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Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
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Posted - 2013.10.26 08:55:00 -
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I wanted to bring back the Whole Incursion whine thread.
TDF recently popped an Incursion MOM while it was in Established leaving none up to farm or run, no real reason given but speculation in local says it was because they werenGÇÖt getting enough attention.
DIN pops a Mom every time they get contested, or feel like they are going to get contested, or feel like they havenGÇÖt been on the front page of the forums recently. DIN claims its members have 300 bil in each of their individual wallets so they donGÇÖt care if thereGÇÖs an incursion up or not. They also claim they are doing it to teach ISN a lesson
ISN pops a mom when the fleet winds down mainly because they are too inconsiderate to consider the idea that anyone else would want to farm when they are not running. They claim they are doing it to improve community standards.
TVP pops a mom when they think someone else might get to it first, because who knows maybe getting in there and doing it first will stop anyone from doing it at all. Most TVP members have dreams of fat wallets and try doing it by running Incursions but lately the frequency they spawn is considerably less that the speed they get popped. They claim they are the biggest Incursion community so they get to set the standards, and pop the MOM due to popular vote.
Miscellaneous groups like WTM, WIN, ICU, Barn Flies, Misc. MILFS, and Nobody Knows US will pop the mom if they happen to get a fleet big enough, and use the GÇÿWe are just following the big guys exampleGÇÖ as the reason.
I imagine that most pilots want to be left alone to make their ISKies without the constant drama, shortened game play time and additional grief. I can also see how some leaders are trying to appear like they are forcing an agreement, but they are not actually trying to make an agreement. And I see how popping the Incursion prevents anyone from making ISK and forces them to come to a table to talk, but nobody is talking, other than smack.
So many problems and problem communities but one real fact, the FC in charge of the fleet decides to do the MOM. So that person, regardless of any mitigating factors, is the one responsible for the lack of incursions.
HereGÇÖs a simple solution, DonGÇÖt Do It. To be more dramatic donGÇÖt warp into the site, of course warp to the site, align down the gate, but when the FC calls to take the gate just sit and watch. If half the LogiGÇÖs donGÇÖt go in there will be problems, if half the DPS doesnGÇÖt go in there will be an entirely different set of problems. But either way the FC should get the message that youGÇÖre not interested in his E-Peen, and his pseudo politics. You will lose out on one payment of 60 mil, but if this was to happen I am confident there will be several other groups that would be happy to have you help them farm, probably much more ISK, much better than the alternative of watching one self-absorbed guy standing on top an unimpressive hill yelling GÇÿKing Of The MountainGÇÖ. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
454
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:39:00 -
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Here i was hoping you are proposing interesting new mechanic / change / upgrade to incursions like roaming rats sansha gate camps,sites spawning at planets / moons / asteroids for change in scenery,spill over effect in non affected systems sansha capitals running mad thru system....
Left disappointed. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
165
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:43:00 -
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sounds like Incursions are creating exact type of content CCP were hoping for to be honest. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:45:00 -
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This is one of the many many reasons I moved to null. Oh and Wtm doesn't do moms. Wtm was formed because the **** leadership of tvp. And wtm didn't want the drama. Daisy and that other fuckface from tvp are just terrible. Btw. Come play in nullsec when someone gets an Epeen you can just shoot them in the face. And send them on a pod express home. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.10.26 09:58:00 -
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Serptimis wrote:sounds like Incursions are creating exact type of content CCP were hoping for to be honest.
Yup, and I liked all the whine and the hilariousity of the different communities too. Just join the various chat-channels and have some laughs :D
Ofcourse, it was better ISK back in the old days, where everyone just farmed and agreements were present, but nowadays, it's just way more funny to just watch them.
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
552
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Posted - 2013.10.26 10:17:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Serptimis wrote:sounds like Incursions are creating exact type of content CCP were hoping for to be honest. Yup, and I liked all the whine and the hilariousity of the different communities too. Just join the various chat-channels and have some laughs :D Ofcourse, it was better ISK back in the old days, where everyone just farmed and agreements were present, but nowadays, it's just way more funny to just watch them. Yeah agreed, I still try to get in a fleet once a month or so, but I agree there is more entertainment watching the children fight over scraps in the chats and forums.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Eli Kzanti
Remanaquie Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.10.26 10:38:00 -
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Man these incursion noobs take themselves so seriously, its hilarious. Always moaning about something or other, mainly each other... good times, good tears... |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
507
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:06:00 -
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WIN Incursions and Lv6 have not once popped a MOM (at least not as a group). |
Blizzaro
Enter The Abyss. Verge of Carebearing
3
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:30:00 -
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Its a sandbox.
