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Jessica Danikov
FatalFleet Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:45:00 -
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I made a couple of diagrams to try and highlight whether SOMER blink and associated parties 'copying' them are RMTers. The whole album is here: http://imgur.com/a/ar0yI
Figure 1. ( http://i.imgur.com/IpeK5qx.png ) Illustrates the SOMER blink model. Note how this is, in essence, the same as the CCP PLEX model, in which the provider takes a margin for enabling the redistribution of ISK amongst players.
Figure 2. ( http://i.imgur.com/OXCRGhz.png ) illustrates the Katarina Reid model, which differs from the SOMER blink model. This ends up being more of a grey area as, while CCP is still in the loop, the source of ISK is not identified and is a potential area for exploitation.
Figure 3. ( http://i.imgur.com/Dg3xyVz.png ) illustrates the RMT model, which everyone can clearly see is bad for the game as CCP generates no income, there's no inhibitor on excessive trading and the ISK sourcing remains suspect.
Overall I don't think SOMER blink has anything to worry about apart from misunderstandings. Looking at how much money they make just illuminates how much money is in the margins on PLEX and GTCs and how well SOMER blink has captured that market.
Katarina Reid's model is an uncomfortable step towards RMT, in which there is obvious potential for ISK rinsing into currency going on, even if CCP are getting a cut off of it. Is it going too far and can/should CCP prohibit the injection of personal ISK into such schemes or is it just not possible to police this and rely on the natural limit of GTCs to stop it getting out of hand while keeping CCP involved in the profits? |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:54:00 -
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Or for something different CCP could actually follow its own EULA
Strange idea I know but it is a thought Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:03:00 -
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Im taking bets on how long until this thread ia locked. Is that RMT? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jessica Danikov
FatalFleet Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:06:00 -
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I'm not sure anything in Fig. 1 or Fig. 2 is against the EULA, the question is whether it should be.
Fig. 3 is obviously RMT, against the EULA, and isn't worth discussing beyond trying to attract a thread lock- it's only there for comparison.
If the thread gets locked, so be it, at least it can be linked- hopefully the diagrams do some good to help illuminate other discussion. Maybe some +1s if people found it helpful, or constructive criticism if you think they're wrong. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
204
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:08:00 -
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I think the general consensus amongst ISD/CCP atm is that it's ok if Somer does it, and RMT if it's others who do it in similar fashion.
I personally don't have anything against Somer Blink. I just want a level playing field where anyone can do whatever someone else does, without interference, favoritism, or rule bending.
My beef is with CCP |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
191
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:09:00 -
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A fresh and exciting discussion about Somer Blink. |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:10:00 -
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You left out that in the somer model - the isk has to come from SOMEWHERE.
The same possibilities are there as in the Katarina model. |
Jessica Danikov
FatalFleet Fatal Ascension
129
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:17:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:I think the general consensus amongst ISD/CCP atm is that it's ok if Somer does it, and RMT if it's others who do it in similar fashion.
I personally don't have anything against Somer Blink. I just want a level playing field where anyone can do whatever someone else does, without interference, favoritism, or rule bending. The reason I made the diagrams is to highlight how other people are doing something similar (such as Katarina Reid) and that is being allowed- no interference, favouritism or rule bending. Sometimes graphics make it easier to bend your head around it. I think CCP are being consistent, people just don't naturally understand how and why and the pictures may help.
The fact that SOMER blink has what seems like a monopoly on a lucrative market is entirely independent from it not being RMT- maybe worth another discussion thread though.
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:You left out that in the somer model - the isk has to come from SOMEWHERE.
The same possibilities are there as in the Katarina model.
The ISK is coming from the players gambling and SOMER taking a cut. Simples. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:18:00 -
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Guys please read the first page of the forum and post in the appropriate thread before making a new one.
IB4L |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
556
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:21:00 -
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I'll bet a dollar every one of these threads was made while the OP waited for promo blinks...
Kinda like the occupy wall street imbeciles standing around with a protest sign against corporations while wearing Nike shoes and drinking Starbucks coffee. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:25:00 -
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www.themittani.com does indeed have a great article about this. ISD has also been posting a thread where we can discuss this. My crystal ball says they will link it again for us here.
All I will say is that I'm surprised Somer hasn't made more. There is clearly a need for someone to make a better gambling site. www.iwantisk.com will hopefully fulfill this need. In the meantime, please check out www.evealaupolis.com I can almost never spell this site so I probably linked it wrong... just see the profile for eep eep.
I hope the Mittani comes out with an Eve gambling site. It would probably be better than Somer and not openly scam with such a high house rake. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:29:00 -
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How does the Erotica 1 model compare? I want to know where to put my Plex! This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Jessica Danikov
FatalFleet Fatal Ascension
130
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:29:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I hope the Mittani comes out with an Eve gambling site. It would probably be better than Somer and not openly scam with such a high house rake.
It'd be nice to see some competition, that's for sure.
It's up to ISD's if they think this thread is undermining the 'one discussion' approach they've opted for- no skin off of my back if they do, but it felt sufficiently different in topic to risk it. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:33:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:How does the Erotica 1 model compare? I want to know where to put my Plex!
I'll be home and in game within 2 hours to help you. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:18:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:
The ISK is coming from the players gambling and SOMER taking a cut. Simples.
Which comes from.... |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:25:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:I made a couple of diagrams to try and highlight whether SOMER blink and associated parties 'copying' them are RMTers. The whole album is here: http://imgur.com/a/ar0yIFigure 1. ( http://i.imgur.com/IpeK5qx.png ) Illustrates the SOMER blink model. Note how this is, in essence, the same as the CCP PLEX model, in which the provider takes a margin for enabling the redistribution of ISK amongst players. Figure 2. ( http://i.imgur.com/OXCRGhz.png ) illustrates the Katarina Reid model, which differs from the SOMER blink model. This ends up being more of a grey area as, while CCP is still in the loop, the source of ISK is not identified and is a potential area for exploitation. Figure 3. ( http://i.imgur.com/Dg3xyVz.png ) illustrates the RMT model, which everyone can clearly see is bad for the game as CCP generates no income, there's no inhibitor on excessive trading and the ISK sourcing remains suspect.
EULA wrote:Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.
You mean besides that bit of the EULA. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:40:00 -
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Good evening. If you would like to discuss the recent events with Somer, please post in the thread located here. We are trying to consolidate everything into one thread for ease of access and to prevent clutter. Thank you.
Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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