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Rain6638
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:13:00 -
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I think the bundled nature of the CE is a mistake, and its components indicate a lack of perspective. Now that we're closer to the end of pre-order, I have some coherent thoughts and questions.
...and I'm posting this because I think this issue is not just -my- problem, and we stand to benefit from doing something differently. (and this is GD)
The "all or nothing" nature of the CE. With the exception of players who are completely satisfied with -every- item in the CE, and those who are indifferent to its existence, the CE is "lose-lose" and "lose-win" at best for most players. There are some things I want (pod, arm), and the rest I have little interest in. Because I don't have the option of purchasing the items individually, the CE bundle is "lose-lose" when I don't have those items and you don't make a sale, and "lose-win" if I pay for things I don't want yet you make a sale.
The exact figures of these groups are impossible to know, but I have a feeling you could stand to sell more CEs. I'm going to reach a bit and also believe your sales would be better if you offered the digital items individually. plus it's a digital good of unlimited quantity.
microtransactions for the components of the CE is in-line with the occasion. As long as they are available for a limited time, you can offer them separately and preserve the anniversary occasion. I'm under the impression you've committed to offering the pod and arm only to CE buyers in an effort to make more CE sales. If this is the case, you haven't appealed to my sense of value enough.
...and people who maintain a surplus of liquid currency do it by paying attention to value, and are not easily swayed by marketing (which you've done a great job of, imo).
value of status symbols. I think the arm and pod stand out to me for their value as status symbols, and an important quality of a status symbol is its visibility. The pod is somewhat inferior to the arm in this way, because I can display the arm in my avatar, while displaying my pod is something I try to avoid. think: bling.
Rifter hub: I could use a powered USB 3.0 hub, and in comparison the CE rifter hub is an EVE gift shop souvenir. you missed the mark on that one by putting a USB hub in it.
EVE music CD. Without looking, I'm going to guess the tracks are not available on iTunes.
EVE book, yes. Danger Game, no. the EVE book has entertainment value, and the hardcover finish makes it worth the price of an enthusiast hardcover collectible. As for Danger Game, I understand the origins of CCP are dear to you internally, but I don't see myself playing it, or convincing anyone how cool it is. "I'm happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but" I think tying Danger Game to the CE shows the lack of perspective I mentioned.
Sentimental value. You're asking me to put up money to celebrate EVE's 10th anniversary. I think you deserve to get paid, and I'm ok with the things I pay you for. I just have an expectation of some value in return, and the bundle.
[sell me some pods and arms, at a price that will entice me to buy a handful, or would make the CE's price look better] [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:18:00 -
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Rain...Noooooooo. Not a CE post from you too!
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. You were to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1036
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:21:00 -
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lol. there's worse. I just found myself crapping up someone else's unboxing thread and it struck me as impolite. so I made an expanded post about it here. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
897
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:22:00 -
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Do you want to sell yours?
I dont care about the ingame crap, I only want the CD and the Rifter tbh High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:23:00 -
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Didn't we know what we were getting in the CE box set the day it was up for pre-order? The only surprise was what was in the mystery code. I think the items are cool and can't wait for more stuff to be released.
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Rain6638
Team Evil
1036
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:28:00 -
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Ramona, I have not purchased one, and I don't think I will change my mind about it unless they break the bundle.
Artimis, yeah, I've known about the contents, which is why I haven't sprung for it. adding to the problem is that I have five separate mains who I'd like to bling out with at least a pod.
are CE threads being instalocked? I didn't think to look before posting one. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
899
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:32:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:Ramona, I have not purchased one, and I don't think I will change my mind about it unless they break the bundle. .
Ah ok.
Well if you get one cheap, please remember me
I really want them to mass produce some ship models so I can run around my room going "ssssffhsshs" "pew pew pew" "booomm!" "Damn you, foul Goon!" "Ha ha! Not today TESTicicle!" etc
Re-enacting the Great Fountain/Delve/Ariada Conflict High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
300
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:33:00 -
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They've already indicated the symphony CD will be available later individually. Given the work in translating and updating the Danger Game, I don't see why they wouldn't eventually sell it individually as well. They've also indicated the clothing and cybernetic arm stuff is stuff that will make it's way to the NEX Store someday in the future as well.
