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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:17:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzR0tEXjhA
As you can see a single falcon was able to keep the majority of the gang target jammed for the duration of the fight. That is a severe balance issue. Yes you can fit ECCM but that doesn't magically mean ECM/Falcon are balanced.
Let's assume for a second we take scenarios where all the target ships are not fitted for any EWAR reduction. Now let's consider the other forms of EWAR and T2 electronic ships. You can certainly do anything from cap neuting to target range reduction to the point where you take 1 ship out of the fight. Maybe, maybe 2 ships. But that's it. You can never, with any other electronic ship, do anything as effective as was seen in this video.
Does that mean Falcons cannot be killed? Of course not. In this case the pilot kept range. Being able to be killed does not mean balanced.
Does a Falcon always give you the best advantage? Again, no, and that is why other ship types get used on occasion. But that does not mean it's none the less balanced. As stated the balance issue comes from the fact that no other EWAR setup has the capability to be as effective as the Falcon does at their best.
The effectiveness of each given EWAR setup within an ideal scenario specific to that EWAR type should always equate to the effectiveness of the other EWAR setups within ideal scenarios for those EWAR types. The same should apply to the least ideal scenarios; all forms of EWAR being as ineffective as one another.
I would love to see them balance it like this.
You tank your ships against EM, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive damage.
But you refuse to tank your ship against EWAR.
Obviously EWAR is the problem. Not the pilot. |
MissyDark
Carsultyal
12
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:03:00 -
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Can you stop crying against falcon and ecm? You have two counters agains them - ECCM and FOF missiles. How it is ok to tank against damage, fit cap boosters against neuts but somehow you don't tank against ECCM and think it is ok to cry nerf because of your own shortcomings? Train sensor compensations and fit your ship properly, stop whining. Because of people like you we no longer have speed tanking, NOS is useless module, gallente are terrible due to web nerf... stop crying for nerfs, it makes the game worse in the long run. Adapt or go play hello kitty. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
996
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:04:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Tzar Sinak wrote:Wasn't Falcon already nerfed? I mean wasn't ECM already nerfed? ECM and Falcon are one and the same. But our newbie Blackbirds... If ECM cruisers were bewbies: Blackbird = A-cup Falcon = epic perma-perky triple-F's with small nipples and naturally-occuring cleavage
Quoting because I have no idea what you're selling here, but I'm tempted to buy based on the description
Now the counters to ECM are:
- ECCM (Reality =makes it take a 2nd go to per jam you) - FOF MIssiles (Reality = these missiles spend all day aimlessly chasing drones and not the ECM threat they were invented to counter!!!) - Warping away, Jumping gate, leaving the fight (Usually not an option by the time the falcon lands) - More Falcons! (Reality = Actually works if you're the fastest to lock)
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
946
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:59:00 -
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Those new satisfries from Burger king suck!
Oh and ecm is fine as is.... Especially after the multiple times it has been nerfed into oblivion over the years.
Also... go put a shirt on MissyDark. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
432
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:21:00 -
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ECM was already nerfed repeatedly in the past few expansions. Nerf to range, nerf to strength, adding skills that counter ecm, etc.
In the last major war the ewar of choice was damps, not ecm. Celesti blotted out the sun. |
kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
12
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:40:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:There are a sufficient quantity of counters already in game. It's not CCP's problem if the players don't use them effectively.
+1 ill also go as far and say most at fault are EFT warriors LMAO! ... "Look at me, im supa dupa dps on paper!"
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:30:00 -
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There should be diminishing returns of each successful jam cycle.
So if you get jammed once, the next jam cycle should have ~33% less chance of jamming you. You you get jammed twice in a row, 3rd cycle should have 66% less chance.
That would be much more fair system |
Krimishkev
The Revolutionaries
6
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:28:00 -
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Stop whining about ECM you cry babies. What the hell.
Its called warp out, and warp back in... which is exactly what and low HP ecm ship has to do if its engaged.
Its one of the major players in deciding if a gang of 5-6 should consider engaging a gang of say 8 or 10. It helps keep the sandbox fluid, you take away the griffin/kitsune/blackbird/falcon/rook/scorpion/widow and you lose this significant factor in the creation of PVP content. People run away all the time now so as it is. You want to make it even worse I suppose.
If anything NERF LOGISITICS, OMG SO MUCH REPS JEEEZUS.
What you should be worried about is the Kitsune, in Rubicon. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
946
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:55:00 -
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Krimishkev wrote:Stop whining about ECM you cry babies. What the hell.
Its called warp out, and warp back in... which is exactly what and low HP ecm ship has to do if its engaged.
Its one of the major players in deciding if a gang of 5-6 should consider engaging a gang of say 8 or 10. It helps keep the sandbox fluid, you take away the griffin/kitsune/blackbird/falcon/rook/scorpion/widow and you lose this significant factor in the creation of PVP content. People run away all the time now so as it is. You want to make it even worse I suppose.
If anything NERF LOGISITICS, OMG SO MUCH REPS JEEEZUS.
What you should be worried about is the Kitsune, in Rubicon.
Makes me wonder if the OP has ever seen any of the footage where a single curse takes out entire gangs.
A solo falcon would have problems doing the same. |
Gothikia
Regeneration
44
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:09:00 -
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Seriously, this **** again? ECM is fine as there are countermeasures. Typical bloody "OH NOES U HAS TO NERF ECM!" crybaby. <3 Gothie |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
947
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:12:00 -
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Gothikia wrote:Seriously, this **** again? ECM is fine as there are countermeasures. Typical bloody "OH NOES U HAS TO NERF ECM!" crybaby.
Its "Because Of Falcon". |
Krimishkev
The Revolutionaries
7
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:27:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Also... go put a shirt on MissyDark.
She has to do something to take your focus off her man face.
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Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
123
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:31:00 -
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Everyone please calm down and act civil.
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