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Vypri
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Posted - 2013.10.21 02:38:00 -
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I have created a very small corp with some new PVP characters, and will try and recruit members once I get a good PVP program setup.
Goals
1) To be able to log in EVE and PVP for a few hours and move on. 2) Wanted it in High Sec, to allow for easy ship replacements and mods from HS couriers. 3) Want it to allow anyone in Corp to enjoy the fun. 4) Want as many RED's/Targets as possible, don't care if we are out numbered. 5) Maintain my own identity and corp, not join another corp... VERY IMPORTANT....
What I think may work. 1) Wardec Medium sized PVP corp or corps that are common to area that I want corp to base. Only corps that enjoy PVP and will participate willfully. 2) Create an Alliance and allow other small corps to join and participate in PVP wars, rather than have to join my corp.
What I don't want. 1) To join (as stated above) RVB because I want these two characters to be corp pure for the long term (sort of RP) 2) Base in Null and wait hours to find or hunt fights (been there and it's boring TBH)..not enough fighting. 3) Base in LOWSEC as it will be too difficult to get quality shipments to replace items, as well as cost of replacements. More the hassle really of getting gear. I also feel it will be harder to get corps to join alliance.
My Budget 1) I have funds to afford a 2b monthly expense and another 4 or 5b to spend on setting it up.
Before I follow through, I was looking for input to see if my logic is sound or is there a better way. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.21 02:49:00 -
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Come check out Black Rise in low-sec. I literally log on and find a fight within 5 minutes. You can be a pirate or part of one of the militias, but for now, I suggest just buying some frigates, moving into Ichoriya/Onnamon and flying into low sec and seeing how it goes.
If you're willing to spend 2bil a month on PvP, spending 100mil a week for a JF (maximum) into low-sec is easily your best choice. I support my PvP habits with about 2 JF a month, ~170mil through BlackFrog.
Also, high-sec PvP seems to be all station games and gatecamps. Why would you ever want to do that? |
Vypri
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:12:00 -
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The idea of RVB is a good I feel, but don't know how it has actually worked out for them in regard to game play. I really don't care if the battle is against us, as that makes for an interesting story and learning experience. I wouldn't just want it to be gate camp abuse though either.
The goal is to develop a long term strategy that can allow a positive PVP experience for myself and others. Where all players can maintain a positive security status while combat is active.
I feel that Low Sec will be the option if I can't make something happen in HS, but it's more a last resort. Just seeing if the mechanics can work for a HS (Fair Game) play style. Of course High Sec Camps are nothing like Low or Null, so not nearly as problematic.
thanks for the input though. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:34:00 -
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Vypri wrote: Deal with FW fails (LowSec as well).
Oh wise one - please gift us with more of your knowledge.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:35:00 -
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Vypri wrote:I have created a very small corp with some new PVP characters, and will try and recruit members once I get a good PVP program setup.
Goals
1) To be able to log in EVE and PVP for a few hours and move on. 2) Wanted it in High Sec, to allow for easy ship replacements and mods from HS couriers. 3) Want it to allow anyone in Corp to enjoy the fun. 4) Want as many RED's/Targets as possible, don't care if we are out numbered. 5) Maintain my own identity and corp, not join another corp... VERY IMPORTANT....
What I think may work. 1) Wardec Medium sized PVP corp or corps that are common to area that I want corp to base. Only corps that enjoy PVP and will participate willfully. 2) Create an Alliance and allow other small corps to join and participate in PVP wars, rather than have to join my corp.
What I don't want. 1) To join (as stated above) RVB because I want these two characters to be corp pure for the long term (sort of RP) 2) Base in Null and wait hours to find or hunt fights (been there and it's boring TBH)..not enough fighting. 3) Base in LOWSEC as it will be too difficult to get quality shipments to replace items, as well as cost of replacements. More the hassle really of getting gear. I also feel it will be harder to get corps to join alliance. 4) Deal with FW fails (LowSec as well).
