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baltec1
Bat Country
8450
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:19:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:
None. As Suicide Ganking is too much as it is now.
30-40 freighters a month. Some of them worth 20bil+, most of them in the 3 to 7bil range... not to mention mission ships and mining barges. Ever looked at how many Mining Barges die? I have seen a dude yesterday already had killed 9bil worth of mining barges this month. Don`t believe me, check he KB.(i`d say who but i don`t want to target a specific group/corp) That`s a lot of unhappy miners. And his losses totaled 0.33bil. So he lost 330 mil while doing damage worth 9bil - as it only takes 1 ganker(max 2) to take out a mining barge safely. So as you can see, a lot more than 30-40 people are affected by this, not to mention the ISK damage caused to the victims.
Post the name.
Also its still 30-40 freighters a month, doesnt matter how much isk these morons stuffed into the holds its still a very very tiny number. Fewer mission runners get killed despite tens of millions of missions being run a month. CCPs own numbers show Mining barge ganking is at its lowest point in their history.
Where is this out of control ganking? |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1802
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:15:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:Imagine, an Universe where the innocent are actually protected by the Police(CONCORD) in the areas under Police(CONCORD) jurisdiction... blasphemy. But they are protected already. Unlike the ganker's looter, who can be shot freely without CONCORD intervention. Revenge on the attacker does not equal protection. Protection would mean actually protecting the victim, not acting as a revenge mechanic. CONCORD is just that, a revenge mechanic. To make it a protection mechanic the response time for CONCORD should be a random value. Sometimes it would just arrive in 2 seconds. Then it might protect people in some ganks, as it would arrive before the victim is destroyed. And it would not be PREDICTABLE as nobody would know if they arrive in 2 seconds or in 15. So i will say it again maybe the 4th time you read it(it was said before) you will actually get it. In its current state, CONCORD is not protecting anyone. You can calculate the exact response time based on the security status of the system, so any Suicide Ganker knows how much time it has to kill the victim. All they need is enough DPS. Then CONCORD shows up, kills the Suicide Gankers but leaves the loot intact, allowing the freighter associated with the Suicide Ganker team to scoop up the loot. It is a revenge mechanic, one that is not doing its job well as it is PREDICTABLE and does nothing for the Victim like locking its wreck down and destroying anyone stealing from it or whatever.
"Revenge" I don't think this word means what you think it means.
I believe the word you are grasping for is "punishment".
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Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:
None. As Suicide Ganking is too much as it is now.
30-40 freighters a month. Some of them worth 20bil+, most of them in the 3 to 7bil range... not to mention mission ships and mining barges. Ever looked at how many Mining Barges die? I have seen a dude yesterday already had killed 9bil worth of mining barges this month. Don`t believe me, check he KB.(i`d say who but i don`t want to target a specific group/corp) That`s a lot of unhappy miners. And his losses totaled 0.33bil. So he lost 330 mil while doing damage worth 9bil - as it only takes 1 ganker(max 2) to take out a mining barge safely. So as you can see, a lot more than 30-40 people are affected by this, not to mention the ISK damage caused to the victims. Post the name. Also its still 30-40 freighters a month, doesnt matter how much isk these morons stuffed into the holds its still a very very tiny number. Fewer mission runners get killed despite tens of millions of missions being run a month. CCPs own numbers show Mining barge ganking is at its lowest point in their history. Where is this out of control ganking?
I really don`t want to single people out, but i`ll quote this from a recruitment post:
Quote:We Gank Because We Care is a newly formed corp but already reached stunning results: 125B destroyed in September 182B destroyed in October (killboard)
This was all done with 4 (four) players and we weren't whored on blob kills, all our kills are ours, no other corp has part in them.
In case you are wondering what they killed, its exhumers and mining barges.
Stats for one of their pilots:
Ship ClassKilledLost Capsule 4032 Destroyer 2 546 Exhumer 581 0 Frigate 3 0 Industrial 3 0 Mining Barge 3630 Rookie ship 0 19 Stealth Bomber10
In case anyone has problems reading that, he killed 581 exhumers, 363 Mining Barges, 403 capsules while losing 546 destroyers.
He destroyed ships in value of 173,608,835,507 ISK while losing 5,008,476,615 ISK. That translated to: his victims lost 34 times the ISK he lost. His Killboard efficiency is 96.4%
His deaths are mostly cause by CONCORD and other NPC factions.
If this does not paint a clear picture of what is going on i don`t know what does.
This is just ONE person, that ganked 1000 people in 2 months. One person. One. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15661
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:42:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:
None. As Suicide Ganking is too much as it is now.
30-40 freighters a month. Some of them worth 20bil+, most of them in the 3 to 7bil range... not to mention mission ships and mining barges. Ever looked at how many Mining Barges die? I have seen a dude yesterday already had killed 9bil worth of mining barges this month. Don`t believe me, check he KB.(i`d say who but i don`t want to target a specific group/corp) That`s a lot of unhappy miners. And his losses totaled 0.33bil. So he lost 330 mil while doing damage worth 9bil - as it only takes 1 ganker(max 2) to take out a mining barge safely. So as you can see, a lot more than 30-40 people are affected by this, not to mention the ISK damage caused to the victims. Citation needed.
