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Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here... While the rest of us just see it as a business trying to squeeze as much cash out of EvE before they are made to stop offering their 'bonus' and they lose most of the sales pie back to community sites.
And what is wrong with that? CCP is clearly allowing this. As they are allowing other "community" sites to pay in ISK for services which bring them ad revenue xD
Take down all the Killboards and Newssites
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
302
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:07:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here... While the rest of us just see it as a business trying to squeeze as much cash out of EvE before they are made to stop offering their 'bonus' and they lose most of the sales pie back to community sites. And what is wrong with that? CCP is clearly allowing this. As they are allowing other "community" sites to pay in ISK for services which bring them ad revenue xD Take down all the Killboards and Newssites Adblocker porblem solved. |
Frying Doom
3193
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:09:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:And what is wrong with that? CCP is clearly allowing this. Actually CCP is clearly giving people time to shut down, not time to exploit the system.
Also a large part of the problem is that CCP allowed this to begin with, allowing a income seeking business to set up a 'redacted' operation within EvE in the first place. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1085
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:10:00 -
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Two step solution.
Post a warning that RMT is a banhammer offence. Then permaban SOMER and everyone involved with the RMT side.
Offer an amnesty for anyone that bought RMTed Blink credits, with no consequence, as a one-off 'we turned a blind eye to this cheating so it isn't your fault.' https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Frying Doom
3193
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sounds like they want to keep their server running for as long as possible before they have to start begging for donations. Given a server that would easily run Somers activities is $250 a month and they have already made over $135,000 they have already gotten enough money to run their server for 45 years. They hardly need more money for server costs. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1881
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:19:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sounds like they want to keep their server running for as long as possible before they have to start begging for donations. Given a server that would easily run Somers activities is $250 a month and they have already made over $135,000 they have already gotten enough money to run their server for 45 years. They hardly need more money for server costs.
Citation needed for those figures please. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Frying Doom
3196
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:23:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sounds like they want to keep their server running for as long as possible before they have to start begging for donations. Given a server that would easily run Somers activities is $250 a month and they have already made over $135,000 they have already gotten enough money to run their server for 45 years. They hardly need more money for server costs. Citation needed for those figures please. See TMC and any major web-host provider.
I'm not your mum, there are links ect.. all over these threads. Go look. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1881
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sounds like they want to keep their server running for as long as possible before they have to start begging for donations. Given a server that would easily run Somers activities is $250 a month and they have already made over $135,000 they have already gotten enough money to run their server for 45 years. They hardly need more money for server costs. Citation needed for those figures please. See TMC and any major web-host provider. I'm not your mum, there are links ect.. all over these threads. Go look.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't care. I like SOMER, and I know what's transpired, and I don't care. I bought a tonne of GTC, not because I needed it, not because of the bonus, but because I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
12
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:32:00 -
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They spent all their money giving out free plex to advertise at Vegas. That investment probably won't pay too many dividends. |
Frying Doom
3199
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:38:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't care. I like SOMER, and I know what's transpired, and I don't care. I bought a tonne of GTC, not because I needed it, not because of the bonus, but because I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.
So for your tonne of cash you got a bigger pile of in game isk to go with it.
And you dont see why that would be a problem? or how one business doing that means that real community sites cannot actually fund their servers from GTC sales? Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1881
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:49:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't care. I like SOMER, and I know what's transpired, and I don't care. I bought a tonne of GTC, not because I needed it, not because of the bonus, but because I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.
So for your tonne of cash you got a bigger pile of in game isk to go with it. And you dont see why that would be a problem? or how one business doing that means that real community sites cannot actually fund their servers from GTC sales?
Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
378
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:15:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun. This fits the Eve way of ~life~ - "Hurray for me and **** the rest of yous..."
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
303
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:17:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't care. I like SOMER, and I know what's transpired, and I don't care. I bought a tonne of GTC, not because I needed it, not because of the bonus, but because I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.
So for your tonne of cash you got a bigger pile of in game isk to go with it. And you dont see why that would be a problem? or how one business doing that means that real community sites cannot actually fund their servers from GTC sales? Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun.
Well thats your choice then, no need to be mean to people who think different and say bad words to them. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1883
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:28:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't care. I like SOMER, and I know what's transpired, and I don't care. I bought a tonne of GTC, not because I needed it, not because of the bonus, but because I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.
So for your tonne of cash you got a bigger pile of in game isk to go with it. And you dont see why that would be a problem? or how one business doing that means that real community sites cannot actually fund their servers from GTC sales? Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun. Well thats your choice then, no need to be mean to people who think different and say bad words to them.
I don't remember using any bad words... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Frying Doom
3199
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:33:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun. This fits the Eve way of ~life~ - "Hurray for me and **** the rest of yous..." In this case it is **** the rest of you, the game and the community Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
305
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:34:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: I don't remember using any bad words...
Remiel Pollard wrote: I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can. I feel seriously offended |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1883
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:54:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: I don't remember using any bad words...
