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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
834
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:36:00 -
[181] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:I appreciate what Blink does for the community. What I donGÇÖt appreciate is that itGÇÖs not ok for an individual for raffle off his own in game stuff for profit yet this company can Company?? Its one dude, ONE DUDE, or one girl.. behind a computer just like you. Who started a corp with a slick website using all the classic casino moves- they make it VERY easy to get in and difficult to get out. Casinos are physically set up that way. Ease of access. And as far as 'doing things' for the community- they give away isk to incentivize the buying out GTC which generates the out of game dollars. So no, he or she is only cycling money. From you to her. and nothing from this speaks anything against quoted post.
what did you want to say again?
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1554
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
I think it just needs to be explicitly stated that NOW I'm stupid jealous of Somer. I didn't give a **** about special scorps, but I could definitely make use of turning some of my spacecash into realcash. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:37:00 -
[183] - Quote
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ? I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time... I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch! this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
165
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:39:00 -
[184] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up? No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year.
On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
834
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
Ace Boogi wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ? I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time... I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch! this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businesses |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
205
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:43:00 -
[186] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businesses the EU seems to do it just fine |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2766
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:44:00 -
[187] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ? *popcorn*
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RAW23
333
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:44:00 -
[188] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:RAW23 wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up? No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year. On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today.
I don't think so (although I may be wrong). From my understanding of the sources they were exclusively with Shattered Crystal and then moved exclusively to Markee Dragon in exchange for a larger cut of the timecard value. I haven't seen anything to suggest that they were working with both at the same time. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:46:00 -
[189] - Quote
This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid.
CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP.
THE WHOLE THING STINKS |
Frying Doom
2896
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:46:00 -
[190] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:flakeys wrote:Popcorn time ? I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time... I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch! this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businesses That is the joys of laws like this you don't. You issue warrants and if they are ever stupid enough to come into your jurisdiction you grab them. Also a lot of countries do not have a statue of limitations.
Also being classed as an illegal gambling site gets you blocked by a lot of countries these days. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
166
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:46:00 -
[191] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:RAW23 wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now? Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up? No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year. On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today. I don't think so (although I may be wrong). From my understanding of the sources they were exclusively with Shattered Crystal and then moved exclusively to Markee Dragon in exchange for a larger cut of the timecard value. I haven't seen anything to suggest that they were working with both at the same time.
Well as I was using SOMER for quite some time I can say they had two links and I was surprised one was missing after I came back from a vacation. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1570
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:49:00 -
[192] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:I think it just needs to be explicitly stated that NOW I'm stupid jealous of Somer. I didn't give a **** about special scorps, but I could definitely make use of turning some of my spacecash into realcash.
I was litterally just thinking this.When i responded in the previous threads you had the 'lol your jealous' responses wich made me laugh as i got more isk allready then i need and even if i didn't it's only gamecash who gives a crap about that.
So now the rl cash gains is out you are free to resond to my posts by saying 'Lol you jealous flakeys?' , so i can say ' Why yes , yes i AM' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
835
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:50:00 -
[193] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid. CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP. and there is nothing bad in this story. Just well run business model.
Leigh Akiga wrote:THE WHOLE THING STINKS Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:50:00 -
[194] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Also being classed as an illegal gambling site gets you blocked by a lot of countries these days.
I'm waiting for someone to meta-game this and report Somer
wonder how that audit and taxes will go for them... |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
166
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:52:00 -
[195] - Quote
March rabbit wrote: and there is nothing bad in this story. Just well run business model.
Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort
And for those who want to do the same but get banned/their threads get locked. |
DNSBLACK
Aliastra Gallente Federation
486
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:54:00 -
[196] - Quote
"Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
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Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:57:00 -
[197] - Quote
Ace Boogi wrote:I dunno if any of you guys stick around in their channel, but i do, and they are extremely arrogant and openly laugh at the playerbase. They basically see you guys as serfs.
When the SIW story broke, you know how they responded? By loling all over the chat and doing Scorpion blink promo chains
March rabbit wrote:Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort
Hey look, a member of The Cognitive Development Network |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2538
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:57:00 -
[198] - Quote
So somer are no longer allowed to RMT?
