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QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:56:00 -
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So umm... WTF W-space (the region, not Mister als group ill get to you later)
The long standing "kings" are all but dead. Aharm joined Noho, narwhals/exhale/whatever they call themselves are so splintered that they dont even matter anymore, SYJ... and thats all I really have to say on that one.
Seriously W-space what in the hell happened? I go away for two months to play ffxiv and I find that the only people left are either blue(ish) or are in a completely different time zone that no amounts of poorly translated borat quotes could get them to fight.
W-space (the alliance) keep getting dunked on.
Whale girth was fun, but that was a farming fleet we dropped on. (hilariously I might add)
So here I am, no trolling, no games, issuing a challenge to all of W-space. Next time any of you, find anyone else of you. Dont roll instantly wanting to run that instrumental in your hole, or pretend to all be asleep cause you only have 7 people on. Come out, and fight. Skillian Verge, a group that HK alone completely dwarfs, saw us, saw our numbers and got bait ready hoping we would take it. (Never not take bait unless its an orca scanning on a hole cause thats bitten) And they rightly dunked us hard.
More groups if Skylian Verge can do this, any of you can.
So my challenge is clear. Next time any of you major groups see of the other major groups, come out and fight. Do us all a giant favor and bring back the content to WH space. Dont just roll your hole hoping no one saw you. |
Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 08:31:00 -
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IMHO I think most people agree that when both sides are about equalish w-space fights are really awesome. Thats was also often the reality years ago when a lot of pvp corps had about the same numbers. Problem with w-space pvp are that numbers are more a key factor than anywhere else and people started to blue each other and form giant fleets to get better odds.
I know in nullsec our 10 men gang often wins or equals against fleet with 30-40 dudes. In w-space same fleetsize would loose so hard against 30 dudes or even 20.
We spent hours to come up with comps that can fight against big numbers in w-space but man, I'm not really sure if its possible except some hit and run tactics.
Sometimes groups go for downshipping and get half staged t1 cruiser fights at sun but TBH is as thrilling as loading up SiSi and pvp there.
Wish there were better mechanics in place |
Sushi Nardieu
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:33:00 -
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Don't forget the splintered VoC in your list btw
I don't know the answer to your first question QT, but here is what I have to say for myself which is somewhat relevant:
Personally, I got bored and moved on. I wanted new challenges.
Originally I came to W-space for an adventure, which I got in abundance, however W-space became less mysterious and adventurous overtime. It was time to make a change after that realization.
I committed my services to Bite Me to the best of my ability, killed tonnes of ****, made friends and had a great time. Then signed off. The cycle is completed. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:34:00 -
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W-Space is a sad state of affairs right now.
C5 after C5 is either dead, or the farmers don't want to play. We call ourselves WH corps but I'm starting to spend more time in the connecting nulls than in the actual holes.
It's no wonder groups are moving to the lower class holes. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1024
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:50:00 -
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It's a game design rather than a player behavior problem IMO. +1 |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:56:00 -
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Ha ha ha haa haaaa (gasp.... pant..... gasp.....)
Haa haa hee heh ho (gasp.... pant... gasp.....)
er.... yeah, I don't get it either. What could it be?
Listen up kiddies I herby proclaim and demand that you play my way and make fun for me in wh space.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - get with my program. NOW!!
OR ELSE
(I'm not messing around here, this is your last warning) |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:24:00 -
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Everything in WH sites should taclke all the time with infini points. There would be a lot of russian rage, it will be hilliarious. That 3 man corp sniper dread one siege cycle oh there is a new sig pos up escalation farming bullshit sucks. |
Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
37
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:55:00 -
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Random Woman wrote:Everything in WH sites should taclke all the time with infini points. There would be a lot of russian rage, it will be hilliarious. That 3 man corp sniper dread one siege cycle oh there is a new sig pos up escalation farming bullshit sucks.
Nah... pure ganks are quite boring in the long run and it would just lead to more dudes leaving w-space. If people are risking ships costing about .5-4 bil each in pvp, you really need a half decent way to replenish your losses.
