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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:52:00 -
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As 4 months have past what is your view on the hacking mini-game.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1654
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:38:00 -
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I don't mind it quite as much as I first did, but I've also largely stopped doing it. At this point, I see it mainly as a mechanism of slowing down covops frigs enough so I can shoot at them; the Sisters gear is going to be worth more than the loot spew anyhow.
I wouldn't say it's a failed mechanic; to say that would imply it had a goal to fail in the first place and I've never been clear on what that might have been. But I would say it's a peculiar thing to pop up in the middle of my spreadsheets in space game. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1504
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:46:00 -
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as with loot spew, the problem with the mini-game is very much its simplicity. there is hardly any thought involved; once you are past the first few tries, you know exactly what you have to do to maximize your chances to win and every click you have to do becomes one too many. it's like playing mine sweeper with three mines on the field.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Thanos The Mad-Titan
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.21 16:58:00 -
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I don't mind it |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
84
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:19:00 -
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Did a one week hacking round trip through 0.0. I will not engage in this feature ever again. It is dull, dumb, boring, RSI inducing and it hurts my eye sight. Significantly! |
Julius Priscus
166
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:05:00 -
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I used to enjoy hacking and the other mini professions..
now its just a waste of skill points in its present carnation. I regret skilling up them mini profession skills to 5 for now.
hmm dejavu -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
184
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:03:00 -
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I actually moved a toon to null, shoved a PLEX to double train, and got decent hacking skills to give it a go.
I think the way the computer memory grid gets populated need tweaking, it just does not feel right. One minute it's like I'm breaking into a warehouse to steal the Holy Grail, and discover that the security guy tried hiding it next to the door in the umbrella stand thinking "they won't possibly look there". The next time I find zero security everywhere, and then find 10 machine gun nests surrounding the only room left unchecked, because I did not expect them hiding it in the toilets.
The loot explosion ... is what turned me away. It just drove me insane. Took a while, but it did. If you have to do it over and over and over, you will get RSI and eyestrain. To me, anything that requires more flying and button clicking work then flying a Noctis or a Logi ship, better have a damn good reason to make me do it, and even though I was probably just loot unlucky, I gave up on it. Yes, scanning optimizes your chances, it also means that you KNOW something decent got away just because you zigged-instead-of-zagged towards the wrong can ... frustrating.
I'd go back to having to fight my way out on a failed hack if it meant higher loot chances, or something similar anyway. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Enduros
Ostian Industries Hand of Despair
58
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:04:00 -
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The loot spew is the worst mechanic in this game. It doesn't fit with anything else. With the reward being as crap as it already is why must the cans float out and disappear? I don't like fruid ninja. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.10.23 01:33:00 -
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Most people have already said both blow large uneven chunks, but since it is a dev baby it is not going anywhere. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
916
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Posted - 2013.10.23 02:10:00 -
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Every person who replies that they hate it are doing it solo. I do it in a group and it pays quite well. Most I have made so far is 375 mil an hour. Average is about 225 mil an hour.
But then that's the problem with it, if it was feasible to do the very best sites solo everyone would be doing it, making a billion an hour plus.
So people do the best sites they can solo and its too much work and not lucrative enough. Bummer. Eve is Real |
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Substantia Nigra
Terribad Gay Failtard Carebears
1301
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Posted - 2013.10.23 03:48:00 -
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Dislike intensely, and have stopped running them. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
154
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:12:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Didn't think I was going to like it - tried very hard over last 4 months but for me it's a fail.
Removal of AI rats has increased exploration which has destroyed loot values. More and more sites are left to rot - even by those that find the hacking mini-game 'enjoyable' . |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
154
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:34:00 -
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error |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
333
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:00:00 -
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After doing exploration for a week, I gave up. If you're exploring non-stop for over an hour, your finger begins to hurt from all that clicking. |
Buzz Madullier
The Essence of Nike
6
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:23:00 -
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I talked about my frustrations with it here
I don't mind the mini-game, but I think there are too many random factors to the whole process now.
A) Scanning down sigs are random on what they are B) The loot in the cans at a site are random C) The mini-game is random (sometimes with back to back anti-virus and ****, or the system core(end) 2 clicks away from start). D) The cans that spew out are random E) They spew out in random directions F) They spew out at random speeds G) What the cans have in them are random even though sometimes you scan 12 different unique salvage types in one can you still get junk items from part and material cans.
So much randomness, very frustrating. |
Buzz Madullier
The Essence of Nike
6
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:30:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Every person who replies that they hate it are doing it solo. I do it in a group and it pays quite well. Most I have made so far is 375 mil an hour. Average is about 225 mil an hour.
But then that's the problem with it, if it was feasible to do the very best sites solo everyone would be doing it, making a billion an hour plus.