My Budget 1) I have funds to afford a 2b monthly expense and another 4 or 5b to spend on setting it up.
Before I follow through, I was looking for input to see if my logic is sound or is there a better way.
Make sure you have a team of 6-12 people who will help you out. You need IT people to run websites and voice servers, you need FCs, you need JF pilots, you need diplomats, you need HR people, you need people to manage courier contracts, etc, etc, etc. It is a lot of work to manage a corp in Eve, even a small lowsec one. My advice would be to scrap the idea of creating your own corp, as it will most likely fail. If it does start to succeed, it will be by your shear effort which will cause you to burn out then your corp will die. Either join an established corp that will give you the ability to "lead" and accomplish your goals or find a bunch of other like minded people who are trying to start their own corps and merge.
I know you said you didn't want to merge or join another corp, but just by the fact that you posted on this forum asking these questions you have to realize you are in way over your head. I don't mean to be harsh and I'm actually trying to help. QCATS is recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Vypri
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Posted - 2013.10.21 05:21:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Vypri wrote: Deal with FW fails (LowSec as well).
Oh wise one - please gift us with more of your knowledge.
Yes, wise in ... I've been there and still have a character who is enlisted with the Amarr faction and it isn't the style of PVP game that I prefer. Didn't mean to step on a FW pro's party with a negative comment about their dream...though... my bad.
Other Wise.... Andra
I can see you've had some first hand experience running a corp on EVE as a business.... I've started and ran corps with 40 plus members over the years, and have another character now I play sometimes that is in a Null corp that has over 300 plus members. Corps don't have to be that complicated, just in agreement to the structure and like minded goal. Most corps as is don't trust anyone in corp and just have a temp agreement to not shoot one another while they play their own games and back each other up when it suites them.
The question is still open though.. Is there a better game mechanic to get HS PVP going other than what I've already presented. Again the goal is to not have a Null or Low Corp experience, as they already exist in plenty.
Thanks for the responses though |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 05:43:00 -
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10 for 10. great troll "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
- you |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:45:00 -
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Vypri wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Vypri wrote: Deal with FW fails (LowSec as well).
Oh wise one - please gift us with more of your knowledge. Yes, wise in ... I've been there and still have a character who is enlisted with the Amarr faction and it isn't the style of PVP game that I prefer. Didn't mean to step on a FW pro's party with a negative comment about their dream...though... my bad. Other Wise.... Andra I can see you've had some first hand experience running a corp on EVE as a business.... I've started and ran corps with 40 plus members over the years, and have another character now I play sometimes that is in a Null corp that has over 300 plus members. Corps don't have to be that complicated, just in agreement to the structure and like minded goal. Most corps as is don't trust anyone in corp and just have a temp agreement to not shoot one another while they play their own games and back each other up when it suites them. The question is still open though.. Is there a better game mechanic to get HS PVP going other than what I've already presented. Again the goal is to not have a Null or Low Corp experience, as they already exist in plenty. Thanks for the responses though
Provide assistance to multiple ongoing wars. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:29:00 -
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If you are looking for fights, wardec some merc corps. Best option for hisec.
Break-a-Wish, Pendulum of Doom, MAD, Marmite... they will all fight.... and give you a run for your money. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:44:00 -
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Go wardec those FW fails, should be good KB padding........ |
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Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:08:00 -
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Is there any "proper" PVP to be had in HS as a PVP corp? Pretty sure it amounts to station games, out of corp alts boosting and neutral logi. So I guess that's what you would need, out of corp alts for boosting and neutral logi. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:09:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Is there any "proper" PVP to be had in HS as a PVP corp? Pretty sure it amounts to station games, out of corp alts boosting and neutral logi. So I guess that's what you would need, out of corp alts for boosting and neutral logi.
If this were true, that'd mean highsec PvP would be more fail than lowsec FW fails.
