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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:59:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Just a question for all you 'Hurr time limits on the mothership' crowd:
If an incursion spawns on an important JB or cyno route in Nullsec, why, exactly, should it be impossible to clear quickly?
if a group want to roleplay as good guys saving all the people from the sansha, why shouldn't they be able to do it?
And finally, WHY should you be able to farm sites for silly amounts of ISK without even a single hint of risk? How about we simplify this, any ship taking damage is at Risk, so no ship in an incursion site is ''without even a single hint of risk?'' But NPCs aren't any real risk to anyone remotely competent. Thus. there is no external risk in highsec incursions, and the only hint of danger comes from a pilot's own incompetence... Isn't that true of any ship and pilot in EVE? So by that logic Frigs regardless of whether it is piloted by an AI or a sweaty teenager should be no problem for a well prepared and trained BC pilot. It's simply not true.
I don't want to beat each other over the head with semantics, Incursions are not Zero risk, changing the mechanics for a timed delayed spawn to appease the instant gratification sector is a bad Idea. If the Mom spawns there should be nothing but a willing fleet to delay it's death. And there is already so many aspects of EVE that is 100% risk free, that saying Incursions should not be 'risk free' is simply trolling for a bite.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:00:00 -
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Gant is the Drip tray in the corner of a beer garden on a summers day |
Blizzaro
Enter The Abyss. Verge of Carebearing
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:02:00 -
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Nomatech wrote: CCP has responded to the 'resource constraint' of the single SOE L4 mission agent by adding 2 more, so I don't think it unreasonable to suggest that CCP look into responding to what could be branded as a 'resource constraint' of HQ sites for the daily activity we see today.
I believe this was due to large amounts of Tidi in Osmon and that system having to have been put on the reinforced node, the additional agents were added to spread the server load.
While we sometimes get TIDI in incursion systems it is usually only when Charadrass undocks.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:08:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:12:00 -
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Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:21:00 -
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+1
My 5 month old alt can run incursions, they are stupidly easy and i make so much isk that null sec is pointless. Nerf/ bring them into line CCP. |
Blizzaro
Enter The Abyss. Verge of Carebearing
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:38:00 -
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Black Canary Jnr wrote:+1
My 5 month old alt can run incursions, they are stupidly easy and i make so much isk that null sec is pointless. Nerf/ bring them into line CCP.
Incursions should move after like 500 sites have been run, farming them for a week is a joke and a major source for the isk printing. Sites should last the current time or until they are run, then they move to the next location, which could be in hi/ low/ null. No more hisec 'static' incursion printing machines.
Can a fleet of 40 5 month old toons complete sites in a competitive time?
I am guessing the experienced players you flew with helped a little? |
Faye Nahkriin
Astral Wings
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:52:00 -
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OP totally brings forward the current problems and gives a very lovely suggestion for a solution to it. I totally support it! =) |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
743
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:03:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Just a question for all you 'Hurr time limits on the mothership' crowd:
If an incursion spawns on an important JB or cyno route in Nullsec, why, exactly, should it be impossible to clear quickly?
if a group want to roleplay as good guys saving all the people from the sansha, why shouldn't they be able to do it?
And finally, WHY should you be able to farm sites for silly amounts of ISK without even a single hint of risk? How about we simplify this, any ship taking damage is at Risk, so no ship in an incursion site is ''without even a single hint of risk?'' But NPCs aren't any real risk to anyone remotely competent. Thus. there is no external risk in highsec incursions, and the only hint of danger comes from a pilot's own incompetence...
Whatever the hell is the requirement to setup a jump bridge can also trigger a reduction in Kundalini spawn time so you can pop it fast. I mean it's not like those change are aimed toward making null-sec life more painful anyway. It's another problem (some people don;t see it as a problem I guess...) so you can arrange for any change to not affect other field of the game (as long as it's planned correctly). Hell you could make the spawning mechanics only be in place in high sec thus leaving the null ones completely unchanged from what they are now. |
KanashiiKami
105
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:13:00 -
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a very old post i said about changes to incursions ... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=781833#post781833
in summary 1) rework sizes for max number of pilots in a fleet VG - 8, AS - 14, HQ - 28, MOM- 50
2) XX scratch that XX
3) maybe CCP should consider. 5% overall reduced damage for all sites, but add in 5% more enemy ships.