So are you changing your mind again and saying it's now not rare? |
Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:55:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:
None. As Suicide Ganking is too much as it is now.
30-40 freighters a month. Some of them worth 20bil+, most of them in the 3 to 7bil range... not to mention mission ships and mining barges. Ever looked at how many Mining Barges die? I have seen a dude yesterday already had killed 9bil worth of mining barges this month. Don`t believe me, check he KB.(i`d say who but i don`t want to target a specific group/corp) That`s a lot of unhappy miners. And his losses totaled 0.33bil. So he lost 330 mil while doing damage worth 9bil - as it only takes 1 ganker(max 2) to take out a mining barge safely. So as you can see, a lot more than 30-40 people are affected by this, not to mention the ISK damage caused to the victims. Citation needed. So are you changing your mind again and saying it's now not rare?
You have the stats in the post above. Notice how much one person can do via Suicide Ganking. He is solo Suicide Ganking, cause 34 times the loss he takes in ISK. 34 times. If that does not show a problem what does? |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1802
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:15:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote: This is just ONE person, that ganked 1000 people in 2 months. One person. One.
Assuming that he is actually ganking (likely due to corp name), it is plausible that he is -10 and quite freely engage-able by all the other players in empire.
Why they choose to let obvious "bad people" fly around without consequence is the problem, not the fact that he chooses to shoot those people who are otherwise unaware of their surroundings.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1375
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:19:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
You have the stats in the post above. Notice how much one person can do via Suicide Ganking. He is solo Suicide Ganking, cause 34 times the loss he takes in ISK. 34 times. If that does not show a problem what does?
It doesn't show a problem. Picking targets wisely and being rewarded for doing so is not a problem. That's EVE, and moreso, that's life.
And aside from that, I really don't see how one person being better at the game than a bunch of other people means that whatever the good player happens to use or how he plays should be nerfed. It does mean that a whole bunch of other people need to raise their own personal bar though.
Take for instance, a well known figure on these forums, Cannibal Kane. His killboard is extremely efficient. Does that mean we need to nerf the Legion or the Bhaalgorn because that's what he uses?
No. It just means that he is good at EVE, and the people he is defeating so easily SUCK AT EVE ONLINE.
It's not his fault that other people are bad at this video game. It's their fault. They suffer for it. All is as it should be. |
Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Freedom Equality]
Take for instance, a well known figure on these forums, Cannibal Kane. His killboard is extremely efficient. Does that mean we need to nerf the Legion or the Bhaalgorn because that's what he uses?
The people he is attacking are in armed ships. You can`t compare a PVP player killing other PVP fitted ships with Suicide Gankers targeting ships that can`t even mount weapons and that have little to no defense.
I can`t see how you feel that is even remotely similar. Not to mention Cannibal Kane is not a griefer, he is targeting people that can actually fit weapons to their ships.
Are you actually saying that a person going after defenseless miners in High Sec griefing the **** out of them as they have no way to actually do anything but die deserves to have the same KB stats(efficiency wise) as one of the best PVP`ers in EVE? I mean come on...
They should make a special server for Suicide Gankers where only null sec systems exist and only Suicide Gankers get to fit weapons on their ships. I am sure they would love that. |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
590
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:34:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
The people he is attacking are in armed ships. You can`t compare a PVP player killing other PVP fitted ships with Suicide Gankers targeting ships that can`t even mount weapons and that have little to no defense.
You have obviously never seen what 5 hobgoblin IIs will do to an untanked destroyer.
EDIT: I'll also say that while a good number of kane's victims have "weapons" on their ships. They might as well not because the people using them are utter morons. |
tommy two feathers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 06:14:00 -
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all i know is when a group ganks you they dock up and let their alts salvage and usually stay docked till the timer winds down or even till the kill right goes away why not make make it never goes away in high sec till their ganked ! |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15661
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:02:00 -
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tommy two feathers wrote:all i know is when a group ganks you they dock up and let their alts salvage and usually stay docked till the timer winds down or even till the kill right goes away why not make make it never goes away in high sec till their ganked ! They already were ganked by Concord. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8450
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:44:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Freedom Equality]
Take for instance, a well known figure on these forums, Cannibal Kane. His killboard is extremely efficient. Does that mean we need to nerf the Legion or the Bhaalgorn because that's what he uses?
The people he is attacking are in armed ships. You can`t compare a PVP player killing other PVP fitted ships with Suicide Gankers targeting ships that can`t even mount weapons and that have little to no defense. I can`t see how you feel that is even remotely similar. Not to mention Cannibal Kane is not a griefer, he is targeting people that can actually fit weapons to their ships. Are you actually saying that a person going after defenseless miners in High Sec griefing the **** out of them as they have no way to actually do anything but die deserves to have the same KB stats(efficiency wise) as one of the best PVP`ers in EVE? I mean come on...They should make a special server for Suicide Gankers where only null sec systems exist and only Suicide Gankers get to fit weapons on their ships. I am sure they would love that.
