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Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:47:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:"Its their game they make the rules everybody who feels disappointed about how things are handled is a whiny *****" yup we got it, had it several times in this thread already. About as many times as people have posted the EULA section that Somer's supposedly violating.
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
272
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:49:00 -
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Protovarious wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:"Its their game they make the rules everybody who feels disappointed about how things are handled is a whiny *****" yup we got it, had it several times in this thread already. About as many times as people have posted the EULA section that Somer's supposedly violating.
You didnt pod me yet by the way |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:50:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:You didnt pod me yet by the way You can't always hear the fart that hits ya later
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:55:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it.
Already did when the issue came up (damned long-term subscription plans...).
Can't really say I regret it, given the only people left will be gambling-addicted sheep.
Eve lives and dies with its playerbase - now if that solely consists of simpletons being to dumb to call a phone-sex hotline when they feel lonely and fire up eve instead, it's not a big loss. You know... morons. |
Frying Doom
3122
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:17:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it. Actually EvE would exist better without the likes of you,
You want "redacted" fine. You want a game where the EULA means nothing, fine. You want a game that will die as other players don't want that fine.
Go and find that game, not one that players have spent years of their lives in, and "redacted" and rampant EULA violations mean that all that time was for nothing at all. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
AnUnskilled Pilot
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:30:00 -
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CASH OUT NOW
I just got off the phone with a Markee representative, they said they are having more sales in the past 24 hours than in the past 6 months. It's essentially going to be first come first serve. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
215
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:32:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:CASH OUT NOW
I just got off the phone with a Markee representative, they said they are having more sales in the past 24 hours than in the past 6 months. It's essentially going to be first come first serve. lol |
Frying Doom
3123
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:33:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:CASH OUT NOW
I just got off the phone with a Markee representative, they said they are having more sales in the past 24 hours than in the past 6 months. It's essentially going to be first come first serve. /sarcasm
Oh no Somer isn't involved in "redacted" Somer isn't a business operating in breach of the EULA
NEVER!!!
Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
153
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:49:00 -
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Dudley Schwartz wrote:Since when did other known RMT'ers get 10 days to stop what they're doing? They did not, what they did receive was a permanent ban, which is exactly what should happen in this case. Even more so now that BLINK has shown lack of respect for the community by cashing out fast and abusing the system even more; making us and CCP look like total idiots.
This is really interesting.. a part of the puzzle that is strange. The less things make sense the more interesting it is to find out what went down to make it a certain way.
-- of course , I'm not talking about the health of the game but my love for getting answers behind things that on the surface look irrational... Intrigue ? barter? black-mail ? was a high level CCP employee involved with an Amaarian or Minmatar child ?
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Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Actually EvE would exist better without the likes of you,
You want "redacted" fine. You want a game where the EULA means nothing, fine. You want a game that will die as other players don't want that fine.
Go and find that game, not one that players have spent years of their lives in, and "redacted" and rampant EULA violations mean that all that time was for nothing at all.
RMT has been around since MMORPGs were created. It is better controlled and regulated by CCP better than any game developer in history. As it stands, other developers are adopting CCP's PLEX model for in-game currency.
You are not CCP. Stop playing the victim for their behalf.
Your tinfoil hattery and over-dramatization of this issue is indicative of the problems that have gone on for years in game because people like you want to turn Jerry Springer and see the next T20 so you can say that you were apart of the big conspiracy back in (insert date here) . If you spent half of your posts on subjects that make a difference in the game rather than try to make CCP out to be some kind of red devil with a halo, you MIGHT be a constructive part of the community.
As you prefer to waste your time on issues that just makes you appear to be the person on the megaphone leading a civil rights march because you feel personally violated, you are not a part of the solution, but part of the problem. |
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:56:00 -
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Fresh from their official channel:
http://i.imgur.com/BRNBOzY.png
Somer: winning Eve's RMT metagame, one degenerate gambler at a time |
AnUnskilled Pilot
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:57:00 -
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I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit, converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:59:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit, converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol yep, Somer's really going balls-out with the RMT. you paid them less than 8 bucks to get all that free loot
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
493
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:01:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit, converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol yep, Somer's really going balls-out with the RMT. you paid them less than 8 bucks to get all that free loot If anyone ever had any doubt that this was an RMT operation, it should be completely gone now. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
153
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:02:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit, converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol
Don't 4 60 days convert to 8 plex? ...... . |
AnUnskilled Pilot
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:06:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:I bought 4 60 day GTC giving me 5 billion in blink credit, converted it to 7 plexes and a zealot contrated to jita lol Don't 4 60 days convert to 8 plex? ...... I mean normally without SOMER involved at all ?
yeah but you need to buy every slot on the plex, I couldnt click to win them all fast enough |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:16:00 -
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Protovarious wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Actually EvE would exist better without the likes of you,
You want "redacted" fine. You want a game where the EULA means nothing, fine. You want a game that will die as other players don't want that fine.