The OP is obviously an expert, why he came here to ask us rabble for suggestions is beyond me. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:40:00 -
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Sounds like you need someone who knows small gang / has small gang experience.
Your idea sounds interesting, hit me up if you are looking for your first member :) |
God's Apples
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:30:00 -
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lel Chessur doing ~elite~ high sec pvp |
Mobadder Thworst
Numbnuts Patrol
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:42:00 -
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Contact me in game, I have some experience with this... |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Phobia.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:25:00 -
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WHs are sick for pvp m8. always roaming new areas is a blast. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:33:00 -
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I recommended you learn how to play the game and pvp before attempting this. If you have no pvp experience you can't possibly even begin to run a pvp corp. Also pvp does not exist in high sec. http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:04:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote: Go wardec those FW fails, should be good KB padding........ this^ come pvp in sahtogas! |
DiamondDave Maximus
Latter Day Saints SPACE CONTINUUM
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:39:00 -
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I'm actually trying to do the same thing. I'd like to chat with you. |
Esturary
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:45:00 -
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Ah crud my F'ed up my post.....
Not typing it again...lol
Just have fun. |
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Varrinox
Igneus Vindicta Legio Vindicta
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:23:00 -
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FW lowsec fails means what exactly? If your implying FW has bad pilots, sure we (I am amarr militia) have some but there are bads everywhere. FW has some of the best individual/small gang pilots in game. Also has some of the best and most creative FCs there are. All the haters have clearly never lived in FW for a lengthy time to experience it.
The OP wants to be able to login and get fights straight away, whilst FW is lowsec mostly (there is a highsec side to it) it is the best PvP for jump in and get quick fights in eve nothing else compares. Highsec - lack of targets and lack of good fights Non FW lowsec - can spend hours looking for a viable fight only to get baited and blobbed Wormholes - proper WH pvp revolves around intel which is time consuming Sov Null - blobs farmers renters NPC Nullsec - only comparable area to FW with people actually there for fights Pirating FW areas - probably most targets you can get in the game, as long as you don't blue tons f the militias, aka suddenly + winmatar |
Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:39:00 -
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Hey there, might want to try this:
When your corp is formed; go to the corp menu, wars -> all wars and check the only assistance request thingy (At work, so don't know how it's called exactly).
Than go ahead and offer your assistance to all wardecced corps/alliances for free (<- important, many corps just scam this to get some easy isk, so if you charge you won't get many targets)
Fly in small, cheap fleets with friends or friends to be and you'll do just fine.
Station games, offgrid boosting, alt reps and the whole shebang isn't required at all. In fact, it just slows you down and detracts from the fun. Also if you win a fight due to those extra tools, you still won't have the 100% satisfaction a real fight brings
In any case, remember it's a game and you are trying to have fun. ( I hope)
D.
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo
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Posted - 2013.10.31 09:04:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:If you are looking for fights, wardec some merc corps. Best option for hisec.
Break-a-Wish, Pendulum of Doom, MAD, Marmite... they will all fight.... and give you a run for your money.
You left us out, we'll fight all day if that's what you want, the never ending engagement is what we strive for.
Baw, doom and mad will fight but marmite will show numbers to kill a solo person and then run from a fleet engagement, options must be weighted and looked at proper when picking up a war. History of the target and the targets goals as a corp/alliance are key factors in the quality of PvP you'll get from them. |
Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.31 10:58:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:You left us out, we'll fight all day if that's what you want, the never ending engagement is what we strive for.
Baw, doom and mad will fight but marmite will show numbers to kill a solo person and then run from a fleet engagement, options must be weighted and looked at proper when picking up a war. History of the target and the targets goals as a corp/alliance are key factors in the quality of PvP you'll get from them.
Wow... just WOW. fetal asphyxiation syndrome finally got to you, did it?
