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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
693
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:23:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: well, the text confirms ccp asked blink to stop offering rewards for gtc buys
Yes.
And while other parties have shown a willingness to comply with the rules immediately, Somer has opted for the choice of exploiting the loophole to the fullest before it is closed down. Again it shows that Somer is only in to this for money and could not give a care for the Eve community or have an interest in following "the spirit" of CCP rules now or never.
In my opinion, as part of their cleanup, CCP should publicly denounce Somer Blink. As to show that they no longer want to be taken as fools and terminate the official endorsement that has previously been presented. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1579
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:29:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: well, the text confirms ccp asked blink to stop offering rewards for gtc buys
Yes. And while other parties have shown a willingness to comply with the rules immediately, Somer has opted for the choice of exploiting the loophole to the fullest before it is closed down. Again it shows that Somer is only in to this for money and could not give a care for the Eve community or have an interest in following "the spirit" of CCP rules now or never. In my opinion, as part of their cleanup, CCP should publicly denounce Somer Blink. As to show that they no longer want to be taken as fools and terminate the official endorsement that has previously been established.
Yeah, the big cash out makes it unequivocal. CCP really made asses of themselves with this whole community site fiasco. This is one of the rare times where heads really should roll. If there was nobody vetting the decisions leading to this disaster, then the person who should have put someone responsible in charge is to blame. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5047
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:31:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: well, the text confirms ccp asked blink to stop offering rewards for gtc buys
Yes. And while other parties have shown a willingness to comply with the rules immediately, Somer has opted for the choice of exploiting the loophole to the fullest before it is closed down. Again it shows that Somer is only in to this for money and could not give a care for the Eve community or have an interest in following "the spirit" of CCP rules now or never. In my opinion, as part of their cleanup, CCP should publicly denounce Somer Blink. As to show that they no longer want to be taken as fools and terminate the official endorsement that has previously been established. But I thought somer blink were good honest people that made great contributions to the community
Was I lied to There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1579
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:37:00 -
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Yes.
Also, Santa isn't real.
Also, also, your parents aren't actually "tickling" each other. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
215
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:23:00 -
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what a surprise. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
473
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:41:00 -
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Welp, looks like Somer pretty much wins Eve. Hundreds of thousands of dollars out of game + insanely rich in-game. Don't think anything will be able to top that well........ever.
I ain't even mad (at somer), that's amazing. Doubly so, since CCP endorsed the racket in the first place. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:52:00 -
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[03:37:23] Firebat2 > according to http://evenews24.com/2013/10/29/somer-blinks-bonus-gets-closed-down/ we can no longer get bonus isk. yet the blink site is still advertising it, what gives?
[03:38:19] Sara Utama > so they are upping the ante for those 10 days.. possibly kicking the hornets nest, or possibly just paying for a ton of server time while they can
[03:38:50] Andre Ox > We spoke to CCP this morning - there's some annoying people that were trying to exploit the program some fansites (us included) used for years now, but for evil purpose. So they're changing policy, and asked us to close out the bonus after the 7th :)
[03:39:58] Andre Ox > The people who get nuked from orbit are the ones who just make up their own interpretations of things then leap into action without asking any questions. :p
(apparently Markee is sold out now)
[03:41:10] Andre Ox > Fire - They're planning to stock heavy, so they shouldn't run out again tomorrow :)
[03:42:20] Angie Munoz > So out of curiosity if you guys became a resellers and cut MD out of the loop and gave the bonus still would that be against rules?
[03:42:43] Angie Munoz > at that point you are just a reseller promoting a business i would think
[03:42:46] Andre Ox > Angie - The letter of the law? Probably not. But it'd definitely be wizzing all over the spirit of the law, and we'd rather not do that to CCP.
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so they're basically thumbing their nose at the community while laughing their way to the bank and playing their protection under CCP til literally the last possible minute. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
475
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:00:00 -
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Besides, I'm sure if someone else funneled 7 figures worth of revenue to CCP, they'd give em a bit of extra time before closing down that shop.
It's just good business. |
Frying Doom
2982
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:05:00 -
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Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps
Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion.
A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:06:00 -
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I expect the *real* RMT to begin in earnest sometime soon... they have no reason to keep the site going if they can't generate cash out of it, and they've already beaten the game many times over, at this point it makes sense they'd sell all that useless ISK off just to spite the community.
either that or they all get jobs and CCP tags |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5052
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:09:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion. A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy 5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place trustworthy and honourable indeed honor! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: honor!
if you look at those logs i pasted, their customers know that the credit is isk, and that it's for them to cash out free ****. all the arguments that it isn't RMT fall flat on their face. Andrev Nox is even backdating GTC purchases and giving retroactive credit to fuel more sales. they really are acting shamelessly, because they have no fear of repercussions. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
475
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:27:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps
Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie.