Go and find that game, not one that players have spent years of their lives in, and "redacted" and rampant EULA violations mean that all that time was for nothing at all.
RMT has been around since MMORPGs were created. It is better controlled and regulated by CCP better than any game developer in history. As it stands, other developers are adopting CCP's PLEX model for in-game currency.
Names?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
237
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Pretty sure.... Yup, pretty sure that EVE Online would still happily exist if everyone who ever whined about this entire SOMER thing quit all their accounts right now. So please go ahead and quit, with this amount of whining I'm sure the community will be better for it. Actually EvE would exist better without the likes of you, You want "redacted" fine. You want a game where the EULA means nothing, fine. You want a game that will die as other players don't want that fine. Go and find that game, not one that players have spent years of their lives in, and "redacted" and rampant EULA violations mean that all that time was for nothing at all.
*sigh*
I don't want any of that, but I'm a realist. There's no point in wishing for something when realistically it's never going to happen.
Once again, RMT is already legally incorporated into the game by CCP in the form of PLEX. It doesn't matter one bit where the money for said currency goes. A player gets a financial boost in-game and whether that currency comes from China, Somer or CCP makes no difference what-so-ever. The only difference is where the real money ends up. CCP accepted that RMT is part of their game but apparently the players didn't. And yes the RMT works both ways since it's just as easy to cash out your EVE assets as it is to cash in. The latter not being legal, obviously. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a large scale.
The EULA, strictly speaking, is a set of ruled set up for the end user. Since CCP is the entity who created those rules they are also the entity who are able to change them whenever they want. You can demand CCP follow their own rules all you want, but if they really want to push something they'll just end up changing the rules to suit their needs. CCP has the power to create exceptions to the whatever rule they please. They looked at Somer and all the others sites and corps offering incentive for buying GTC and, as a company, decided that was an acceptable situation. Or maybe their interpretation of their own rules is different from the interpretation of the community. And between the two, I think the former knows best how the EULA is meant to be interpreted. Whatever the reason, CCP choose to accept the GTC situation as acceptable. And personally I believe that, since they are the game's creators, they have the right to make those kind of decisions. You may think it's unfair. But CCP is a company, not a government. And the EULA is a one way set of rules, not a democracy. The fact that CCP listened to the public outcry around Somer means they care. So be glad. They could just as easily have ignored the situation and be well within their right to do so.
And no-one wants EVE to die, but there are a lot of individuals playing this game who believe they are entitled to boss CCP around on matters like this. They believe that just because they pay a monthly fee they should be part of this pretend democracy and get an equal vote in everything. That their opinion is just as valid and important as the developers. That simply isn't true. As a gaming community we are blessed to have a developer who is willing to listen to us and consult us on so many different issues. I can honestly not think of any game developer who is as engaged with their customers as CCP. But somewhere along the line people started taking that engagement for granted. People take it for granted so much that when CCP goes "thanks for thinking along, but this is non of your business" people go on a complete rampage and demand to be listened to.
I can appreciate that people have a serious connection to a game some spent over 10 years of their life playing. But let's not lose focus and keep in mind that EVE Online is still a game. It's a piece of software, not real life. CCP is not a democratically elected government, they are a company with a bottom line to manage. You don't get to vote on a different company to take over EVE development next year (thank god). But if anyone insists on comparing CCP to our government body, I suggest comparing them with a dictatorship that is open to suggestions but reserves the right to throw them straight into the paper shredder.
That's my realistic view on things. Doesn't mean I agree with all of it. But if you want even the smallest remote possibility of any of this changing then try approaching the game developer, your 'dictator', with a little bit of respect. Paying $17,50 a month doesn't entitle anyone on the planet to treat a person the way some people around this place treat/talk to CCP developers. It's sickening, really. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:25:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote: Names?
