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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:38:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers but it says to stop players trading ingame items for cash. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. EULA says cant sell ingame stuff for cash. 10 days for reseller to stop it or else. You can still support me for no reward when you buy your ETC's here$660 made for me 377 sale of ETC's $13,195 for CCP 188b given out
Does this mean somer blink cant give bonus stuff out now for getting GTC through there link? |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
159
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:40:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers but it says to stop players trading ingame items for cash. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. EULA says cant sell ingame stuff for cash. 10 days for reseller to stop it or else. You can still support me for no reward when you buy your ETC's here$660 made for me 377 sale of ETC's $13,195 for CCP 188b given out Does this mean somer blink cant give bonus stuff out now for getting GTC through there link?
Yes, or everybody else can do the same and CCP needs to apologize to all those people who wanted to raffle their stuff in the recent time and got their threads locked for RMT. |
Frying Doom
2887
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:43:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:RAW23 wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot
Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers but it says to stop players trading ingame items for cash. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. EULA says cant sell ingame stuff for cash. 10 days for reseller to stop it or else. CCP hath spoken. Now we get to see how they deal with the question of why this now forbidden practice was allowed in the first place. Wasn't so hard was it CCP? Deep breath, you'll be OKAY. Now - how about "We're not going to endorse or support in came corporations anymore, because clearly we aren't really as good at deciding who is '100% trustworthy' as we thought. Not to mention, game adjudicators picking winners and giving them things in the game is just plain distasteful.". Combine that with a nice big smile and apology from Hilmar and Guard and we can all get on with friggin' internet spaceships. o7 I am curious to see if that letter went out to ALL their resellers.
Would be nice if everything was back to a level playing field. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:45:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:corbexx wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers but it says to stop players trading ingame items for cash. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. EULA says cant sell ingame stuff for cash. 10 days for reseller to stop it or else. You can still support me for no reward when you buy your ETC's here$660 made for me 377 sale of ETC's $13,195 for CCP 188b given out Does this mean somer blink cant give bonus stuff out now for getting GTC through there link? Yes, or everybody else can do the same and CCP needs to apologize to all those people who wanted to raffle their stuff in the recent time and got their threads locked for RMT. at this point we need far more than an apology. CCP locked out all the competition whilst letting Somer continue to RMT, censored posts in their thread, just did all kinds of shady ****. Somer needs a ban because this is the most massive case of RMT i have ever seen |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
475
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:45:00 -
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Yes, although SOMER still has the link up.
We'll all hold our breath for now. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:50:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers but it says to stop players trading ingame items for cash. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. EULA says cant sell ingame stuff for cash. 10 days for reseller to stop it or else. You can still support me for no reward when you buy your ETC's here$660 made for me 377 sale of ETC's $13,195 for CCP 188b given out
Lets see if the blinks winks bonks honks and promos continue... |
Fantome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:56:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Headshot
Not sure if im allowed to link the letter given to resellers.../....
There is no NDA signed about it ? So feel free to link it..
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:57:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Yes, although SOMER still has the link up.
what a surprise... just like how all their staff disappeared from their thread once this all blew up
they're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? |
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:05:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Movarer wrote:Dalmont Delantee wrote: 3) Now somerblink makes a bit of cash providing a service to the community.
"a bit of cash"... His service would work perfectly fine without his giving credits(isk) for his referals. And it would remove this entire issue that we arent allowed to talk about. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
He only mentioned it once, I think we got away with it. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:09:00 -
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Popcorn time ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
165
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:10:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ?
Well better prepare a fat bucket as its going to be a long wait. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
458
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:13:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk.
What an epiphany by CCP. Not today spaghetti. |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:16:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Yes, although SOMER still has the link up.
We'll all hold our breath for now. I'm betting CCP somehow "forgot" to send such a letter to Somer. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
275
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:17:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now?
Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up?
All while being publicly declared to be 'not a scam' by CCP themselves, Sommerset Mahm has pulled the biggest EVE scam ever. Well played sir. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:18:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD conservatively. All while being publicly declared to be 'not a scam' by CCP themselves, Sommerset Mahm has pulled the biggest EVE scam ever. Well played sir. I believe Somer deserves a ban more than anyone else ever has, imo |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
305
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:18:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:My view is this.
Somerblink has been running for nearly 4 years now.
I suspect early on when Somerblink was created CCP had a look, possibly even a chat with the guys at Somer and deemed it to be fine.