Get over it.
The mechanics are fine as far as I am concerned this is player content. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
552
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:10:00 -
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Rolstra wrote:I Miscellaneous groups like WTM, WIN, ICU, Barn Flies, Misc. MILFS, and Nobody Knows US will pop the mom if they happen to get a fleet big enough, and use the GÇÿWe are just following the big guys exampleGÇÖ as the reason.
Misc. MILFS, and Nobody Knows US :) LOL Good names surprised those haven't been actually used yet.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
922
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:29:00 -
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You should write a lecture about why running other peoples wormhole sites is bad also.
Also one about how ninja salvaging is killing Eve.
I'll take those just as seriously as this one, I promise. Eve is Real |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
150
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Posted - 2013.10.26 20:01:00 -
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Just stop with this whine. Hisec incursions are not the only incursions out there. No hisec incursions, then do lowsec incursions. At least then if someone comes into your site you can shoot them. |
Blizzaro
Enter The Abyss. Verge of Carebearing
3
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Posted - 2013.10.26 22:06:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:You should write a lecture about why running other peoples wormhole sites is bad also.
Also one about how ninja salvaging is killing Eve.
I'll take those just as seriously as this one, I promise.
You forgot removing local and removing afk cloaking. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14425
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:26:00 -
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Blizzaro wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:You should write a lecture about why running other peoples wormhole sites is bad also.
Also one about how ninja salvaging is killing Eve.
I'll take those just as seriously as this one, I promise. You forgot removing local and removing afk cloaking. Also forgot to add Mission Invasion, barging in on someone else in exploration sites, Miner Bumping and Permit extortion, Null Sec rental fee, etc.
The list goes on and on.
DMC |
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
16
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:34:00 -
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Ok, so I got carried away with the long winded OP.
My point was obviously lost in there so for the ADD among us hereGÇÖs the brief version;
If you are angry about there being no Incursions up then donGÇÖt do the MOM. It seems like a really simple solution that no one grasps.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
150
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Posted - 2013.10.27 01:20:00 -
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You're asuming that they can't find pilots willing to do it. Most MOM fleets usually have crapton of people who don't get into fleet. So even if people elect not to do it, someone else will. If the MOM is going to do down whether or not you are in the fleet, then you mine as well be in the fleet. |
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
16
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Posted - 2013.10.27 01:40:00 -
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No I get that too, I guess what got me started was every time the MOM goes down it's the same 20 or 30 people in local/group chats bitching about it, but if they were in the fleet that did the deed the 20 or 30 people bitching are the ones that were in yesterdays MOM fleet.
I know it's a game, but sometimes the juvenile behaviour gets the best of me. |
Joe Stalker
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.27 02:23:00 -
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Increasing the amount of sites spawned in a HQ system by 4 or 5 sites would be a start, also fix that ******* split AS site |
Samuel Sachs
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Posted - 2013.10.27 04:32:00 -
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I cant hold on me when i read all this bullshit...
CCP please remove the Kundalini Manifest or the complete incursion content from HS.
After that we all have nothing to whine...
But i think CCP will not do this, many guys talking about sandbox and forget at the moment this is more harrassment for all players with the actual drama, they want fly incursion in HS.
Nobody is intrested as an HS Incursion Pilot to do Incursions in LS or 0.0, but TVP is going to a LS incursion and they was attaced by a Black Legion fleet and they loose the half of her Fleet
Guys in many ways are angry about the closing drama from HS incursions but hey, this is user generated content and nobody want this, but wait, why is no incursion in HS up and after one is new spawned, a fleet is forming up to play the penalty bar blue and closing the kundalini as fast as he can ?
I dont know but this is in hands from PILOTES and all pilotes they said nothing doing it wrong, remember its a sandbox and the leadership from the HS coms are the guys they close and this is wrong wrong and wrong, guys tell the FC "no dude, i dont wanna close this HS incursion" get the **** out of fleet or stay in there and do nothing but if you follow only the words from a leadership or an FC you doing it wrong...