I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5054
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:30:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps
Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie. I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps. Only because they were caught There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
475
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps
Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie. I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps. Only because they were caught Pretty much. A wise man once said: it's only illegal if you get caught. |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:32:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion. A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy 5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place trustworthy and honourable indeed
You fail to understand what is going on here.
They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes).
The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves.
But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
475
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:34:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:integrity lol |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:37:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote: You fail to understand what is going on here.
They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes).
The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves.
But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really?
they are 5xing the amount. instead of selling you 200mil isk, they're selling you 1bil.
as for that quip about integrity sandwiches, you sure got that one right.
apparently the owner of cogdev recently closed a deal on a $500k commercial space, and one of the last 'celebrations' featured Somer moving into her new house, so take that as you will when deciding where the money for that came from.
they've already RMTed a conservative estimate $135k but greed is good, so why not cash the **** out even more? lol
[04:37:48] GIorfindeI > Love how they give out special things to support Somer, then reneg on them... then just **** over Somer'sw main source of server mitigation income... thanks CCP
[04:38:31] Andrev Nox > Glor - The issue was more with a group of people who were abusing the system lots of fansites (us included) were using. It was something they had to put a stop to to stop the malicious folks too. We get why they needed to :)
[04:38:38] 3pYoN > i pray for the bonus to be around in 12 hours
[04:38:46] Sohlstyss Mahm > 3pYoN until November 7th :) |
Frying Doom
2984
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:40:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps Everyone else has closed down their bonus RMT and Somer has increased theirs to a billion. A very community based site, CCP should be so happy they are 100% trustworthy 5x-ing the amount of RMT you offer whilst laughing at the community which made you rich in the first place trustworthy and honourable indeed You fail to understand what is going on here. They are not 5x-ing the amount of RMT, as you put it; they are providing five times the previous incentive to do business with them, for the same amount of 'grey-RMT' The income they gain from each and every GTC they sell remains the same, regardless of the incentive they give out (unless and until their agreement with their GTC reseller changes). The part to take away from this is while (to use the references in the first post) EVE-GAMES and Katarina Reid have stopped providing GTC incentives, organizations that continue to stay in the grey area until the midnight hour are rapidly losing their integrity regarding where in the heirarchy EVE comes in relation to themselves. But since you cannot go home at night and feed the family integrity sandwiches, what good is it really? Yes but if they are feeding their families as you put it, then that just makes them guilty of a very black and white part of the EULA.
EULA wrote:Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. emphasis mine. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:03:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:EULA wrote:Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. emphasis mine.
Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, buy buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.
It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.
Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their hat might not be quite as white as at first glance. |
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:05:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote: Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP.
It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive.
Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their hat might not be quite as white as at first glance.
simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out. |
Frying Doom
2986
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:08:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:Frying Doom wrote:EULA wrote:Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. emphasis mine. Oh I don't disagree with you one bit. CCP is in a very tight spot regarding this issue; the original intent (as I understand it) was to allow players to support their community, be it their corp, a fansite, or other entity, by buying GTC through them instead of directly from CCP. It's the incentives that are the grey area here, as providing an incentive can be seen as anti-competitive. Katarina was grey-hat about the issue; once the issue had been addressed the hat came off. Somer continuing to provide incentives is letting the community (and whomever gave them a community spotlight) know their colour might not be quite as white as at first glance. I agree the incentives are the problem but with Somer flogging a dead horse for cash, they are showing that they have nothing to do with the community other than trying to milk it dry for funds.
So they are really crossing the line from possible community gambling site to all out income-seeking site. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
476
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:09:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote: simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.
To be honest, most casinos share that view of their customers. "I've discovered the perfect business: people swarm in, empty their pockets, and scuttle off. Nothing can stop me now" ~C. Montgomery Burns. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ace Boogi wrote: simply idling in their channel woulda told you that a long time ago. they pretty much view the average eve player as cattle. if you go to their channel right now, it's like RMT central. they probably sold 100 GTCs since i logged in and Andrev Nox is even backdating orders and paying retroactive bonuses to fuel even more sales. it's clearly a cash out.
To be honest, most casinos share that view of their customers. "I've discovered the perfect business: people swarm in, empty their pockets, and scuttle off. Nothing can stop me now" ~C. Montgomery Burns. of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.
yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
476
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:14:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote: of course, but it really irks me when people call somer a 'community service' and 'trustworthy and honourable' and i see them literally laughing at and bashing the playerbase on a day by day basis.