4) yes introduce smartbomb armed sansha cruiser with Vylade type resilience. 1 per VG, 2 per AS, 3 per HQ, 4 per MOM. increase MARA repping capability by 200%.
5) increase sansha enemy booster capability. VG - +80% shield HP, AS - +60% shield HP, HQ - +40% shield HP, MOM- +20% shield HP. booster cruiser gets extra 100% shield HP. booster also supplies extra 50% shield omni resistances. this means there is now a definite kill order in most sites. booster --> logi --> dps
6) upping the above, rewards are expected to be increased. estimated time required for each site could go up by 50%. and rewards should go up a general 50% across the board incl LP.
7) configuration of a incursion cluster. each incursion spawn should now be spanning 3 adjoining constellations, with a total of up to 20 HQ gates, up to 35 AS gates, up to 99 VG gates. 2xMOM fleet will spawn in 2 systems at random within the 3 constellations and ... they spawn on top of a system NPC station (no longer spawn in warp gate type of spawn). HQ and AS gates spawn randomly in certain concentrate cluster of systems, VG gates spawn in a ring of systems all around this central cluster.
instead of multiple spawns, there is now only 1 hisec site, 1 losec, 1 nullsec. in any of the spawn, 30 random VG gates will appear and must be destroyed to spawn 20 AS random gates, and all 20 must be destroyed to spawn a random 10 HQ sites. every 2 site destroyed will trigger a spawn of 3 more of the same kind of site (up to its limit per cluster, eg max 99 VG gates). once all 10 HQ gates have been cleared, 2 random NPC stations will be set upon by 2 MOM fleets 1500km off the station. a fast scout will be reqd to do a warp to in order to engage a take down. both MOM must be removed to completely clear incursion cluster (the MOM fleet have a engagement radius of 600km, can be viciously preloaded, and drawn to the station to attack it, cmon ccp, i do miss live sansha event)
after deployment of 2x MOM, if they are not removed in 9 days, all 3 constellations will be over-run by sansha, ie ... all system gates recieve free sansha VG sized gate camps (OTA style) for entire play duration ending at next DT, all these gate camp sansha party carry null level bounty. on this 10th day if MOM is still not removed, LP will be forfeited.
some players (pro gankers) suggests they have the right to AID sansha ... if they like this so much ... i suggest ccp introduce a player anchorable sansha battle station that proclaim a system a sansha system. like a null claim beacon, pirate players (negative standing to current empire location) buy this from a roaming neutral sansha transport ship moving all over the 3 constellations, @ 4000m3, they anchor this station off the SUN warp in point, and the beacon will draw a pesky bonus MOM sized sansha fleet and 5 scouting fleets OTA sized that will move all over the system warpable structures (stations, moons, planets, etc) to attack and cyno in the main MOM fleet to attack any player uncloaked in system except the anchoring corp (the transport trader can only trade with a player with a corp wallet, costs of activating this bonus live feature fleet is 250m isk for a beacon). the bonus MOM fleet carries null level bounties but the main carrier does not drop the usual high level MOM drops like carrier bpc. by activating such a beacon, the beacon will stay in service until player destroyed or for the next 7days until DT, the beacon renders extra 50% shield HP and 5% damage to all sansha ship within same system. each incursion cluster can only carry 1 such bonus MOM. when this beacon is anchored, the influence bar will turn 100% orange.
hows the above mechanics for extra excitement and mayhem in incursions? WUT ??? |
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Essendy
Essendy Corporationecs
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:46:00 -
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+1 |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
591
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:27:00 -
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Most suggestions in this thread are bad, some are ok, but unnecessary.
#1) If people would stop flying with a certain community that starts with a "D", things would be fine.
#2) I don't mind the Mom being popped, sometimes its better that I'm forced to stop the grind.
#3) Mechanics are already in place.....