The Collector's Edition is buying a fairly large expensive pack, for first dibs on all of it. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1036
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:34:00 -
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yeah? and I'd like a noctis model with intermittent lasers to simulate tractor and salvage beams :-D [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
300
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:37:00 -
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Laser pointer Noctis USB hub for 15th anniversary? |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
469
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:45:00 -
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So.... Collectors Edition.... They usually are a bundle of things. And limited. Hence.... Collectors. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1037
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:48:00 -
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hoarding/collecting... same thing? [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
175
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:49:00 -
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This OP is so clueless about what a collectors edition is it's hurting my brain.
"This limited exclusive collection of rare items! I demand they be sold separately so I can pick exactly the thing I like and skip the rest!" My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1037
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:55:00 -
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I'm willing to walk away from it, like I've been doing this whole time. it was just a suggestion. no rage. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
22
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:59:00 -
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Posts like this is literally why we can't have nice things. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
785
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:59:00 -
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One thing that is fortunate is that if your interest is purely in a subset of the ingame items they seem to all be available on the market. Those items can and are being acquired individually in the way I think most appropriate considering this is Eve. |
Radelix Cisko
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
124
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Posted - 2013.10.22 20:20:00 -
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I too want the Rifter USB hub cause the 12 USB ports within arms reach ( 1 of which is in use) is not enough. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
900
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Posted - 2013.10.22 20:21:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:I too want the Rifter USB hub cause the 12 USB ports within arms reach ( 1 of which is in use) is not enough.
"Ha ha! Not today, TESTicicle!" High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1037
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Posted - 2013.10.22 20:22:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:One thing that is fortunate is that if your interest is purely in a subset of the ingame items they seem to all be available on the market. Those items can and are being acquired individually in the way I think most appropriate considering this is Eve. That's the plan: extract ISK from game, buy from market. I was going to mention it, but it was too negative to include in the opening, so I decided to let someone else make that point. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
187
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:07:00 -
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I agree with rain and have even mentioned that someone could actually make a profit by buying the CE and selling off the individual items especially if their character is in need of ISK.
Crasniya wrote:They've already indicated the symphony CD will be available later individually. Given the work in translating and updating the Danger Game, I don't see why they wouldn't eventually sell it individually as well. They've also indicated the clothing and cybernetic arm stuff is stuff that will make it's way to the NEX Store someday in the future as well.
The Collector's Edition is buying a fairly large expensive pack, for first dibs on all of it.
They have made it very clear that "The EVE Online pre-purchase items are timed exclusives, available initially to pre-purchase customers and available to trade in the marketplace. These items will be made publicly available via in-game markets and promotions at a later date."
I would be very surprised if CCP doesn't eventually make sleeves (I still bought my 8 for a ton of ISK knowing this) and Genolution 3 & 4 available later and will almost see people throwing this quote back at them if they don't. The order page for the CE however does also have that image that was available at launch with the 4 NeX items and torch (why I didn't shell out several billion for one) with the line "exclusive in-game clothing" under it. I'm sure players will also complain and point this out if these items appear again later. I personally think the idea that CCP even has to state this either way is rather silly, and people should just buy what (and can afford) they want regardless of price speculation and future availability.
https://store.eve.com/collector-s-edition/eve-the-second-decade-collector-s-edition-116
I probably would have bought a few sets and sold the physical items on eBay and ingame items for ISK (I sold my Genolution pair for over 1B) if I needed more ISK but I am fine with ISK and don't know if the physical items will bring me $150. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
907
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:19:00 -
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Celeste Taylor wrote: Words, sorry wasnt listening, got distracted
Your avatar is bloody brilliant High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1038
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:20:00 -
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thanks, Celest. I appreciate 'cha
I thought about the individual sale scenario, and it occurred to me that offering items at different real-world prices would break some things. or something. the thought is still vague to me. for example, if they said a gnosis would only be available as a 5-run BPC through CE preorders, and then decided to give one to every account for no apparent reason... that would be weird. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1601
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:27:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:This OP is so clueless about what a collectors edition is it's hurting my brain.
"This limited exclusive collection of rare items! I demand they be sold separately so I can pick exactly the thing I like and skip the rest!"
Pretty much this. A CE is always going to be an overpriced item with lots of crap that most people , even the purchasers often don't want. It is for the true hardcore fans who are willing to waste their money on it anyhow. If this isn't you, then you shouldn't buy the CE. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
1039
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:56:00 -
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I'm ok with that, but in the context of this being a for-profit-company that depends on player enjoyment and/for support, doesn't it raise questions when things have been handled this way?
this concludes my M.A. of bittervet thesis. where's my diploma [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
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