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RJ Severasse
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:21:00 -
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I'm try to make money to fund any pvp I'll do through mining, but nearly all the asteroid belts I've been to are completely empty. Why is that? Where should I go to find any? |
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises Care Factor
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:23:00 -
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I'm betting you're looking in systems that are or are very near starting systems. If that's the case try getting a few jumps out. There are some areas though that are just higher traffic and see a lot more mining. If that's the case then you just need to keep looking. |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:27:00 -
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Anywhere away from a) the main trade hubs (Jita, Amarr, Rens, Hek and Dodixie) and b) Away from all the starter systems (Such as Jouvulen).
When I say away from I dont mean a jump or two, I mean several jumps. There's a few systems up in Minmatar space I know are quiet whenever I fly though them. Some have a fair few roid belts in them like the 0.5 system beginning with 'O' next to the Anstard system.
Then you have your other option. To leave Hisec and go out into Lowsec and Null.
And mining isn't great for ISK making from what I hear (not that I do it), unless its coupled with manufacturing... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
RJ Severasse
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:44:00 -
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Thanks for the help! I'm near the gallente starting area, which might explain it. I'm planning on leaving hi sec and stop mining (you're right, theres not a whole lot of money in it), but this whole game seems a bit intimidating and complicated, at least to a new player like me. :P |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:01:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, people can (and do) make ISK from mining, but they do it usually with other skills like Manufacturing and PI. (and usually more than one account)
As you stated that you wanted to do it as a side project to fund PvP, I guessed you wouldn't want the Skill Time sink that it takes to be effective...
You could always try running DED combat sites (as you already are training combat skills) and make ISK from the bounties and the DED space loot (its how I've made my ISK so far). People say exploration is crap for making money, but for a new player, getting between 40mill and 400mill (item drop depending) for a 20 minute DED4 site (not including bounties for killing ships or looting and salvaging) is pretty good. If you where to get 5 or 6 DED4's in a week (bare in mind not all drop items) then you've made a fair bit of ISK. (Lowsec DED's are more fruitful, but you will need a group as a new player and they're also more dangerous (for obvious reasons)).
Or.
You could always try FW (I don't know much about it but I hear it's a mixture if both PvP and ISK making). Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners Brainfarts
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Posted - 2013.10.28 10:57:00 -
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If you are dead set on mining for ISK then you could try running missions, bookmarking the ones with asteroids in and mining those BEFORE handing the mission in?
This also has the added bonus that you are less likely to get suicide ganked as many gankers won't bother to probe down mining vessels outside of the belts.
Another option is to join a corp and run missions in a group, many mission runners don't bother salvaging and the isk made from salvage can soon add up.
Hope this helps! My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:55:00 -
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You can find some possible mining locations at this site
afaik Scordite is probably still the goto hisec ore for mining. |
Inignort Err
SchmeckTel Group
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:22:00 -
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A lot of new pilots don't take advantage of their in game map. The filters allow you to track everything from number of pilots in system, to number of jumps per hour to number of ship and pod kills. Look at this map for a few days to trend where the activity is and then consider getting away from the masses. There are parts of highsec and lowsec that are (for lack of a better term) mostly empty.
Once you narrow down a region look at Dotlan to see what the mining possibilities are.
Finally, go through the Crime and Punishment forum and look for posts related to who is ganking and where. The kids in the New Order enjoy bragging about their exploits so don't setup shop where they are advertising their miner ganks. You'll still die at some point but this will minimize pain until you can get your skills mad enough to return fire. EVE = Formula One -á* -áSWTOR = Indy Car -á* WOW = NASCAR DUCY? |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:51:00 -
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If you want to make cash for PvP then do it by fighting if at all possible. Fighting computer controlled red crosses will use some of the same skills you will be needing for PvP as well as helping you learn a few basic tactics you can transfer to PvP. That's not to say mission running and PvP will be in the same ballpark or even within sight of each other so to speak, but mission skills tend to transfer elsewhere much easier than rock biting skills.