'community service'? 'trustworthy and honourable'? yeah, about as much as a feudal lord is. they don't even try to mask their disdain for the common eve player.
yup, those people are the cattle. |
Frying Doom
2986
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:16:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Somer Blink is really making CCP look like chumps
Not really. There's a reason this mess continued as long as it did before CCP took "action." Somer no doubt padded their revenue considerably. From a fiduciary perspective, that's a good thing. That revenue can then go on to projects like Dust, WoD, and maybe even a little goes to Eve or Valkyrie. I mean there's the whole hipocrisy regarding rmt deal and pissing off a portion of your player base thing, but it really doesn't make them look like chumps. Somer Blink now going for the grab as much loot as possible before the deadline has really shown they are not a community site in any way shape or form.
They are a business that CCP has praised while Somer has taken as much cash as it can from the players.
The fact is that being a Business is against the EULA, and Somer has shown it very much is a business, is against the EULA.
So CCP have been made to look like chumps by calling a business that is there for a profit a community site, they have given this business in-game items because they are so good for the community and CCP has broken its own EULA for this business.
Sorry CCP look like chumps holding the bag at this point. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:17:00 -
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[05:10:35] augie bendoggy > i know there has been alot of "grey area " discussion.. but really.. if it makes people buy more plexs from ccp.. what do they have to complain about
[05:11:44] Andrev Nox > Augie - it wasn't ever a grey area. Years ago, when we started it, we got CCP's blessing, up and down the chain, before a single GTC was bonused :)
[05:11:46] Andrev Nox > The problem comes from a few problem children who screamed "how high" after Mittens said "jump," who were abusing the system that's been in place for dozens of sites for years. So they had to change policy to shut down the malicious players.
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in case you're getting ready to delete these, ISD. don't worry. i've been screenshotting everything as well :)
looks like we got an answer. CCP approved of this RMT up and down the chain.
yet for some reason they threatened everyone else with bans. because using the same system Somer does is abuse... or something.
and apparently asking for fairness and equal enforcement of the EULA makes you a problem child and malicious. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
477
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:26:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:[05:10:35] augie bendoggy > i know there has been alot of "grey area " discussion.. but really.. if it makes people buy more plexs from ccp.. what do they have to complain about
[05:11:44] Andrev Nox > Augie - it wasn't ever a grey area. Years ago, when we started it, we got CCP's blessing, up and down the chain, before a single GTC was bonused :)
[05:11:46] Andrev Nox > The problem comes from a few problem children who screamed "how high" after Mittens said "jump," who were abusing the system that's been in place for dozens of sites for years. So they had to change policy to shut down the malicious players.
Honestly, he's not wrong, except maybe about the last point. This whole mess started when CCP overplayed their hands with golden magnates and ishukone watch scorpions, that's when MANY people noticed it.
Also wouldn't give ISD a hard time, they're mainly just following instructions, and they did give us considerable latitude in the discussion, well some of them did anyway. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:30:00 -
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Andrev Nox just called me out in the channel lmao. he's been reading these threads the whole time, yet oddly enough, he hasn't come in to defend his shady RMT organization
[05:25:22] Andrev Nox > Also, everyone wave to Ace Boogi. He's in here biographing how evil and terrible we are, for the forum circlejerk squad.
[05:26:55] Andrev Nox > Happily for Ace, Blink is a horrific service that is universally hated and has never done anything good. So clearly no-one will be using it, and we'll suffer in our exhile.
[05:29:46] Andrev Nox > Shitpoasting NPC alts are my favorites. It's like when fox news cuts away to see twitter feeds from old people. You've got the main spergs serving as the talking heads, then the NPC guys filling in with the peanut gallery comments.
and yes, this is how he usually talks in there. dude is an arrogant prick. love the little quip about fox news too. this mouth breather acts like i'd expect him to.. ad hominems and logical fallacies gallore, especially through shills, instead of logical discourse when faced with scrutiny or debate. |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
6
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Posted - 2013.11.01 05:34:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:
looks like we got an answer. CCP approved of this RMT up and down the chain.
yet for some reason they threatened everyone else with bans. because using the same system Somer does is abuse... or something.
and apparently asking for fairness and equal enforcement of the EULA makes you a problem child and malicious.
An individual claiming approval by an organization is not the same as an organization explicitly granting approval.
Although between the spotlight on the corporation, and the same corporation's flaunting of the grace period to cease and desist (although the cease and desist was delivered to the intermediary, to 'clean up' their business practices) the line of separation is rapidly disappearing. |
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