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Philadelphia lawyer
Swell and Marbury Dissonant Harmonics
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:00:00 -
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Confirmed March Payment :) |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2150
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:48:00 -
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confirming payment
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
93
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:36:00 -
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End of another successful month.
Profits in the region of 50B +
Payouts flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Will roll over for another month. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2151
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:56:00 -
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Confirming receipt thanks waffle .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
224
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:30:00 -
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Excuse me, Wafflehead, but may I ask why you continue this bond, even expanded it, when your figures show that you are actually hurting yourself that way? Or am I missing something?
Here's an overview of the figures you posted: (ISK values in billions)
First column is the month, second your estimated NAV = 40 Bn according to your OP for the first month and in the following months it's the old NAV plus profit minus interest paid to investors (not shown in the overview) for the month before, third the ammount of invested ISK, fourth is the sum of NAV and invested ISK = total available "play money", fifth is your profit for that month and sixth is the calculated ROI.
Month - NAV - Invest - Total - Profit - ROI
11.13 - 040,0 - 15 - 055,0 - 42,3 - 76,9% 12.13 - 080,8 - 15 - 095,8 - 32,1 - 33,5% 01.14 - 111,4 - 15 - 126,4 - 49,7 - 39,3% 02.14 - 159,6 - 22 - 181,6 - 52,0 - 28,6% 03.14 - 209,4 - 28 - 237,4 - 52,2 - 22,0% 04.14 - 258,8 - 28 - 286,8 - 50,0 - 17,4% 05.14 - 306,0 - 28 - 333,0 - ?
It seems the ammount of available ISK has little effect on your profit December was a special case, so those numbers are lower than to be expected. But at least starting February 2014 (when you expanded the bond from 15Bn to 22Bn) you are paying interest for invested ISK that you (apparently) don't need. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
93
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:48:00 -
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Your comments and figures look somewhat correct to me (there has been character/asset purchases along the way)
To be honest the latest increase of bond was not requested by myself, they were offered by the investors themselves looking to earn a bit more.
As you said the extra ISK hasn't really had much of an impact at the moment, really due to not putting it to use. I have kept my current trading practices the same throughout the loan apart from the last month (March > April). The profits for that period were in the region of 70B
I have other ventures that I am looking to get into and this bond is going to close shortly, probably at the end of this month (May payout).
I owe flakeys and Philadelphia lawyer for both of them taking a risk in investing in me and for that I have been happy to continue the bond and pay something back!
Hope this answers your questions. |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
224
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:59:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:Your comments and figures look somewhat correct to me (there has been character/asset purchases along the way)
To be honest the latest increase of bond was not requested by myself, they were offered by the investors themselves looking to earn a bit more.
As you said the extra ISK hasn't really had much of an impact at the moment, really due to not putting it to use. I have kept my current trading practices the same throughout the loan apart from the last month (March > April). The profits for that period were in the region of 70B
I have other ventures that I am looking to get into and this bond is going to close shortly, probably at the end of this month (May payout).
I owe flakeys and Philadelphia lawyer for both of them taking a risk in investing in me and for that I have been happy to continue the bond and pay something back!
Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for your answer. It doesn't answer everthing but explains something I was curious about.
Btw, if your profit for March>April was in the 70B region you might want to update your post from yesterday where you state the profit for that period was "in the region of 50B+".
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
93
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Posted - 2014.04.24 10:46:00 -
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Updated, had to check the numbers to make sure it was accurate :). |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
96
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:51:00 -
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Apologies for the delay.
Successful month, profits in region of 38B Lower profits were expected, moved house and have been settling in and setting up new office space/workstation area. Had to wait for broadband to be installed and home network setup.
I am going to run this for another month as I have not had time to sort out my next venture.
Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2173
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Posted - 2014.05.25 07:56:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:Apologies for the delay.
Successful month, profits in region of 38B Lower profits were expected, moved house and have been settling in and setting up new office space/workstation area. Had to wait for broadband to be installed and home network setup.
I am going to run this for another month as I have not had time to sort out my next venture.
Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Confirming payment of interesest , thanks waffle .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
96
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Will post profit calculation later on. Expecting lesser profits than before. Been away on a weeks holiday with the family and have been having some issues with my internet connection (packet loss caused by a faulty router). Everything seems to be all good now with that replaced.
Again happy to continue this for another month as I have had hardly any time to prepare my next venture.
I guess both investors will be happy with this, I will let you guys know once it comes to a close! |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2276
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Posted - 2014.06.23 07:17:00 -
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Confirming payment of interest , and close it whenever suits you best wafffle .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
101
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:57:00 -
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Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
That time of month again.
Profits: 63,430,130,436.72
New month :) |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2349
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:50:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
That time of month again.
Profits: 63,430,130,436.72
New month :)
Sitting with a nice glass of red whine in spain on one of my last days here , i confirm receipt of interest
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
101
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:53:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Wafflehead wrote:Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
That time of month again.
Profits: 63,430,130,436.72
New month :) Sitting with a nice glass of red whine in spain on one of my last days here , i confirm receipt of interest
Oh what I would give to be in spain drinking some Sangria right now!. Enjoy the rest of your holiday :) |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
103
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:07:00 -
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Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Profits: 36,947,090,261.68
Lower amount as had less time to play this month.
Loan will finish on the 24th September. Looking to start something different :) |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2424
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Posted - 2014.08.25 09:41:00 -
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interest received as usuall , thanks waffle .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
105
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:39:00 -
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Delays on my new project so I am going to extend this for 1 last month. It will close on the 24th October. Hopefully this is ok with the investors - If not please contact me and I will sell stock to pay out.
Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2442
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:46:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:Delays on my new project so I am going to extend this for 1 last month. It will close on the 24th October. Hopefully this is ok with the investors - If not please contact me and I will sell stock to pay out.
Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Confirming receipt and no probs on the extension .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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InvestmentBot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:50:00 -
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Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:02:00 -
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InvestmentBot wrote:Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind?
TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link.
Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2503
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:43:00 -
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mynnna wrote:InvestmentBot wrote:Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate and can be verified on zkillboard. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link. Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors.
I'll leave the rumourmongering and detective work up to you guys if you don't mind as the idea alone bores me to death , though i have that with a lot of things in eve these days.
All i will say is 18 B invested , 19.6 B interest received so even though waffle was claimed to be a scammer from the start by most regulars this guy has kept his word and has given me more isk back then he got from me. So i'll just wait till i hear waffle's side of the story as i have more reason to trust him then the ones coming with this ''news item'' and if i don't hear from him by the end of the month then i can make a gamble on what was/is true.
But thanks for your ''genuine concerns for the investors'' mynna .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2568
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:43:30 -
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mynnna wrote:InvestmentBot wrote:Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate and can be verified on zkillboard. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link. Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors.
I'll leave the rumourmongering and detective work up to you guys if you don't mind as the idea alone bores me to death , though i have that with a lot of things in eve these days.
All i will say is 18 B invested , 19.6 B interest received so even though waffle was claimed to be a scammer from the start by most regulars this guy has kept his word and has given me more isk back then he got from me. So i'll just wait till i hear waffle's side of the story as i have more reason to trust him then the ones coming with this ''news item'' and if i don't hear from him by the end of the month then i can make a gamble on what was/is true.
But thanks for your ''genuine concerns for the investors'' mynna .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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RAW23
859
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:38:00 -
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mynnna wrote:
Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors.
I don't follow the logic of the last paragraph. How did the risk profile change, even if it is the case that the POS was connected to the guy who launched this bond? Assuming for a second that the figures given in this thread are accurate, the OP has made profits in the 100s of billions range over the course of the bond. Investing some of those profits in endeavours other than the station trading mentioned in the OP would neither change the risk level nor detract from the truthfulness of the initial bond's aim to raise isk for station trading. Indeed, the suggested link between the 28bil figure involved in this bond back over a year ago, and the very broad 25-60bil back of the napkin calculation provided by Aryth seems weak at best, as it implies the completely unsubstantiated claim that this business has been running in exactly the same way and at the same size from the beginning of the bond to Aryths discovery. The connections being drawn between the business and the bond, beyond the personnel involved, seem, then, to be almost entirely groundless.