Sandbox lives from players and you guys are the ones they can organize a STOP closing content but ORGANIZE this and dont whine! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
924
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Posted - 2013.10.27 06:44:00 -
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OP, I did get your point and my reply was sarcastic, but the bottom line can be boiled down to a very important rule that's not exclusive to Eve at all;
Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
If the only way you can make money, or if the best way you can make money is ONLY flying incursions, you have created a very one dimensional character. It's not harassment if they pop the Mom. I used to think it was until I realized how much money I was passing up by flying incursions in the first place. Eve is Real |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
552
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:09:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:OP, I did get your point and my reply was sarcastic, but the bottom line can be boiled down to a very important rule that's not exclusive to Eve at all;
Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
If the only way you can make money, or if the best way you can make money is ONLY flying incursions, you have created a very one dimensional character. It's not harassment if they pop the Mom. I used to think it was until I realized how much money I was passing up by flying incursions in the first place. This times 1000,
Invest a few days of Incursion income in the market, you might find it interesting if not always profitable. Add 6 planets worth of PI to your toon, not always profitable but certainly a brain exercise. Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc. Drop a POS when you get standings, To make some invention BP's (Ammo, T2 ships, T2 modules, ect.) Run the individual Cosmos chains (not all at once it will tank the standings of others if not done concurrently). Incursions is not the only PVE in EVE the list goes on and on.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
590
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Posted - 2013.10.27 08:05:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc.
Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!) |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
552
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Posted - 2013.10.27 08:16:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:Goldiiee wrote:[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc. Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!) Actually if I really think about how much PVE content there is in Eve compared to the PVP content the list is extremely one sided. And of course die-hard PVP'ers say 'Eve is a PVP game' but realistically by comparison of content it's a 'PVE game that you can PVP in.'
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1051
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:51:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:Goldiiee wrote:[quote=Cipher Jones]Run missions for the 4 Arc Entry corps ( Expert Distribution, Brutor, Ministry of Internal order, Impetus) Standing of 5.0 opens each Arc. Don't forget the two pirate arcs, and the low sec branches of some of the arcs where you can side with the pirates (do the Amar arc and side with Sansha for a change!) Actually if I really think about how much PVE content there is in Eve compared to the PVP content the list is extremely one sided. And of course die-hard PVP'ers say 'Eve is a PVP game' but realistically by comparison of content it's a 'PVE game that you can PVP in.'
The only part of the game that's not PvP is the login phase, and even then it can be PvP if you have a keylogger in your computer. The Tears Must Flow |
GreenSeed
720
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:19:00 -
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this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.
problem fixed. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
925
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:50:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.
problem fixed.
0/10 Eve is Real |
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
16
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Posted - 2013.10.28 06:26:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:this is eve, problems between players are supposed to be solved with pew pew... just make incursion deadspace have no highsec rules.
problem fixed. Yep that's right up there with the Features and Ideals submission
Quote: A module that when fitted permanently sets Safety green and when activated make your structure have 100% resists to Non-NPC damage. |
Ronix Aideron
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
112
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:47:00 -
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As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.
Take those same chat channels and try to form a LS Incursion fleet. It takes forever and the whole time they will complain about the lack of Incursion money. Yes, you can't take your shiney ships into LS but, you can run them in T1 ships just fine.
The Low Sec Incursions pay more. So if they take a little bit longer (more than 6 mins) then you are about even in a ship that costs less than some of the officer mods they already fly with.
P.S. - Some people need to go read the book Who Moved My Cheese. Start the day off slow and taper off from there.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
926
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:06:00 -
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Quote:As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.
Only risk averse carebears run HS incursions, so clearly they are the only ones whining. You can drink milk without drinking chocklate milk, but you can't drink choclate milk without drinking milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bHLdYVELWrQ
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3202
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Posted - 2013.10.28 15:30:00 -
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Ronix Aideron wrote:As a part-time Incursion runner I find this drama funny. So the HS MOM is popped shortly after it is spawned, only the risk adverse care bears are the ones whining.
Take those same chat channels and try to form a LS Incursion fleet. It takes forever and the whole time they will complain about the lack of Incursion money. Yes, you can't take your shiney ships into LS but, you can run them in T1 ships just fine.
The Low Sec Incursions pay more. So if they take a little bit longer (more than 6 mins) then you are about even in a ship that costs less than some of the officer mods they already fly with.
P.S. - Some people need to go read the book Who Moved My Cheese.
Well said.
For some people NO risk of loss acceptable. I remember a couple weeks ago the only high sec incursion involved a single jump through a low sec system and damn near no one went to it to run it. I went there just incase one of the communities I fly with was going to run it. I fit a cloak, mwd , inertia stab and some warp core stabs to my mach.....and didn't need them because the low sec system was totally empty lol.
I did manage a few VGs with a pick up group (even FC'd a few sites as the guy FCing over eve-voice had to go afk for a few minutes), but that was iT and with high influence it wasn't really worth it.
The aversion to risks in this game is insane. It's just a game. |
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