Wildstar - Carbine Studios - Here
Runescape
Pathfinder Online
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
398
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:25:00 -
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Here you go, CCP, since you decide to censor me, despite the obvious support to my statements.
Because I am a Lou Reed fan, may he rest in peace.
Just a perfect day... Getting censored in G-D... And then, later... When the dictatorial ISD leaves... We will post again.
Just a perfect day... Feed the trolls in the G-D zoo... Then later... A blink or two... SOMER still milking the broken rules...
Oh...it's...such...a perfect day... I'm glad I spent it writing for you... Oh...such a perfect day... You just keep me trucking on... You just keep me posting on...
Just a perfect day... Problems all left alone... Complacent and ignoring facts... It's such fun...
Just a perfect day... You made your "favorites" above all else... I thought we were all supposed to... Follow the rules?
Oh...it's...such...a perfect day... I'm glad I spent it writing for you... Oh...such a perfect day... You just keep me trucking on... You just keep me posting on...
You're going to reap...just what you sow... Incarna wasn't enough...you need much more... It's clear transparency is not what you hold... Less than three years later...you just let it all go.
OPEN YOUR EYES, AND MAKE EVERYONE FOLLOW THE SAME RULES. BAN SOMER FOR THEIR INSULTS TO YOUR COMPANY, YOUR GENEROSITY IN GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO SHINE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TO YOUR PLAYER BASE.
Seriously, the complacency is ridiculous.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:28:00 -
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Protovarious wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote: Names?
Wildstar - Carbine Studios - HereRunescape Pathfinder Online
Well, that's nice. I've heard of Wildstar. Hope it works out. Runescape is dying. I know little about Pathfinder.
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Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:28:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
EDIT: Actually, never mind. It isn't the PLEX system that is bad. The PLEX system is pretty awesome. It isn't for every kind of game; and I have a hard time believing that many, if any developers would integrate it into their games exactly as is, but whatever. It is this particular situation that is bad.
So stop trying to derail this thread.
Are you actually reading these posts or are you just not able to wrap your head around the connection between RMT and PLEX?
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
61
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:42:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:CASH OUT NOW
I just got off the phone with a Markee representative, they said they are having more sales in the past 24 hours than in the past 6 months. It's essentially going to be first come first serve.
For all those Somer alts... I mean, "concerned individuals" arguing that only people who lost money on Somer Blink (I hadn't even heard of it until this scandal broke) could possibly be angry about this and that Somer's activities have no effect on the average Eve player, I want to point out that this is going to have a dramatic effect on the price of PLEX. Regular players uninvolved with Somer are suddenly going to find it much more difficult to pay for their accounts with ISK if people use their Somer ISK to buy up all the PLEX. Or alternatively, if all the people getting ISK from Somer buy PLEX and dump it on the market, then the price will drop dramatically for people buying PLEX to sell and get ISK but not choosing to through Somer. All because CCP decided to openly endorse and run cover for a blatant RMT operation in violation of the EULA. This is a tangible example of RMT hurting the game. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2013.11.02 02:00:00 -
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Protovarious wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
EDIT: Actually, never mind. It isn't the PLEX system that is bad. The PLEX system is pretty awesome. It isn't for every kind of game; and I have a hard time believing that many, if any developers would integrate it into their games exactly as is, but whatever. It is this particular situation that is bad.
So stop trying to derail this thread.
Are you actually reading these posts or are you just not able to wrap your head around the connection between RMT and PLEX?
Oh. so now you're switching gears and you think the PLEX system is bad, mmKay. A few posts ago, the PLEX system was a shining example of keeping RMT in check. Now you're raging because someone on the forums supposedly doesn't the connection see between the two. Or you're just attempting to trip me up with your superior debating skills. Or something.
In actuality, that person you're raging about understands that even a good system is subject to failure if the rule of law is ignored. In this case the rule of law would be that pesky old EULA that you're sick of seeing quoted. If the EULA had been applied consistently -- or if CCP had decided to give some sort sort of above-board official status before all this hit the fan -- would we be having this discussion? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5062
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Posted - 2013.11.02 02:28:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Protovarious wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
EDIT: Actually, never mind. It isn't the PLEX system that is bad. The PLEX system is pretty awesome. It isn't for every kind of game; and I have a hard time believing that many, if any developers would integrate it into their games exactly as is, but whatever. It is this particular situation that is bad.