So people do the best sites they can solo and its too much work and not lucrative enough. Bummer.
I call bullshit. Almost all the hacking site cans can be done solo and pretty damn quickly. The only time I might miss a few drops is from Relic sites where they have like 12 pieces to them. Though I almost every time get the T2 salvage at least. Almost all the BPC's that drop are the same and useless. I think I have 12 BPC's for Micro Jump Drives and 10+ Reactive Armor Hardeners, the small and medium ancillary boosters/repairs are nice though.
I make about 20-50mil per run I do and that is about in an hour, but I can't see people making much more than that without getting really lucky drops. I highly doubt that each person is making 225 mil per hour on average. That is just ridiculous, unless you are saying that is the amount split with the group . |
Yolo
Yolo Corp xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
76
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Posted - 2013.10.28 09:12:00 -
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Hacking is a joke. I cleared 4 sites in 0.0 and hauled in a whopping 85 400 Isk worth of loot. Risk without reward.
Worthless, pointless and stupid. - since 2003, bitches |
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners Brainfarts
73
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:03:00 -
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I used to do a lot of these sites and had trained up the skills necessary to fit the T2 modules, which I now consider to be a waste of several days training.
Being an older player with arthritis I find the new 'hacking minigame' quite painful after a while.
To be honest, how it can even be called a 'minigame' is quite beyond me!
At least before I could scan down the site, hack quickly based on my character skill and GUARANTEE that I got all the loot - however much it was worth.
Now it is just takes to much time for not enough reward.
Just my opinion but pretty sure it is one many explorers would agree with.
CCP need to roll this feature back or ensure that the cans dropped can be picked up by the sole explorer without the current clickfest.
My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Enthropic
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
64
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:26:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Did a one week hacking round trip through 0.0. I will not engage in this feature ever again. It is dull, dumb, boring, RSI inducing and it hurts my eye sight. Significantly!
tried to think how I should word it, but this one pretty much sums up for me how I feel about the minigame and loot spew mechanic.
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.28 22:59:00 -
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click, click, click, click, click x 25, yea it's fun.
I can't play that part of the game. It's just to lame. |
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:00:00 -
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BobFenner wrote:
Being an older player with arthritis I find the new 'hacking minigame' quite painful after a while.
Yea, it can do a job on your wrist after a while. Main reason I don't play much in the first place. |
Hidioscious
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 04:57:00 -
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Used to love scanning/hacking action. It was fun, it was solo lucrative, it was one of the rare professions where you can have that "i am exploring" feeling while making dosh. And it made sense. You scan site down, have a look at things, shoot a few rats, get your cans and move on. Mini game .... I do not mind it horribly. It gets old after like 3 sites, but i do not do this almost at all any more, so when i do a site, it is not that bad. Can spews however are utter and complete pile of rubbish urinated upon by a lame camel .... I can not even imagine which genius came up with that particular idea, but whoever it was might consider that a total write off idea, or if insists on it being good, maybe a change in career to gardening or something. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
640
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:00:00 -
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I enjoy it, be nice if it was a little more skill base rather than chance based though. |
Leskit
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
47
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:42:00 -
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I'm not a fan of it, both for the mechanic, and the isk per hour per work amount ratio. We had a group of 7 guys doing a c5 cite and after an hour, we cleared the site and made *almost* 100 mil isk. In c5 space sometimes more than half of nodes are defensive things that pop up so it's like minesweeper. It would be better if there was some logic, but it feels like 100% random generation and is both boring, time consuming, and low-paying for w-space standards. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
230
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:34:00 -
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hate it with a passion. way to much clicking. If i want to click like mad I go play D3 (and I dont). I already have carpal tunnel from to much computer use, so this isnt helping.
So.. yeah I dont scan anymore other then for other players. |
Esturary
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:39:00 -
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The new mini game--------> Hunt hackers in sites and profit......they have already done all the work. |
Katrina Warsong
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.30 18:48:00 -
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I hate it really much but i do it because it's a good income and very very low risk.
But my wrist started to hurt after a while, is that an intended drawback? |
Samuel Wess
Stain Police Happy Cartel
28
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:05:00 -
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I just hate it. It turned a strategy game into a laboratory rat labyrint where you have to rapid click your way to get a bite of food, over and over until you get brain dead.
Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!" |
Elfred Gam'Havoc
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:45:00 -
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I enjoy the excitement of sneaking around low and nullsec, and even enjoy the minigame... but loot spew is terrible. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
37
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Posted - 2013.11.04 08:31:00 -
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As soon as it came out and I tried a few sites, I stopped doing it - yes I hated it. However, after a few months I got back into it again, had some nice drops and suddenly it was fun and all good.
So my honest answer - when I get a good drop I love, it, when I don't, I think it's sh*t. ;) |
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