If you'd like a leg up into some kind of combat related career get in touch. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:57:00 -
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I was born Caldari, but I grew-up in Amarr space, where I found plenty to mine. |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:10:00 -
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Making isk to pvp //// Mining
The two are at odds with each other. If you want to mine you have to train non-pvp-related skills (as in, will never help you outside of mining) taking time away from your pvp training. On top of that, the isk required for this training and the hardware required to mine with any efficiency will further eat into your pvp allowance. It's the closest thing to wow's grind in eve (grind to get next-best thing so you can grind slightly better to get slightly better next-best thing).
If you take some of the other advice in this thread to do say, exploration, you'll find that not only do the ingame skills and purchases line up with each other, but the game skills you will learn playing will also be similar. Game skills you can't train with SP, only with time invested in the game. I can't think of a better non-pvp way to train those skills as a newbie than lowsec exploration. Maybe FW. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:28:00 -
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RJ Severasse wrote:I'm try to make money to fund any pvp I'll do through mining, but nearly all the asteroid belts I've been to are completely empty. Why is that? Where should I go to find any?
As you have all ready learned in this game asteroids are not infinite. But belts go throw re-spawn cycles to ensure there's stuff to be mined. This usually occurs at daily downtime. Then its just getting there before serious belt miners with their fleets.
I would say look further away from often beaten path for belts to be mined. Near trade hub and close to galactic hub to hub trade routes are often mined out efficiently. We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:20:00 -
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If you do get into mining (which I advise against), read up on www.minerbumping.com , the premier site for miner gankers. You'll learn a lot about our tactics, and our requirements for you to be left alone (permit fees, not being AFK, bio notes, etc).
Alternately, my suggestion is this. PVE just until you feel you have a good feel for the controls of the game and you can destroy NPC battleships while flying a fairly cheap ship yourself. Then, start looking for trouble wherever you can. If you do lose ships or your security status gets so low you are expelled from highsec, go hunt NPC battleships until you are able to get back to the troublemaking. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:12:00 -
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It can get frustrating, but grinding level 4 security missions pays pretty well, especially if you pick-up the loot and salvage. The advantage over mining is that you are mostly using the same skill points you use for PvP. Most people mission with battleship, but don't PvP with them, so those skill points are somewhat wasted, but everything else counts. You can also mission pretty well with a HAC or Tech 3, which will more favor PvP skills. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:06:00 -
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BobFenner wrote:If you are dead set on mining for ISK then you could try running missions, bookmarking the ones with asteroids in and mining those BEFORE handing the mission in?
This also has the added bonus that you are less likely to get suicide ganked as many gankers won't bother to probe down mining vessels outside of the belts.
Another option is to join a corp and run missions in a group, many mission runners don't bother salvaging and the isk made from salvage can soon add up.
Hope this helps!
Or just run mining missions. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.31 03:53:00 -
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When i do break out my orca and hulks late US timezone there are still plenty of belts left, the secret is to get far away from the trade hubs and mission hubs. Grab a frigate and go scouting, also.. avoid systems close to lowsec. It never stops surprising me why people take out untaked hulks one jump from our home In avenod.. you are asking for some catalysts in your face.
Khanid space, amarr space.. huge and empty.. so very very empty. The systems I have my hulks in at the moment usually have 1 or 2 people in local when it is busy.. and this is highsec. Sure i have to haul the product a bit, but .. meh that is a small price to pay and made very trivial really with the aid of freighters or just using red frog freight. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
697
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Posted - 2013.10.31 15:25:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote: the secret is to get far away from the trade hubs and mission hubs. Grab a frigate and go scouting, also.. avoid systems close to lowsec.
This is really the secret behind finding rich belts.
But note that "far away" doesn't always mean far in number of jumps, people tend to be lazy and forget about region changes.
Last time I moved our mining base I found a new system with low population, low transit numbers and still just a few jumps away from a main trade hub. But a cross region gate between the systems.
The optimal mining system is a .5, with a good refining station and single gate (no transit traffic).
But finding one that isn't already inhabited by an active mining corp might be hard.
The solution is as Lady Naween pointed out to grab a frigate and go scouting.
Load up dotlan maps in your browser, plop a survey scanner on your boat, grab a six-pack (can be skipped but makes your travels less boring) and go exploring.
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