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DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2013.11.02 03:20:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"
I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.
All that being said, there are better fights out there.
Well there is one way to get rid of us. Come to Reynire and destroy our ****, wipe us from this Cluster and we won't populate 'your' channels any longer. I guess it's easier barking here than, Gods-forbid, Pilots do something about it.
And now to wait for the 'I wipe plenty of your kind out when your Master invades a constellation (in High Sec of course! Don't want to risk my shiny ship unduly!)' response.
~Hikari xoxo
P.S; Heavenbound still wants to say Hi. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Perkone Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:28:00 -
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While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.
In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.
I don't want to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool os visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.
But the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have hoped to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.
If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet pet peeves, general manner of
And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.
Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
895
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:25:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?
Let me put on my grandmother's pearl necklace so I can properly clutch at it.
Just a second... this clasp is a bit hard to... okay, got it.
I am shocked. I am utterly and truly shocked to hear that there are members of the True Slave Foundation on the The Summit. Why, the Summit is a haven of refined conversation and fit only for those with proper breeding and manners. I cannot imagine how those of such low repute even managed to access the place!
Not to worry, I shall tell send a message to that fine gentleman, Captain Tiberious, and he will make sure such vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells are banned immediately. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
32
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Posted - 2013.11.02 09:39:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"
I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said [...]
Well, I'm pretty sure you've shot at State assets in the past. If all crimes are interchangeable, you telling me I should hold you in the same cold contempt as if you were slipping the tube-steak to that cute little daughter of yours? 'Cause hey, no skin off my back. Might be fun. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:42:00 -
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((Is this thread bordering on discussing OOC moderation of The Summit? It seems to me just a moan about how the Summit is moderated and not about the affiliations of the moderators.....just sayin')) |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
616
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:45:00 -
[126] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.
In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.
I'm hesitant to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool of visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.
But really, the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers, and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have presumed to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.
If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet pet peeves, general manner of
And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.
Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation.
You have a beautiful mind. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
941
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:13:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.
I'd say my moral principles mean I regard a vast swathe of humanity that don't prescribe to Caldari cultural ideals as inferior, backwards, and regressive. My contempt and ability to engage as polite conversationalist however are not mutually exclusive.
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Gwen Ikiryo
Perkone Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:21:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:You have a beautiful mind.
Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:50:00 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:You have a beautiful mind. Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond.
I uh... am sorry, I do not know why I... Nevermind.
My apologies. |
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
200
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Posted - 2013.11.02 13:14:00 -
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I suddenly became fascinated by this thread. |
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Manwe Todako
Repatriation Transportation Services
306
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Posted - 2013.11.02 13:49:00 -
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I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all." SANKOFA |
Valkarth Tlakotani
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:03:00 -
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Hello Having been lost in space for years, I return to find New Eden as vital and spiteful as ever. My faith in humanity has been restored. I take exception however to the belief that only criminals can be found here. Greetings, Cardinal Graelen, it is good to see the word is still with us.
Valkarth Tlakotani ex-GHSC |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1167
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:54:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."
Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed.
Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Manwe Todako
Repatriation Transportation Services
306
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:20:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all." Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed. Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests.
For Spamming the IGS not the Summit. It was within Thessalonia's power to ban from the Summit, so that's what he did. At the time there was little if any posting on the Summit. My point stands that it had nothing to do with affiliation with Nation. Ston got under Thessalonia's very human skin and that led to the ban. Its all public record. SANKOFA |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2358
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:43:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:Stuff. Counterstuff.
You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship.
Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.
Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1804
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:57:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:Stuff. Counterstuff. You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship. Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned.
That ban was put up as a precaution for the duration of the wardec and was pulled down as soon as the war ended. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:18:00 -
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Just like a toaster to punish someone before the crime. I look forward to the day your component atoms are spread across space, along with the rest of your kind. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
198
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:22:00 -
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Of course, even considering the problems I've highlighted (and was summarily ignored, obviously) at least some scum has been kept out. Credit where credit's due.
At least the channel owner recognizes some of New Eden's worst inhabitants and remove them from the place. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2013.11.03 04:14:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add? Gallente vibrator? Ah, you mean this thorax model, because thorax is a gallentean ship and because it vibrates? Well, it is just a model to study exploitable weaknesses. What's wrong with it? |
Vincent Pryce
Stormcrows
101
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:25:00 -
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Ivanneth Maethor wrote:No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion.
You should do your research better, slave. Stormcrows as a corporate entity is not affiliated with the Mordu's Legion or any other entity for that matter. Each individual in this corporation has their own personal goals and loyalties. We define the corporation, but the corporation does not define us. Then again, I wouldn't expect a Nation slave to comprehend or to be able to handle the concept. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |
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Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
71
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:38:00 -
[141] - Quote
Irony overload. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
902
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Posted - 2013.11.04 06:47:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Just like a toaster to punish someone before the crime. I look forward to the day your component atoms are spread across space, along with the rest of your kind.
Note to self: Some people take moderation abuse very seriously. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
270
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:09:00 -
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I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
This channel does not in the slightest hold assembly of any legal parties in accordance with CONCORD standards. I think it's about time we stop associating with a pen of pirates. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:14:00 -
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Gaggles of gawkers. Flocks of fappers. Acres of asinine. Dires of derps. Why are we alliterating?
Besides, the channel in question was never an "official" channel. The official one is even less moderated. Less filled with undesirables oddly enough, but less moderated. |
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
145
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:13:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
This channel does not in the slightest hold assembly of any legal parties in accordance with CONCORD standards. I think it's about time we stop associating with a pen of pirates.
Anyone who thought The Summit was a home only for people who pay CONCORD's bills is an idiot. It never has been and I doubt it ever will be. It is a place for capsuleers (and DUST mercs these days too, I suppose) to speak as equals and to discussion completely relevant topics like what I should have for dinner tonight?
Pizza with a side of Nanites, or Nanite and Garlic Soup?
~Hikari |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:51:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity. I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
Oh look, this catchrag is still posting.
Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing.
I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.
If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
211
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:06:00 -
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Ah, so there's the famed class and dignity of Amarrian nobility. Remarkably similar to the outraged squealing of the outer colony "ladies" having a tiff with other girls of lower standards. I expected more from someone that claims a higher class. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
466
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:08:00 -
[148] - Quote
That reply alone was worth keeping an eye on this thread. Now it just seems that my rib isn't fully healed yet. Still, think I needed that hearty laugh. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
112
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:09:00 -
[149] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:Ah, so there's the famed class and dignity of Amarrian nobility. Remarkably similar to the outraged squealing of the outer colony "ladies" having a tiff with other girls of lower standards. I expected more from someone that claims a higher class.
Odd.
I found his response apropos. Then again, I dont have much patience for traitors. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1262
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:19:00 -
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Ivanneth Maethor wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote: Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties. So entirely disgusting... Yes, we're lacking Gallente and Minmatar representation. No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion. There's also a lack of representation from the Sisters of EVE, I believe, and SOCT. I would not expect CONCORD representation du to their neutrality.
Rest assured, my loyalty is now, and ever will be, to my Clan, my Tribe, and the Republic.
If it ever comes to a conflict of interest (Mordus or Minmatar, or whoever and Minmatar, for that matter) everyone here is well aware that my choice will be to side with my kith and kin... or did everyone forget about the last time I made this choice?
I am here because I have things I need to do, not because I have suddenly decided to "Switch teams". It is a temporary assignment (and a break from 3 years of factional warfare)
Carry on. |
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