Or is it just that other people who are using the exact same loopholes as somer are not allowed to RMT?
If it's the former, how long before this wonderful "legit" "community service" shuts down entirely.
What a joke. Somer never has been a community service - it was an ingame, and then also out of game, profit driven business.
this whole thing is a god damned mess. |
Prince Kobol
1064
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:58:00 -
[199] - Quote
DNSBLACK wrote: "Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
Dude.. leave already
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Leanna Dekara
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:59:00 -
[200] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid. CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP. THE WHOLE THING STINKS You're a little off there. The bonus is in Blink Credit, which then has to be turned into ISK by winning Blinks and cashing them out. Its not given directly in-game as ISK.
Butan is not what you think it is either. Butan was basically a riddle game they used to run from time to time, but it was stopped due to rampant cheating.
Just thought I'd correct your steering there a little bro. |
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:00:00 -
[201] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:So somer are no longer allowed to RMT?
Or is it just that other people who are using the exact same loopholes as somer are not allowed to RMT?
If it's the former, how long before this wonderful "legit" "community service" shuts down entirely.
What a joke. Somer never has been a community service - it was an ingame, and then also out of game, profit driven business.
this whole thing is a god damned mess. they still have the link on their website. even now, someone just asked in the chat channel about the bonus credit for GTC.
i bet you if they do take that link down, it will be at the last possible minute, literally.
hilarious how devs think a purely for profit casino corp. is a community service. yeah, they provide so much more service than EveMon, Dotlan, etc. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1571
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:02:00 -
[202] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:THE WHOLE THING STINKS Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort
Not at all , give me the option to turn over my isk for cash and you won't hear me complain any more.
I needed a new laptop anyway , might as well get the whole family one of their own then now ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4402
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:02:00 -
[203] - Quote
DNSBLACK wrote: "Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
I thought you sold this character? Unless it was all one big 'Look At Me!' stunt or something... . |
Calisto Thellere
24
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:02:00 -
[204] - Quote
Well, i guess we wait and see how long before Somer closes down now their RMT route has been cut off.
Then and only then, will we see how much "for the community" Somer really is.... |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:03:00 -
[205] - Quote
Leanna Dekara wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid. CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP. THE WHOLE THING STINKS You're a little off there. The bonus is in Blink Credit, which then has to be turned into ISK by winning Blinks and cashing them out. Its not given directly in-game as ISK. Butan is not what you think it is either. Butan was basically a riddle game they used to run from time to time, but it was stopped due to rampant cheating. Just thought I'd correct your steering there a little bro.
Thank you for reiterating my point so well. |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
168
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:04:00 -
[206] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:DNSBLACK wrote: "Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
I thought you sold this character? Unless it was all one big 'Look At Me!' stunt or something...
Thread got locked stuff didnt happen |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1571
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:04:00 -
[207] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:DNSBLACK wrote: "Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
I thought you sold this character? Unless it was all one big 'Look At Me!' stunt or something...
Some people quit eve , others quite eve 10 times?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:04:00 -
[208] - Quote
Calisto Thellere wrote:Well, i guess we wait and see how long before Somer closes down now their RMT route has been cut off.
Then and only then, will we see how much "for the community" Somer really is.... they'll probably just switch to massive ads and etc. for a while before giving up and posting some lame excuse about 'server costs', as if we're supposed to give a **** that a for-profit corp can't pay to run their website to make more profit |
DNSBLACK
Aliastra Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:05:00 -
[209] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:DNSBLACK wrote: "Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."
1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.
2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.
3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.
4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????
Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.
I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.
Dude.. leave already
I can't CCP won't let me. Do me a favor and show me on the doll were I touched you seems like we met before. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1574
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:06:00 -
[210] - Quote
Leanna Dekara wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid. CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP. THE WHOLE THING STINKS You're a little off there. The bonus is in Blink Credit, which then has to be turned into ISK by winning Blinks and cashing them out. Its not given directly in-game as ISK. Butan is not what you think it is either. Butan was basically a riddle game they used to run from time to time, but it was stopped due to rampant cheating. Just thought I'd correct your steering there a little bro.
When a train goes off the rails it can not be steered any more bro .... incoming wreck in 5 4 3 2 1
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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