiny. Marriage: The reason we build bars Galen Tyrol |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:29:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:[quote=Gargep Farrow][quote=Iudicium Vastus]
Thing is though if miners did have a fighting chance of seeing off gankers, they wouldn't get ganked. This says a lot more about gankers than miners, who are eves real carebears as there is no risk to what they do.
That is possibly the finest and most accurate thing that has ever been said in these forums. I am neither ganker nor miner so not coming from a biased viewpoint, but that is just beautiful. Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the War Room! |
Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:30:00 -
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Most people who are all in-your-face about how awesome PVP is and how lame you are for doing PVE are just not very intelligent.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of intelligent people that engage in PVP. But they are able to recognize why some people might be motivated to do mission running or mining.
When you find someone who thinks he's "cool" or you're "not cool" based on how you play an internet space ship video game, you can be sure that person is quite stupid. |
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