Many years later all hell broke lose because CCP decided to be dumb and re-introduce the golden magnet.
Nothing to do with Somer.
Is Somer bad, no.
If anything you could say it might persuade people to purchase plex from a authorised GTC seller then use a RMT Site which is great as its more money into CCP's pocket.
What Katarina Reid is doing is also great as it helps generate more GTC sales.
The more players doing this the better as gives people more incentive to buy GTC's from authorised sellers then use RMT Sites.
For me that is good.
You can scream RMT as much as you like but ultimately it is CCP who decides what constitutes RMT, not me, not you, but CCP.
I may not like CCP's habit of just copying and pasting the TOS and then closing a thread or banning somebody without explaining how what they have done pertains to what they have copied and pasted but that is my tough luck.
I can voice my opinion and then decide to either keep playing or quit.
Others will try and equate Somer with a real life casino, others will go tinfoil mad and suggest that its a giant conspiracy that rivals who shot JFK, good luck to them.
At the end of the day if Somerblink and Katerina Ried and hopefully many others to come in the future continue to come up with schemes that incentivised people to purchase GTC's from authorised sellers instead of using RMT Sites, how is this bad? I appreciate what Blink does for the community. What I donGÇÖt appreciate is that itGÇÖs not ok for an individual for raffle off his own in game stuff for profit yet this company can. In my eyes there is no difference other than they say one can and the other cant because they own the game.
If itGÇÖs wrong for the individual then it should be wrong for all.
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Callum Thiesant
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:22:00 -
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I get the general annoyance and anger over this, but I really don't see why Somer should be banned. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4994
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:22:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up? All while being publicly declared to be 'not a scam' by CCP themselves, Sommerset Mahm has pulled the biggest EVE scam ever. Well played sir. very honest somer, approved enthusiastically by the gods There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:24:00 -
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Callum Thiesant wrote:I get the general annoyance and anger over this, but I really don't see why Somer should be banned. yeah, they only RMTed over 135k USD, that's no biggie |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
459
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:24:00 -
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So lets go ahead and get this out of the way before this issue gets clouded to hell and back again.
The apology that's direly needed is for CCP rewarding SOMER Blink for doing something against the EULA with 30 special edition ships worth over 400 billion ISK.
"Profiteering is a pejorative term for the act of making a profit by methods considered unethical."
CCP and SOMER are guilty. SOMER for obvious reasons and CCP for rewarding them for selling so many plexes. Not today spaghetti. |
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
633
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:26:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD conservatively. All while being publicly declared to be 'not a scam' by CCP themselves, Sommerset Mahm has pulled the biggest EVE scam ever. Well played sir. I believe Somer deserves a ban more than anyone else ever has, imo
I got a permaban for telling someone to DIAF (I got better).
Observe as the largest RMTer in EVE's history walks away unscathed. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4995
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:27:00 -
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That's some pretty nice dolla right there
I do wonder how many (more) gtc were sold, instead of just being redirected from, say, buying from CCP directly, or directly from the wholesaler instead of that one affiliate, or another affiliate There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4995
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:28:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD conservatively. All while being publicly declared to be 'not a scam' by CCP themselves, Sommerset Mahm has pulled the biggest EVE scam ever. Well played sir. I believe Somer deserves a ban more than anyone else ever has, imo I got a permaban for telling someone to DIAF (I got better). Observe as the largest RMTer in EVE's history walks away unscathed. at least they were honest, we still believe that right
better than the evil mittani who started this with the amusing super special giveaway article There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
477
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:30:00 -
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Just a review of some of the words CCP threw out during all of this. Read them and think hard. About the only statement that came close to good damage control is this one by David Reid:
Quote:Thank you for your thoughtful feedback, and for the opportunity to review your statement in advance of publishing it to the community.
We acknowledge that we rushed this event, and we are certainly learning from it now.
Your statement strikes us as factually correct and appropriate to publish, and there are a few further details we want to share with you also.
First, we are developing a program to allow all 3rd parties the opportunity to apply to participate in these kinds of events and promotions with CCP support, and we will have news on that shortly. In general, we believe CCP should foster the activities our players enjoy, and it is clear these kinds of activities have a lot of support in the EVE community, much like we see in other games.
