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Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:16:00 -
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1st post here so please dont go too hard on me!
Im a new eve player (around 2 weeks) and while i level up skills i decided to do the most lucrative activity that required little SP investment.....station trading!!
As such i googled for useful tools, read a lot of post, started making spreadsheets and one the tools i used the most until now decided today to go down - goonmetrics!!
As i know very little of the game and only a bit of the goons reputation, i dont know if this is a temporary outage or if they decided to make it so goons only can use it which is why i come to ask what alternatives there are.
Iv googled a lot of market scanners so far and although i found some with customization, but too much in fact (i would have to introduce the ID's of items 1 by one or item names one by one, and most dont even allow this.
I was wondering if there is anything that allows me to scan in the same way goonmetrics did (for example i just want turrets, or just skillbooks)
Anyways thanks for the help and hope you have a nice day! |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2061
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:34:00 -
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The outage is temporary and it should be back pretty soon, fyi. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:47:00 -
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WoW xD thanks mynnna for the update (no joke i realy got scared)
(im impressed that the Goon CSM member himself would answear)
still wonder why everyone thinks you are the bad guys since you have made a number of awesome tools available to all eve players - and thanks for that btw!!
Maybe ill even try to join you guys now that i know you are just a pain in the ass in the game and not outside of it! (and as such use the rest of goonmetrics capabilities!!)
again thank you a lot and .. . . .. thread closed i guess xD
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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:24:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:
still wonder why everyone thinks you are the bad guys since you have made a number of awesome tools available to all eve players
Because you are new to the game
Goons like (really like) to take things away from other eve players as well. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:18:00 -
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and the problem exactly is??? i mean i though people came to eve because of that!!
at least i did xD |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:36:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:and the problem exactly is??? i mean i though people came to eve because of that!! at least i did xD
There is absolutely no problem being the bad guys. But they have a reputation for being the bad guys precisely because they have cultivated that reputation in the game. They are pretty decent chaps (most of the time) on their home forum. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:41:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:WoW xD thanks mynnna for the update (no joke i realy got scared) (im impressed that the Goon CSM member himself would answear ) still wonder why everyone thinks you are the bad guys since you have made a number of awesome tools available to all eve players - and thanks for that btw!!
First off mynna has been MD for quite some time so even as a CSM he still hangs around here.Usually even when people are part of the CSM they like to hang around on the same forumspots as they did before is my believe.After all they too need to
And people think goons are the bad guys basically because they got a verry large mouth on the forums , like to make all sorts of tasteless links/text in local and basically like to behave like a 12 year old bully.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:43:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote:and the problem exactly is??? i mean i though people came to eve because of that!! at least i did xD There is absolutely no problem being the bad guys. But they have a reputation for being the bad guys precisely because they have cultivated that reputation in the game. They are pretty decent chaps (most of the time) on their home forum.
Same in fleets and on comms they're nice guys mostly and a good sense of humor , out public though they are ******* annoying most of the time .
Think i should feel myself blessed that i encounter them more in fleets and on comms then
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:09:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote:and the problem exactly is??? i mean i though people came to eve because of that!! at least i did xD There is absolutely no problem being the bad guys. But they have a reputation for being the bad guys precisely because they have cultivated that reputation in the game. They are pretty decent chaps (most of the time) on their home forum.
well i always had the idea that everyone is eve IS the bad guy so it seems that its just more or less they are the most successfull bad guys
gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:26:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:30:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself.
This is a well-known, efficient and reputable service. You will be amazed by the professionalism involved in the whole operation.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 22:28:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself.
joining fee? this is exactly what iv heard about people paying and then no accept (scams). I need to research if this is actually a thing because a lot of people have been scammed this way
How would one know they are not being tricked? I mean if there is a thing goons have a reputation for is for scamming poor newbies like me
Plus i think you Bio says egnough RAW |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:00:00 -
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Goons are generally smart enough to know that (very) new players have nothing worth stealing.
There are, however, some exceptions. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Pragda
Twenty Questions Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:43:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself. joining fee? this is exactly what iv heard about people paying and then no accept (scams). I need to research if this is actually a thing because a lot of people have been scammed this way How would one know they are not being tricked? I mean if there is a thing goons have a reputation for is for scamming poor newbies like me Plus i think you Bio says egnough RAW
The only way to really the Goons would be joining a sub corp of the Alliance, or if you want to join the corp Goonwaffe you need to be a member of the Something Awful forums (costs like $10 to join) and you must follow their rules precisely or you could lose the account you just payed for. Heres a link with some information https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe.
Unless you are following the steps with Something Awful and their wiki, do not believe anyone else saying they can let you join if you pay, it is always a scam. |
Pragda
Twenty Questions Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:53:00 -
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Read this too https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64822 |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:02:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:Plus i think you Bio says egnough RAW
Huh? My bio has a quote from someone who got annoyed with me not being a scammer and claimed that I was not scamming in order to take advantage of people. I thought that was pretty funny, especially the way he put it (he had a nice turn of phrase). If you think that it actually means I'm a scammer then you should hang around MD a bit longer
As to taking my post seriously, it was meant to be obviously inaccurate for the purposes of (obviously misplaced) humour. Since you said you were aware of the goons' reputation for recruitment scams I didn't think you would take my recommendation of their most well known scams seriously. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2067
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:54:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself.