So stop trying to derail this thread.
Are you actually reading these posts or are you just not able to wrap your head around the connection between RMT and PLEX? Oh. so now you're switching gears and you think the PLEX system is bad, mmKay. A few posts ago, the PLEX system was a shining example of keeping RMT in check. Now you're raging because someone on the forums supposedly doesn't the connection see between the two. Or you're just attempting to trip me up with your superior debating skills. Or something. In actuality, that person you're raging about understands that even a good system is subject to failure if the rule of law is ignored. In this case the rule of law would be that pesky old EULA that you're sick of seeing quoted. If the EULA had been applied consistently -- or if CCP had decided to give some sort sort of above-board official status before all this hit the fan -- would we be having this discussion? if it had never been figured out, would we? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.11.02 02:45:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Once again, RMT is already legally incorporated into the game by CCP in the form of PLEX. It doesn't matter one bit where the money for said currency goes.
You don't understand what people mean by RMT nor what makes RMT bad.
Using real money to buy ISK is not a problem. Nobody cares except a very small contingent of "OMG PAY TO WIN!" diehards.
The PLEX system CCP has is brilliant in that it allows $ -> ISK BUT NOT ISK -> $.
All the evils of RMT/gold farming arise when the ISK -> $ transaction is allowed. RMT is about ISK -> $, which PLEX DOES NOT ALLOW.
RMT leads to people doing anything they possibly can to exploit the game mechanics, account security, and any other method they can conceive of in order to gain ISK that they can then turn into $. They go to depths and extremes that people simply don't bother with when there is no way to get real $ out of the effort. THIS is what causes problems in games when RMT is rampant.
CCP's PLEX system is genius in that it satisfies the demand for $ -> ISK in a way that is under their control and using a system that greatly limits the ability for people to cash out ISK -> $ in the other direction. In no small part because there is an official, sanctioned method to do $ -> ISK. As any government will tell you, you cannot control illegal supply so long as the demand exists and is being unmet, no matter how hard you try. CCP has funneled the demand into a system they control.
That said, there are many arguments as to why the specific nature of Blink's RMT was not particularly bad for the game and did not cause many of the same issues that traditional RMT causes in an MMO game. Regardless, to claim that PLEX is RMT shows that you either don't understand what people mean by RMT or don't understand how PLEX works. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2013.11.02 05:16:00 -
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I heard a saying once, when you give greedy people something they become even more greedy,
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Frying Doom
3132
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Posted - 2013.11.02 05:17:00 -
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I think a great example of why Somers style of Bonus or any other non Plex "redacted" is bad for EvE
Exactly what Somer is doing right now, they are giving us a wonderful example of why businesses should not be allowed to operate in EvE and why "redacted" must be removed with all the speed and efficiency EvE security has shown in the past.
The other point is where the bloody hell is internal affairs? We have a company getting the nod from members of CCP in violation of the EULA and not a peep from internal affairs.
I mean why do they exist if not for this very reason? Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
477
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Posted - 2013.11.02 05:22:00 -
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What a load of typical forum crying.
If this really offends you and you feel that Somer are abusing a 10 day grace period, do what I am about to do.
Don't un-subscribe, that's a crybaby approach that is akin to throwing a tantrum in the corner. No-one likes tantrums, they just make you look stupid.
Instead, get IA's E-mail address. And send them a CLEAR, POLITELY WORDED, E-mail explaining why you feel Somer is abusing the EULA and the grace period given to ALL the GTC resellers (Not just Somer got 10 days, ALL of them did) and should be treated differently as a result. If IA then get 1000 well written E-mails all on the same point requesting a review of Somer and if Somer assets should be banned, I'm sure IA will actually look at the matter.
Quite frankly, other than Somer abusing the grace period, this is just a storm in a tea cup, and not worthy of note, so keep it on topic. Start ranting about how CCP are evil at IA, and you will get ignored. Make your point clear and concise and they will actually pay attention.
And as for CCP being silent to us, with the vitrol you are all spewing at CCP for actually shutting the loophole down, I don't blame them. They can't exactly do it any faster now they have given the 10 days notice. |
Frying Doom
3132
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Posted - 2013.11.02 05:28:00 -
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Internal Affairs [email protected]
Just FYI Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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