That said, we recognize it is imperative for CCP to remain impartial with respect to which 3rd parties receive CCP support for these kinds of activities. To that end, we will develop a clear policy on how we plan to conduct future events, including how we will determine which 3rd parties and which events will receive CCP support, and we will develop that policy in consultation with the CSM.
We also want to assure you that we are working closely with CCP's legal team to ensure all legal concerns resulting from this event, and future events like it, are addressed.
If you wish, it's fine to let the community know in your statement that CCP has informed you we are working on a clear 3rd party program for future events and that we will consult with you on this program as we develop it, but there's certainly no requirement for you to include this in your statement.
Thank you again for your feedback here and we welcome your further thoughts.
Thanks, David
But unfortunately the community devs didn't do such a good job. Rather than run damage control, they supported SOMERblink at every turn:
CCP Navigator wrote:...SOMER Blink have a history of being trustworthy... What I am saying is that to date they have been 100% trustful and we expect that will continue...Can I promise that Somerset Mahm will not shut up shop some day and go live in Polaris with piles of ISK? Nope, a scam can happen at any time and if that does, we will react accordingly and review how we support others in future....Once again we go back to the trust issue. Having worked with SOMER for some time now I asked myself, GÇÖCould they game this so they gets the cool stuff?GÇÖ Yep, they absolutely could. GÇÿCan we prevent it?GÇÖ No, we absolutely canGÇÖt. GÇÿDo I believe they would cheat to win it for themselves?GÇÖ I genuinely do not believe they will. SOMER Blink have been one of the most philanthropic groups in EVE..."
CCP Guard wrote: ...Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do...
CCP Guard wrote:...We're not novices when it comes to providing incentives....Also just so it's clear we don't award straight ISK.
CCP Guard wrote:.. It had to do with timing, our impression of [Somer's] overall track record and capability, their niche, and habit of sponsoring events... so it's just a relationship that we wanted to explore and which we will continue exploring...
Point is CCP: you have some serious work to do. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:32:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I appreciate what Blink does for the community. What I donGÇÖt appreciate is that itGÇÖs not ok for an individual for raffle off his own in game stuff for profit yet this company can
Company?? Its one dude, ONE DUDE, or one girl.. behind a computer just like you. Who started a corp with a slick website using all the classic casino moves- they make it VERY easy to get in and difficult to get out. Casinos are physically set up that way. Ease of access.
And as far as 'doing things' for the community- they give away isk to incentivize the buying out GTC which generates the out of game dollars. So no, he or she is only cycling money. From you to her.
Pay people isk ingame- corpmates, to deliver prizes and such, start an alliance called Cognitive Development Network and make yourself sound like a company and the people will begin to believe it. Google cog dev and see what you get. nothing but the eve site and all its blinks winks bonks and giga blinks, nothing but massive profit generation.
They say: "Ohh look at all the isk we give away ingame.." that isk is given to incentivize buying GTC GTC GTC its all about the GTC and the referral.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:35:00 -
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Interesting times ahead. Let's see if CCP has the stones to apply this new policy consistently to all GTC -> isk bonus schemes, be they large or small. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
560
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:35:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ?
I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time...
I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch! |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1564
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:35:00 -
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But they did so much for the community without asking for anything in return ...
... now you know why ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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RAW23
333
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:35:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up?
No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:36:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I appreciate what Blink does for the community. What I donGÇÖt appreciate is that itGÇÖs not ok for an individual for raffle off his own in game stuff for profit yet this company can Company?? Its one dude, ONE DUDE, or one girl.. behind a computer just like you. Who started a corp with a slick website using all the classic casino moves- they make it VERY easy to get in and difficult to get out. Casinos are physically set up that way. Ease of access. And as far as 'doing things' for the community- they give away isk to incentivize the buying out GTC which generates the out of game dollars. So no, he or she is only cycling money. From you to her. Pay people isk ingame- corpmates, to deliver prizes and such, start an alliance called Cognitive Development Network and make yourself sound like a company and the people will begin to believe it. Google cog dev and see what you get. nothing but the eve site and all its blinks winks bonks and giga blinks, nothing but massive profit generation. They say: "Ohh look at all the isk we give away ingame.." that isk is given to incentivize buying GTC GTC GTC its all about the GTC and the referral. i dunno if any of you guys stick around in their channel, but i do, and they are extremely arrogant and openly laugh at the playerbase. they basically see you guys as serfs.
when the SIW story broke, you know how they responded? by loling all over the chat and doing Scorpion blink promo chains |
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