You know the funny thing is we do legitimately rent space now and there is a CFC run jump freighter service offering legitimate service to said renters.
****'s ****ing weird these days, let me tell ya. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1523
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:21:00 -
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mynnna wrote:RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself. You know the funny thing is we do legitimately rent space now and there is a CFC run jump freighter service offering legitimate service to said renters. ****'s ****ing weird these days, let me tell ya. hm, now that i think of it, are goons allowed to scam PBLRD? as in: 'you have proven yourself competent enough to join GS, please contract us your stuff for freighter service'?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1549
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:29:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:hm, now that i think of it, are goons allowed to scam PBLRD? as in: 'you have proven yourself competent enough to join GS, please contract us your stuff for freighter service'? It's treated just like scamming any other blue entity.
(i.e. a swift kick in the balls followed by a swift kick from the alliance.) |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.10.29 04:16:00 -
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mynnna wrote:****'s ****ing weird these days, let me tell ya.
Profit in legitimate business recognized by goons?
Snowballs are running free in hell. Cats and dogs living together. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4469
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:49:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:WoW xD thanks mynnna for the update (no joke i realy got scared) (im impressed that the Goon CSM member himself would answear ) still wonder why everyone thinks you are the bad guys since you have made a number of awesome tools available to all eve players - and thanks for that btw!!
They play for fun and not for roleplaying (this is what they say on the SC forum) yet in EvE they roleplay the bad guys.
In truth, they are not necessarily bad, just "differently good" and have their own mindset, culture and so on.
I don't exactly understand them well enough, nor understand why they try appearing the "bad guys", I suppose that creates a group identity and helps at promoting common intents.
The end result (still reporting what they say on SC, might be different in EvE) is that they are "just" trying to win the game, like others did in more "classic" ways before them.
While doing their stuff (winning the game) they have a lively community that includes good developers, some of them release their software for everyone, others follow Google's strategy of making public what it's now a legacy for them and still keep the technology advantage intact.
Khallena Todako wrote: Maybe ill even try to join you guys now that i know you are just a pain in the ass in the game and not outside of it! (and as such use the rest of goonmetrics capabilities!!)
I'll give you a 500M worth tip: don't ask to join them in EvE but go to the somethingawful.com forum, because that's the one way (bar very special exceptions) to join them.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4469
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:52:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:well i always had the idea that everyone is eve IS the bad guy so it seems that its just more or less they are the most successfull bad guys
This is not true.
Being good in EvE is possible, it's just way harder. It comes with upsides as well, because many players seem to appreciate those white fleas.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
255
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Posted - 2013.10.29 09:31:00 -
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Khallena Todako wrote:RAW23 wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: gonna look some info on how one would join goon-swarm in a legit way since i keep hearing that people get scammed while trying to join them.
and ooh boy has this gone off -topic xD
Just make sure you have enough to cover the joining fee. As I said, they are decent chaps and will even run a jump freighter down to null to save you the trouble of moving your stuff out there yourself. joining fee? this is exactly what iv heard about people paying and then no accept (scams). I need to research if this is actually a thing because a lot of people have been scammed this way How would one know they are not being tricked? I mean if there is a thing goons have a reputation for is for scamming poor newbies like me Plus i think you Bio says egnough RAW
Hiya thought i would jump in on this one. First i am in an organisation that is generally hostile to goons as opposed to many of the CFC peeps that posted in your thread.
1. Are goons the bad guys?
Nope. They have added a ton of content to the game. Burn Jita, ice interdictions, moon mining cartels, superb use of spies + propaganda (see BoB sov drop, fountain war etc). The people i have met from CFC seem no better or worse than any other group of people (apart from some foul mouthed miners ofc).
2. If they ask for a security deposit or offer to move your ships to actually join goons it is a scam. I think you need to join via the something awful forums to actually join but i am not sure.
3. Their null sec system rental and the jump freighter service is vital to their income and so scamming around that is strictly forbidden.
4. Loads of people scam, spy and steal in eve. Some of them happen to be goons.
Loads of people and corps live in null. Some own sov and fight epic wars with huge fleets and spend the rest of the time making billions ratting/plexing. Some live in NPC null and run guerrilla warfare and spend the rest of the time making billions ratting/plexing.
Anyway have fun in EVE. It looks like you have the research everything down pat. The tricky bit is finding people you can trust and having fun playing with them. Marriage: The reason we build bars Galen Tyrol |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2069
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Posted - 2013.10.29 18:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Khallena Todako wrote:WoW xD thanks mynnna for the update (no joke i realy got scared) (im impressed that the Goon CSM member himself would answear ) still wonder why everyone thinks you are the bad guys since you have made a number of awesome tools available to all eve players - and thanks for that btw!! They play for fun and not for roleplaying (this is what they say on the SC forum) yet in EvE they roleplay the bad guys. In truth, they are not necessarily bad, just "differently good" and have their own mindset, culture and so on. I don't exactly understand them well enough, nor understand why they try appearing the "bad guys", I suppose that creates a group identity and helps at promoting common intents. The end result (still reporting what they say on SC, might be different in EvE) is that they are "just" trying to win the game, like others did in more "classic" ways before them. While doing their stuff (winning the game) they have a lively community that includes good developers, some of them release their software for everyone, others follow Google's strategy of making public what it's now a legacy for them and still keep the technology advantage intact.