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Angry Wife Agro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:09:00 -
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QT McWhiskers, corporations are merging into few oversized alliances blueing up with others and you are surprised why W-space became dull space? Say thanks to Ceos who manage corps and alliances poorly and make little people suffer. |
Chitsa Jason
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
814
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:30:00 -
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Well I think what happened is people get used to having fights. If you take it back few years you will notice that there were way less fights in general in wspace. I am not saying that current situation is great but its not super dire yet anyway.
What wspace needs is a shakup in form of changed stats/behaviours and additional content.
Ghost sites will be added to wspace in Rubicon, while a minor step in the right direction it is a step in right direction. I hope the trend will continue.
Besides everything mentioned in this thread I personally think that the biggest problem is that people became lazy. So **** YOU lazy people!
Quote:narwhals/exhale/whatever they call themselves are so splintered that they dont even matter anymore
Narwhals, Exhale, and whatever never were a single alliance. CSM8 Member Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason Skype: Casparas
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Malception
Cosmology
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:37:00 -
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I'm thinking the alliance mechanic itself is better suited for null-sec and hoping for a time in the future where w-space is filled with lots of small corps. I've been watching History channel youtube videos a lot lately, so I compare my dream to Rome and the Germanic tribes.
Also, buttsekz.
That is all. |
Bane Nucleus
Negative Density
462
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:26:00 -
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Wormhole space in lower class wormholes is just fine. Free Agent |
M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:48:00 -
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Farmer checking in.
Stop with the alliance building and bluing eachother. |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:50:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:
Ghost sites will be added to wspace in Rubicon, while a minor step in the right direction it is a step in right direction. I hope the trend will continue.
just tell em to stop "improving" exploration they ******* suck at their own game. Custom probe fromations was nice (an UI improvment), the rest just plain horrible. Infact I argue Oddysse de facto removed exploration from the game, as that Team Trisomie 21 sig scanning device is always showing everything right away, not much exploring to be done after that.
Ghost sites, they are not even sigs, its a ******* joke to even sell em as exploration, as for selling em as a small WH feature, well lets say if we start celebrating they didnt forcefully removed them from W-Spce I think it clearly shows the current state of CCP incompetence when it comes to WHs. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:55:00 -
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Malception wrote:I'm thinking the alliance mechanic itself is better suited for null-sec and hoping for a time in the future where w-space is filled with lots of small corps. I've been watching History channel youtube videos a lot lately, so I compare my dream to Rome and the Germanic tribes.
Also, buttsekz.
That is all.
I agree, also butsecks is what my loki is named. |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:58:00 -
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Bane is wrong. Bane is always wrong. Bane is a noob. What's wrong with Bane? Bane eats too many grapes, wears a red jacket and is a noob.
Bane really is the problem here. He started the trend to create large overall crappy wh alliances. He started the mandatory bat phone program. If Bane would just stop talking - wh space would be sooooo much better.
Aside from the evil Bane has brought upon us I'm not sure what you're looking for. It kind of sounds like a 'you guys should fight me or else' thread. We've had manyseveral of these threads and they haven't changed anything. (one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results)
I think Sushi provided you with the answer you seek. If you're not having fun, then move on to something else. You'll never be able to get other players (especially eve players AND especially especially eve wh players) to do what you want. Quit asking/demanding/begging for them to do other than what they will do. You can't control them.
Actually that brings a solution to your problem to light. You're in a big alliance. Tell your corps in your alliance THEY HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER EVERY TIME THEY MEET. You can control your own peeps. If what you guys truly want is just good fights, then roll into yourself and kick your own butts. Instead of complaining of a percieved downward spiral in wh space, create your own epic inter alliance fights. Report back to the forums of the epic wins/losses and how much fun you had and folks will be drawn to the action. (this will require work on your part and not on our part, so it isn't all rainbows and unicorns)
If you want more than good fights, then the above won't help you much. If you want something other than good fights, then please tell us what you really want. |
Sushi Nardieu
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:08:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:
Besides everything mentioned in this thread I personally think that the biggest problem is that people became lazy. So **** YOU lazy people!