I should also note that the inference in the article here:
Quote: He tracked the POS fuel team to Geras, and observed all the aforementioned points; no build stations, lots of teams, very high industry/science indices, and only one large build POS in system. This meant that every Science and Industry job in the system was being built out of that one tower.
is also pretty dubious. I don't know if this was turned into a stronger claim than the one Aryth originally made by the writer of the article but the conclusion obviously doesn't follow. Since Crius it has been much less necessary to use a large POS for manufacturing since one no longer needs multiple instances of the same arrays to carry out a large production operation. I just can't see any reason, then, to assume that all the build jobs in the whole system must have been installed at this one POS simply because it was the only large POS in the system. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
864
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:38:28 -
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mynnna wrote:
Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors.
I don't follow the logic of the last paragraph. How did the risk profile change, even if it is the case that the POS was connected to the guy who launched this bond? Assuming for a second that the figures given in this thread are accurate, the OP has made profits in the 100s of billions range over the course of the bond. Investing some of those profits in endeavours other than the station trading mentioned in the OP would neither change the risk level nor detract from the truthfulness of the initial bond's aim to raise isk for station trading. Indeed, the suggested link between the 28bil figure involved in this bond back over a year ago, and the very broad 25-60bil back of the napkin calculation provided by Aryth seems weak at best, as it implies the completely unsubstantiated claim that this business has been running in exactly the same way and at the same size from the beginning of the bond to Aryth's discovery. The connections being drawn between the business and the bond, beyond the personnel involved, seem, then, to be almost entirely groundless.
I should also note that the inference in the article here:
Quote: He tracked the POS fuel team to Geras, and observed all the aforementioned points; no build stations, lots of teams, very high industry/science indices, and only one large build POS in system. This meant that every Science and Industry job in the system was being built out of that one tower.
is also pretty dubious. I don't know if this was turned into a stronger claim than the one Aryth originally made by the writer of the article but the conclusion obviously doesn't follow. Since Crius it has been much less necessary to use a large POS for manufacturing since one no longer needs multiple instances of the same arrays to carry out a large production operation. I just can't see any reason, then, to assume that all the build jobs in the whole system must have been installed at this one POS simply because it was the only large POS in the system.
Edit - That stuff aside, it's a great story and it's fantastic to see some opportunities opened up for economic warfare in highsec. I remember the frustration I felt three years ago when I tracked down the 18 alts of a trader who was undercutting my industrial sell orders (being produced out of four large towers in Geras, coincidentally), scouted down his production location and set The Orphanage on his three large towers. Unfortunately, though, we were competing in a market sector (T3 subsystems) for which the build times were very short and any wardec could be responded to by simply waiting for the current builds to finish, clearing the tower out and then onlining all the hardeners to make shooting the tower a frustrating and pointless exercise. We got two of his three towers before the mercs gave up in boredom but it was a somewhat futile gesture. Worse was the fact I couldn't find anyone who was willing to gank the NPC corp alt Orca he used to haul his goods to market (this was before CODE had become a significant thing). The Crius changes wouldn't really have helped in my situation but I'm glad they are making this kind of thing more viable.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
956
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:56:00 -
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the system was checked for other production arrays of any kind obviously, there weren't any
do you think that with all the effort to take down a hardened large they'd have left a small that might also be producing live? |
Retar Aveymone
Evening Games Club
1021
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:56:28 -
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the system was checked for other production arrays of any kind obviously, there weren't any
do you think that with all the effort to take down a hardened large they'd have left a small that might also be producing live? |
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:21:00 -
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Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol.
A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment.
I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them).
The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386
I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not.
flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th.
If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly. |
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:21:17 -
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Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol.
A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment.
I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them).
The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386
I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not.
flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th.
If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2504
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:37:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol. A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment. I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them). The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386 I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not. flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th. If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly.
Cheers mate , no rush
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