Funny thing here is that way back in the day - pre-BoB's invasion of syndicate and "there are no goons" and all that - we really did try to be the good guys. Wanted to be upstanding members of ~the community~ and so forth.
Then BoB goes and makes us out to be the bad guys as a means of otherizing us and having an excuse for their forces of ~leet pvp~ to be seen abusing newbies, so we went "**** it" and embraced it.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.29 18:46:00 -
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mynnna wrote: Funny thing here is that way back in the day - pre-BoB's invasion of syndicate and "there are no goons" and all that - we really did try to be the good guys. Wanted to be upstanding members of ~the community~ and so forth.
Then BoB goes and makes us out to be the bad guys as a means of otherizing us and having an excuse for their forces of ~leet pvp~ to be seen abusing newbies, so we went "**** it" and embraced it.
I've heard this before but I have to say it sounds rather like internal propaganda. Considering the personality of your first CEO and the fact that Goons in other games go there to grief it seems a little ... well ... implausible that in this particular case you turned up with a basket of warm baked goods to share out and an ardent desire to just fit in. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
244
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:19:00 -
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mynnna wrote:[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha][quote=Khallena Todako]WoW xD thanks mynnna for the update (no joke i realy got scared)
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Ahh, I remember that. I was in RAWR back when when you magnificent bastards popped the drain plug on BoB. The ensuing chaos was fantastic. It was the glory days of the blackbird as well. We had WAAAAAY too much fun. I had forgotten it was Goons what did it though. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2072
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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:43:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:mynnna wrote: Funny thing here is that way back in the day - pre-BoB's invasion of syndicate and "there are no goons" and all that - we really did try to be the good guys. Wanted to be upstanding members of ~the community~ and so forth.
Then BoB goes and makes us out to be the bad guys as a means of otherizing us and having an excuse for their forces of ~leet pvp~ to be seen abusing newbies, so we went "**** it" and embraced it.
I've heard this before but I have to say it sounds rather like internal propaganda. Considering the personality of your first CEO and the fact that Goons in other games go there to grief it seems a little ... well ... implausible that in this particular case you turned up with a basket of warm baked goods to share out and an ardent desire to just fit in.
"Turned up with a basket of warm baked goods", not really, but things like scamming and whatnot were absolutely forbidden way back then, so draw what conclusion from that you will. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:55:00 -
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mynnna wrote:RAW23 wrote:mynnna wrote: Funny thing here is that way back in the day - pre-BoB's invasion of syndicate and "there are no goons" and all that - we really did try to be the good guys. Wanted to be upstanding members of ~the community~ and so forth.
Then BoB goes and makes us out to be the bad guys as a means of otherizing us and having an excuse for their forces of ~leet pvp~ to be seen abusing newbies, so we went "**** it" and embraced it.
I've heard this before but I have to say it sounds rather like internal propaganda. Considering the personality of your first CEO and the fact that Goons in other games go there to grief it seems a little ... well ... implausible that in this particular case you turned up with a basket of warm baked goods to share out and an ardent desire to just fit in. "Turned up with a basket of warm baked goods", not really, but things like scamming and whatnot were absolutely forbidden way back then, so draw what conclusion from that you will.
That's very interesting. Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1089
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:15:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Khallena Todako wrote: Maybe ill even try to join you guys now that i know you are just a pain in the ass in the game and not outside of it! (and as such use the rest of goonmetrics capabilities!!)
I'll give you a 500M worth tip: don't ask to join them in EvE but go to the somethingawful.com forum, because that's the one way (bar very special exceptions) to join them. This advise is well-intentioned but woefully incomplete.
Goonwaffe recruits SA goons who want to play EVE, not EVE players who pretend to be SA goons.
If there is evidence that you were aware of EVE (or worse: actually playing it) before fulfilling your SA quota and applying to Goonwaffe then there is a good chance that your app will not only be denied but that you will be blacklisted as well.
It's pretty common for enthusiastic players in the position of OP to follow advise like yours, pay $10 for an SA account and then post in the EVE thread about how they can't wait to join Goonwaffe once the three months are up ... and all anyone can tell them is that they have just ruined any chance of ever joining Goonwaffe using this SA account.
If you want to do the SA thing then nothing on your SA account and the EVE account you apply to Goonwaffe with should link to your previous identity as an EVE player. It's a major effort and not something you can go about naively. |
Khallena Todako
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:18:00 -
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WoW a person doesnt login for 1 day and soooo many good responses
Although to comment all of you at this point is impossible (im in a hurry here!!) but the major points are:
i still dont get it what one must do to join them, and at this point it seems that i would either be scammed, have to pay money, have to pay money and not join, or something that i still havent figured out
either way ill research more when i get here.
on a more topic related note:
goon-metrics is still down :( |
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