Saeger1737 wrote:So marmite just has to get involved in every forum war I have now? Are you serious with following me around with every post I make with Sol nub epoch's forum alt miko jin? Since when do I answer to marmite for any of my corps wars? If your a client your separated from the marmite crap, but if your gonna be marmite all the type and attempt to police my posts all the damn time, the Rubicon deal will be off.Whatever your choice..
What are you rambling about now, Saeger?
Try to give advice to this fellow or just don't come here boasting crap, please. And don't tell me a client paid you to come stroke your ego in this thread, it wouldn't make sense. Also, to expose your blatant lies; http://p0wnd.nl/kb/?a=home has some nice fleetfights everywhere in space. If you are so sure of your lies, let's test it out huh? I'll hire you to wardec Marmites instead
D.
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:46:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:You left us out, we'll fight all day if that's what you want, the never ending engagement is what we strive for.
Baw, doom and mad will fight but marmite will show numbers to kill a solo person and then run from a fleet engagement, options must be weighted and looked at proper when picking up a war. History of the target and the targets goals as a corp/alliance are key factors in the quality of PvP you'll get from them. Wow... just WOW. fetal asphyxiation syndrome finally got to you, did it? Saeger1737 wrote:So marmite just has to get involved in every forum war I have now? Are you serious with following me around with every post I make with Sol nub epoch's forum alt miko jin? Since when do I answer to marmite for any of my corps wars? If your a client your separated from the marmite crap, but if your gonna be marmite all the type and attempt to police my posts all the damn time, the Rubicon deal will be off.Whatever your choice.. What are you rambling about now, Saeger? Try to give advice to this fellow or just don't come here boasting crap, please. And don't tell me a client paid you to come stroke your ego in this thread, it wouldn't make sense. Also, to expose your blatant lies; http://p0wnd.nl/kb/?a=home has some nice fleetfights everywhere in space. If you are so sure of your lies, let's test it out huh? I'll hire you to wardec Marmites instead D.
Oh know scary marmite. 50 million isk mmm big spender.
See you can get fights by posting the truth up to people who won't see the light. Forsaken asylum gives great fights as well and they were left out. |
Saeger1737
Pod Repo
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:53:00 -
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Well if fybs is fc you'll get a fight but if tora FC's they all run scared, ask eve uni about more details. |
Vypri
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:59:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Hey there, might want to try this: When your corp is formed; go to the corp menu, wars -> all wars and check the only assistance request thingy (At work, so don't know how it's called exactly). Than go ahead and offer your assistance to all wardecced corps/alliances for free (<- important, many corps just scam this to get some easy isk, so if you charge you won't get many targets) Fly in small, cheap fleets with friends or friends to be and you'll do just fine. Station games, offgrid boosting, alt reps and the whole shebang isn't required at all. In fact, it just slows you down and detracts from the fun. Also if you win a fight due to those extra tools, you still won't have the 100% satisfaction a real fight brings In any case, remember it's a game and you are trying to have fun. ( I hope) D.
Thank you very much for this idea... I didn't know we could just assist like that. I was trying to justify the costs for Wardec's and how to fund it, that would fix all of that.
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Maximus Decimal
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:28:00 -
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1. Content - FCs + Fleets for your members 2. SRP - Ship Replacement Program, even if it's just t1 frigs, any corp can provide even the most basic of SRPs 3. Delagate - CEOs cannot do everything, they think they can, they make others believe they can, but they need lieutenants. 4. Incentives - encourage members to PvP.
top tips by a former CEO of a successful PvP corp :-)
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Rovain Sess
Sons of Retribution
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:35:00 -
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Get together a merry band and join FW. I'd suggest Gal or Caldari Militias. Dont believe all the propoganda doled out by the trolls. You'll get fights, develop synergy, test tactics, etc.
Plus - in FW you tend to use smaller hulls. Really comes down to getting a reliable crew and actually flying together - especially if you want to be effective in the small gang arena.
I'd also suggest you commit to living in low sec and not be a scare bear. Committing will test ur steel and allow you to get to know an areas habits and haunters.
Above all else - have fun.
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