Remiel Pollard wrote: I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can. I feel seriously offended
I'm sorry for you. However, you still haven't demonstrated the bad word I used... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1883
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Guttripper wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun. This fits the Eve way of ~life~ - "Hurray for me and **** the rest of yous..." In this case it is **** the rest of you, the game and the community
Well, I don't think it's that way at all. I'm just making light of what I consider a massive over-reaction. It's all been quite amusing to witness. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Frying Doom
3200
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:10:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Well, I don't think it's that way at all. I'm just making light of what I consider a massive over-reaction. It's all been quite amusing to witness. Yes a business operating for profit in EvE Selling isk for cash in a round about manner. That business being given hundreds of billions in ships by CCP CCP breaking its own EULA for that business That business invading Fanfests, EvE Vegas and more That business having a direct Skype to CCP Devs
Yes very amusing. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
RAW23
436
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:33:00 -
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Moira Ayindi wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here... While the rest of us just see it as a business trying to squeeze as much cash out of EvE before they are made to stop offering their 'bonus' and they lose most of the sales pie back to community sites. And what is wrong with that? CCP is clearly allowing this.
On the contrary, as soon as other people started doing what Somer has been permitted to do for more than two years CCP banned the practice. This is one of the big issues: it was so obviously against the letter and spirit of CCP's loudly proclaimed rules that mass participation in this behaviour was cracked down on immediately. But if it was so manifestly against the rules why was Somer's use of this technique not only silently permitted but directly endorsed?
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:39:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here... "Tin foil" my ass. They're just trying to make as much money as they can before they have to stop, and people are helping them. Most people don't understand what RMT is, and probably don't care, as demonstrated by the misconception shown here in this thread the CCP itself engages in it with its own PLEX system. All of this is beside the point that RMT -- running a for-profit business out of the game -- is against the EULA and always has been. There's nothing tin foil about that. CCP 'engages' in it themselves by owning the game, and being its developer, and collecting sub fees.
Exhibit A on display in the name of Remiel Pollard - many players don't understand what RMT is.
It's sad, but it is still beside the point.
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:44:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:They spent all their money giving out free plex to advertise at Vegas. That investment probably won't pay too many dividends.
I've never used Somer because I don't gamble, but if I did gamble, I'd be willing to bet that each and every one of those plex was bought with ISK from people who played on their site.
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm sorry for you. However, you still haven't demonstrated the bad word I used...
Remember this is an international game, and colloquialisms don't often span borders. I think you're having a translation-based misunderstanding here, taking the phrase "bad words" as meaning swearing, etc.; rather than the more literal "negative comments". I don't believe he is claiming you used foul language (which appears to be what you are assuming), but rather that you made derogatory statements about others.
Remiel Pollard wrote:Citation needed for those figures please.
As has been pointed out, it's been repeated frequently in this thread since the information was uncovered, but here is the relevant article: Somer Blink, A Somer Clone, and GTCs
According to the article, the ultimate source of the figures is Shattered Crystal, a GTC supplier who was SOMER Blink's partner before they moved to Markee Dragon. The figures cited are only for the period of time that Somer worked with Shattered Crystal, and do not include anything brought in during their dealings with MD. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
12
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:10:00 -
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You're probably right. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3222
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: CCP breaking its own EULA for that business .
EULA = END USER License Agreement. CCP isn't an End User. It's not some Bible of CCP conduct. CCP's only responsibilities are to it's own wallet.
CCP can use it's EULA for Toilet paper (they probably do....) and it's no one Else's business but their own. no amount of crying on CCPs forum about issues that have nothing to do with you is going to change that. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
13
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:56:00 -
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Technically, if CCP wanted to, they could make a separate agreement with Somer Blink allowing them to do things that we do not, but I hope they would charge more for that sort of license.
Also, they probably shouldn't do that.
But they CAN. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
72
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:22:00 -
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In an effort to assist a fellow gambling-based website in the EVE community, I have developed the following workthrough to help SOMER out once they are no longer able to offer ISK incentives to purchase GTCs through their website in order to fund their apparently exorbitant server costs:
http://myevelotto.com/blink
By adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:33:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote:In an effort to assist a fellow gambling-based website in the EVE community, I have developed the following workthrough to help SOMER out once they are no longer able to offer ISK incentives to purchase GTCs through their website in order to fund their apparently exorbitant server costs: http://myevelotto.com/blinkBy adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house.
wow looking at your lottery site, and the active lotterys for some reason it said scam to me. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
73
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:40:00 -
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Yup. I'm a scam. Because I host so many lotteries. [/sarcasm]
Hint: if you actually check the "about" section, you'll note that I do not host lotteries. I provide a service for others to host lotteries.
That being said, there's certainly a number of old lotteries I'd love to clean out of the system, but they're still "running" so my policy is not to interfere. If any hosts using my system are scammers, and you have proof, however, please let me know as they will lose access to the system. |
thorgil
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
6
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:52:00 -
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"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. "
enough said. I'm not even trying , i don't know why others could.
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Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2013.11.04 17:15:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: I don't remember using any bad words...
Remiel Pollard wrote: I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.
And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.
I never played Somer Blink (frankly I have no interest in it). What gets to me (and most people I think) is this hypocritical stance by CCP. They are some of the worst, medding, corrupt developers in the gaming industry. They are totally two faced. CCP's stance on RMT (for the last decade) is clear as day...whether its "real" RMT or whatever...RMT is RMT. Its again CCPs decision to irrationally gift SOMER and then their inability to admit fault. This isn't the first time they have done it.
I gain nothing. I lose nothing. I dont contribute to the community in anyway. I don't want their scorpions. This has no impact on me. But from a paying customer perspective... I don't wish to support a company with such a broken ethical code. This is not the initial vision they had for Eve.
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