Suppose you see someone forming a mom fleet. Currently people do: * Form one and kill it faster, so at least you win the site * Go in, lay down a lot of DPS, then clear scrams and warp off, so if the other group does go in, you can come back and still win (of course, 99% of the time this plan leads to the other group coming to kill the mom immediately, as they can't tell what your plan is) * Do nothing, but complain in local afterwards * Get people on as many gates as possible so you can run sites a bit longer.
Another option: Reship to Tornados, alpha the FC of the fleet, alpha as many ships as you can.
To those saying its risk free: Then why do people routinely die to rats? Is there some mechanic that blocks suicide ganks? no? so then you take a risk by flying a shiny fit to get that ISK/hr. And yes, people do get ganked, I recently remember a Tornado fleet operating in the HQ system, and it got a few kills (and one of our fleet members, with full boosts - shield and armor - overheating hardeners, survived with 11% structure)
To the "end game-drake" argument - You can do fleets in drakes, but a drake fleet would have an abysmal ISK/hour, and it would lose every contest. I don't see it as an issue. |
BugraT WarheaD
67
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:49:00 -
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+1 to OP But i must admit that there's also a lack of sites, like in WH. there so few diffferent sites...
and ...
99 Post Sanshas on gates in High sec with fast lock and reinforcement every x minutes, vith LP to gain for fleet that are keeping the peace on gate for other players ... |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2752
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Posted - 2013.10.29 18:07:00 -
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A few points:
a.) Truth be told I'm very hesitant to support opening the highsec incursion resource faucet. The incursion community is smart enough counter NPC's, meaning these are essentially low-risk faucets. If you want the faucet opened wider, it MUST come with more risk.
b.) The SOE bottleneck is nothing like the incursion bottleneck. A LvL 4 missions pay out much less than incursions, and most of those mission runners would be running missions anyway. SOE is currently a target purely based on speculation of incoming SOE ships, which will be an isk SINK.
c.) Instead of a mechanics change to slow the reduction of the blue bar & mothership spawn; howabout you create a means for players to interfere. Make it so players can "increase" the bar somehow. For example: have an Anti-Concord sites that allows you to enhance the incursion hold on an area. Have it give out Sansha LP (which would have been the perfect tool to acquire mobile cyno jammers). Increase the Bar enough, and the mothership despawns....
d.) Ultimately, this game thrives on conflict. There is conflict within the incursion community, and that means CCP has a decent design. Incursion communities now simply need to utilize ingame means to resolve the conflict (suicide ganking, wardecs, etc). While peace may be found, it should always remain fragile, and it should be up to the players to uphold it! Work it out, fight it out, but don't whine at CCP to make it for you! |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
591
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:35:00 -
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War decs don't work, but I see no reason we can't have a policy whereby when our waitlist gets longer than 10 people, our waitlist people get in Tornadoes, and sit on the Kundalini gate as a deterrant - and if necessary, gank Shiny BSs if a fleet shows up.
The fleet that keeps running can pay for the ship losses, and its easy enough to have an alt if they're worried about sec status. |
KanashiiKami
105
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:45:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: A few points:
a.) Truth be told I'm very hesitant to support opening the highsec incursion resource faucet. The incursion community is smart enough counter NPC's, meaning these are essentially low-risk faucets. If you want the faucet opened wider, it MUST come with more risk.
b.) The SOE bottleneck is nothing like the incursion bottleneck. A LvL 4 missions pay out much less than incursions, and most of those mission runners would be running missions anyway. SOE is currently a target purely based on speculation of incoming SOE ships, which will be an isk SINK.
c.) Instead of a mechanics change to slow the reduction of the blue bar & mothership spawn; howabout you create a means for players to interfere. Make it so players can "increase" the bar somehow. For example: have an Anti-Concord sites that allows you to enhance the incursion hold on an area. Have it give out Sansha LP (which would have been the perfect tool to acquire mobile cyno jammers). Increase the Bar enough, and the mothership despawns....
d.) Ultimately, this game thrives on conflict. There is conflict within the incursion community, and that means CCP has a decent design. Incursion communities now simply need to utilize ingame means to resolve the conflict (suicide ganking, wardecs, etc). While peace may be found, it should always remain fragile, and it should be up to the players to uphold it! Work it out, fight it out, but don't whine at CCP to make it for you!