You're CSM? The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1604
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:08:00 -
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QT,
One question back for you. As one of the largest, if not the largest single WH corps, do you think it helped or hurt the situation by joining an alliance? It seems to me that big alliances simply reduce potential targets in WH space. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
289
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:13:00 -
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Angry Wife Agro wrote:QT McWhiskers, corporations are merging into few oversized alliances blueing up with others and you are surprised why W-space became dull space? Say thanks to Ceos who manage corps and alliances poorly and make little people suffer.
confirming business as always on the small end of gangsizes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |
JamesWyh
Probe Patrol Polarized.
8
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:22:00 -
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I think this is a good idea from the OP to take fights and stuff, lately i've been more of the opinion of just well **** it lets do it!
We actually went into your home system the other week but were shocked that no one was home but a bitter scout who got caught.
However even chance encounters with entities such as yourselves those mighty self important people that have spoken up in this post, the chances of us meeting are slim ish even.
We need more of a drive to bring people in but im no expert on how ect..
And the whole 'lower class wh space is the ****' stuff doesn't float with me, chances of random drakes coming into your hole to gank are great im sure but yeah..
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CeNSeR
Boris Johnson's Love Children
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:30:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:What wspace needs is a shakup in form of changed stats/behaviours and additional content.
Ghost sites will be added to wspace in Rubicon, while a minor step in the right direction it is a step in right direction. I hope the trend will continue.
My thoughts on the last CSM meeting go like this....
CCP: Hey guy's we are introducing some new ghost sites to the eve universe.
Wormhole CSM: So how will these new sites work in wormholes?
CCP: Well ermmm well (first CCP dude turns to the other and looks for help) we are going to put some funky new blueprints in there for you guy's.
After the meeting first CCP dude turns to the other " wow dude that was close and well done for some really quick thinking there".
The problem is not the mechanics of wspace its the total lack of new content,modules and ships focusing on wormhole space. I know for myself the first time i jumped into one i was hooked but i feel the vets are growing weary or the same **** day in day out and no new zest added to keep us interested and bring new blood in.
Odyssey was a complete fail for us and when i watched the teaser for Rubi - CON on twitch i was totally disheartened, I don't think they mentioned wormholes once.
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Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:36:00 -
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What if I told you... We don't have 15+ man gangs at all times of the day..
The only reason Skylian Verge took you on was because they felt they outnumbered you and could take you on.. as shown by the battlereport: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20103411 25vs10 (possibly more if some escaped.. I can't tell because you failed to kill anything)
To me, it sounds like you are just disapointed that there are fewer blobs you can fight with your blobs. You are sad that you can't use your full 241 man corporation (plus alliance if needed). If you sit and consider why the bigger alliances broke down besides politics and other bullshit.. you can see that smaller entities can cause other smaller entities to fight them because they don't feel like they will get instapwned.
Try downshiping.. Try thining your ranks.. Try leaving a WH dedicated Alliance.. and maybe.. just maybe.. you will have more fun than blob.. -Bl+¦d
Transcendent Sedition is recruiting! Join "TSED Recruitment" chat ingame to talk to us if you are interested in Wormhole life! |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:45:00 -
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Oh dear. |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:04:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:Malception wrote:I'm thinking the alliance mechanic itself is better suited for null-sec and hoping for a time in the future where w-space is filled with lots of small corps. I've been watching History channel youtube videos a lot lately, so I compare my dream to Rome and the Germanic tribes.
Also, buttsekz.
That is all. I agree, also butsecks is what my loki is named.
I can confirm this. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
349
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:27:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote: Try downshiping.. Try thining your ranks.. Try leaving a WH dedicated Alliance.. and maybe.. just maybe.. you will have more fun than blob..
I'm all for smaller WH entities, etc. but people don't come to wormhole space to downship and arranged type fights are just booooooorrring. Part of the problem in C5/6 space is quite a few entities won't fight outside of their home WH where they have the capital advantage if needed which the easiest, least effort answer to with the mass constraints is the T3 blob. |
Casirio
Obstergo Bitten.
486
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:28:00 -
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small gang stuff has revitalized my love for wspace. but rolling a c5 or c6 static to look for epic gudfites with a 30 man t3 gang waiting is no longer fun for me. who's got time for that ****. not enough big kids on the block for that these days. so funny how this post always comes around from a big group like when I was in exhale./polarized. big alliances/coalitions are just boring. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
268
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:40:00 -
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To be honest I don't have much sympathy for the people running blobs all the time who go "Why nobody fight us when we blob?" There aren't that many of you left in wormhole space for that very reason; all the really strong wormhole corps have moved out into null to try to find more crap to fight (or admittedly fail cascaded).
We were trying to bait Thou Shalt Not Kill into a fight the other day with 3 ships, and they dropped 30 on us. Had they dropped 10, they would have had our 10 man fleet engage them, and then been able to blob in the other 20. The fact is that they got lazy and just showed their whole hand, causing us to withdraw and only lose 2 ships (which only happened because I didn't wing warp us, derp derp).
The biggest problem in wormhole space is two-fold: there ARE a lot of farmers who are risk averse, but there are also a lot of big fleets running around expecting to be able to just lay it all out on the table and get fights. That's lazy tactics. Instant action has never been what EVE has been about. It's all about using strategy, thinking ahead, and developing your moment. If larger entities like Kill it With Fire or others want smaller gangs that can field 10-20 man gangs to fight them, they've got to at least pretend to have equal numbers (as opposed to leaving all 40 pilots uncloaked in their towers as we tag all of them with our scouts and go well, this is F***** lets roll it).
Svo.
[edit]: I just saw that Skyllian Verge corp name, Dire Wolf Rayet, and that is amazing. CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1025
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:50:00 -
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CeNSeR wrote:
I know for myself the first time i jumped into one i was hooked but i feel the vets are growing weary or the same **** day in day out and no new zest added to keep us interested and bring new blood in.
Damn i want that feeling back! I remember the first time is entered wormhole space and thought "this is the space game i've been looking for. Goodbye local and ****** station games".
Now there is no mystery and nothing new to see or do... So we will pew, farm and probe until CCP remember that wormhole space is/was the best space. +1 |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
208
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:56:00 -
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CeNSeR wrote:My thoughts on the last CSM meeting go like this....
CCP: Hey guy's we are introducing some new ghost sites to the eve universe.
Wormhole CSM: So how will these new sites work in wormholes?
CCP: Well ermmm well (first CCP dude turns to the other and looks for help) we are going to put some funky new blueprints in there for you guy's.
After the meeting first CCP dude turns to the other " wow dude that was close and well done for some really quick thinking there".
The problem is not the mechanics of wspace its the total lack of new content,modules and ships focusing on wormhole space. I know for myself the first time i jumped into one i was hooked but i feel the vets are growing weary or the same **** day in day out and no new zest added to keep us interested and bring new blood in.
Odyssey was a complete fail for us and when i watched the teaser for Rubi - CON on twitch i was totally disheartened, I don't think they mentioned wormholes once. I've been verbally abusing Team Superfriends for not making Siphons affect polymer reactions. As for Ghost sites, you guys really can't complain too much over them being universal rather than wspace specific. It's a far cry from Incursions, which were a rusty needle under the fingernail for people living in wspace.
That said, Chitsa and I are both of the opinion that wspace needs a radical overhaul. The lack of new content for what is a very different space has led to stagnation, and the small quality of life improvements that have been implemented have not been enough to keep pace with the rest of EVE. We need an environment overhaul. CSM 8 Representative
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Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
24
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:16:00 -
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WH space has lost the mystery. Everyone knows how to farm in the most efficient manor and then won't go back to the old days of farming and talking/posting crap in corp/fleet chat in a kitchen sink fleet with no cloak alts picketing ways in. And now new sigs just pop up it's even harder to either die or get ganks.
People now won't fight unless they know they have overwhelming odds. What's wrong with leeroying your fleet in and seeing what happens? You make the isk back in under a week if you loose your shiny T3. It's not like they're expensive these days.
Sieges are way too much of a PITA. Heck - people can't even be bothered to wait for login traps to come about any more.
There is a general malaise in WH space as everything's known. Run a profession site? Hell no, just nick the valuable bits.....
Which just makes everything a cash cow and people after isk are going to be risk averse. So the cycle continues.
Sadly this bittervet forgot to cancel his automatic subscription so I'm going to be a bitter vet for another year. Lucky me! |
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