i think GTA5 is a good example of mayhem and conflict game. but id like ccp to give us more game content ... more new ships .... more variants in ships WUT ??? |
Kurrius Azizora
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 12:56:00 -
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+1 to OP |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2013.10.31 14:37:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
c.) Instead of a mechanics change to slow the reduction of the blue bar & mothership spawn; howabout you create a means for players to interfere. Make it so players can "increase" the bar somehow. For example: have an Anti-Concord sites that allows you to enhance the incursion hold on an area. Have it give out Sansha LP (which would have been the perfect tool to acquire mobile cyno jammers). Increase the Bar enough, and the mothership despawns....
and spawn a CONCORD mother so that interfering pilots can win.
suspect timers for peeps in a sansha or concord mother site so that players can be involved in the defence of a mother....oh if only.
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
274
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Posted - 2013.10.31 15:49:00 -
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The last thing that needs to happen is for ccp to open the isk faucet further and exacerbate inflation.
If there is heavy competition for incursion site. So be it. If anything incursions in hisec should get hammered with another round of nerfs. With the amounts of money involved by running incursions the risk should be far higher. Right now its just a mindless grind flooding the economy with easy isk.
The lowsec and null incursions don't get touched because the risk doesn't equal the reward.
Incursions should get expanded to cover other pirate factions. Hisec areas under pirate invasion become 0.0 lawless areas where people can fight without worrying about concord intervention in those conflicts. Farming them for weeks on end should become a thing of the past. The idea should be to crush the incursion as quickly as possible and the quickest way to contest a zone should be to.kill the competition.
The incursion community has gotten lazy, complacent, and arrogant to demand that ccp change the game to reduce competition for a resource worth fighting over. |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
593
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:44:00 -
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You'll see many posts here that show the incursion community is not unified, and many are ok with the current state.
I still think reshipping to Tornadoes and sitting on the Kundalini gate is the way to go..... |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:51:00 -
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I guess this comment just rubs me wrong, GÇÿthe risk doesn't equal the rewardGÇÖ. Yesterday I saw three ship lost in one site for a total of 4 to 9 billion ISK. I know in some groups there is an expectation of losing one ship a day/shift (More if last night was an example). Other groups lose one ship every 3 months or so, but when they do it is usually up to 10 billion. A rough look at losses by system shows me about 20 billion lost per constellation/per day for last month, a rough total of 600bilion.
So the GÇÿIncursions are no riskGÇÖ crowd can only be trolling for a bite, or have completely lost the plot, perhaps their Kill-board is littered with 5 billion ISK cruisers they lose every night to unnamed players.
The low/Nul sec ratters that spend their days scavenging Pith-A and Gist-X modules that used to sit on the market till some Super/Titan pilot bought it 3 months later are happy they have a more reliable customer base. The Nul/Low campers and pirates are happy they have explorers to gank. The market Gurus are happy they have ISK to invest. The Incursion runners are happy they can afford to lose the occasional 5 billion ISK ship and be able to replace it.
But there always seems to be an economics dropout that is convinced Incursion ISK has ruined the game and is the root cause of global warming.
Roll the dice, get in fleet, hope the Logi doesnGÇÖt make a mistake, or you miss a broadcast, or the FC turns out to be setting up for a logi trap (There are no logis) with your 5 to 8 billion ISK ship. I donGÇÖt see anything but risk, and then some genius thinks itGÇÖs a good idea to add Low sec to that formula, well thatGÇÖs not risk, itGÇÖs just stupid.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:18:00 -
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marVLs wrote:I just want more incursion version, like Angel, Guristas and some for gallente side. So instead of multi sansha incursions there will be one of every kind in the same time.
This! Recommend OP update original post to include!
+1 for great ideas. Supported. |
Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun
4
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:43:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Something someone said about sansha rats killing their destroyer reminded me...
Sansha rats in belts don't give LP, ISK or anything at all. Why is that a good idea?
They do, it's just not very much.
Before I had ever run an incursion, I made the mistake of trying to mine in a system under Incursion. I got my Mackinaw out, flew back in a Harbinger, and blew up the belt rats out of spite.
When the Incursion closed, I got 50 LP from CONCORD for doing my part to drive back the Sansha menace. |
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