Post the name of this guy and I will tell you how they can kill him. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8450
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:45:00 -
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tommy two feathers wrote:all i know is when a group ganks you they dock up and let their alts salvage and usually stay docked till the timer winds down or even till the kill right goes away why not make make it never goes away in high sec till their ganked !
We already do this at -10, what you want already happens |
baltec1
Bat Country
8450
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:53:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
This is just ONE person, that ganked 1000 people in 2 months. One person. One.
And our corp ganked 600 barges in two weeks and brought high sec to its knees with just 15. How? Every single one of them not only had no tank but they were also afk and fitting cargo expanders and almost everyone refused to attack us.
So again, post this guys name and I will go through his records and show you not only how he/she is killing them all but how to stop him/her from even trying. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1804
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: So again, post this guys name and I will go through his records and show you not only how he/she is killing them all but how to stop him/her from even trying.
I'm going to go with Mr. "Botmuncher Goblin", who has 101 kills this month (according to Eve-kill) -- though none of them are solo-kills -- he's usually flying with "Botslayer Goblin" (EDIT -- cursory glance at exhumers only). I don't know "how" ISK destroyed is calculated (is it final blow or just "involved in the kill"?) so things could potentially be skewed due to it counting things twice.
(no links because ~ISD~) |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
434
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:20:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:If this does not paint a clear picture of what is going on i don`t know what does.
Tells me there's a shedload of people out there who still seem incapable of fitting a tank and/or maintaining situational awareness.
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Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:43:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:If this does not paint a clear picture of what is going on i don`t know what does.
Tells me there's a shedload of people out there who still seem incapable of fitting a tank and/or maintaining situational awareness.
CCP has already decided how much tank a mining ship has to fit to mine in a system by adding rats to belts. The logic there was that if they can survive the rats there, they can mine. The downside of staying in High Sec for miners is clear - they mine the less lucrative minerals. The advantage for that should have been added safety and the need to fit a smaller tank
This is clearly not working right now. Because while a miner has enough tank to be able to mine in that belt, it doesn`t have enough tank to survive the a PVP ship with 8 guns attacking it. It does not survive because a mining barge was NEVER designed to survive a PVP ship attacking it. The players have found a way to exploit this and CCP has reacted by nerfing the Gankers time and time again.
However, it is still not effective, as you can clearly see. So CCP needs to look at it again and nerf it again until miners actually survive.
And no, you can`t expect a miner to go and kill his attacker, as he is a miner, a non combat profession, and already decided to lose a lot of profit by mining in High Sec, trading profit for protection.. However, at this point, he is trading profit for nothing as he is not protected.
Also, the miner does not care for combat, that should be clear, so providing him with a combat option is not good enough. Besides, even if he would have the combat skills to kill the ganker, he is not experienced in PVP AND he gains nothing from killing the ganker. His Mining Barge doesn`t come back to him if he killed the ganker.
Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
434
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:35:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:If this does not paint a clear picture of what is going on i don`t know what does.
Tells me there's a shedload of people out there who still seem incapable of fitting a tank and/or maintaining situational awareness. CCP has already decided how much tank a mining ship has to fit to mine in a system by adding rats to belts.
That's not how the sandbox works. And a decent mining barge has PLENTY tank to fend off a single attacker
You want a 100% safe high sec. You want consensual PvP.
I respectfully suggest: No. You are doing it wrong or rather horribly misinformed about the nature of this game. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
334
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:49:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge. Please stop. Miners already have all the tools to protect themselves: fit tank, use fleet bonuses, stay aligned and DO NOT afk. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1805
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:09:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge. Please stop. Miners already have all the tools to protect themselves: fit tank, use fleet bonuses, stay aligned and DO NOT afk.
also, pre-gank the ganker (assuming -10). |
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baltec1
Bat Country
8451
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:12:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge.
Miners have protection, lots of it but they chose not to use any of it. |
Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:12:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge. Please stop. Miners already have all the tools to protect themselves: fit tank, use fleet bonuses, stay aligned and DO NOT afk. also, pre-gank the ganker (assuming -10).
Yea, with a mining ship and no combat skills, or in a hauler.... good advice. Practical.
This is another problem, Suicide Gankers think their way(combat) is the only way to play EVE. That is wrong. And the other professions need more help to survive the combat toon, yes survive not have a way to get revenge.
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Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Freedom Equality wrote:
Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge.
Miners have protection, lots of it but they chose not to use any of it.
The average miner gets taken out by the average ganker all the time right now, and while you keep saying "miners should be more skilled" they are what they are. They decided not to fight so asking them to have PVP experience/skills is not really realistic in any way.
We need a way for the average miner to survive 50% of the time when ganked by the average ganker. As in, a mining barge costing 200mil should not be taken out by 2-3 destroyers costing 45mil before CONCORD gets there if the mining barge has a booster and 1-2 resist modules. That can be achieved by making the mining ships a lot more resilient or by speeding up CONCORD response. Or in any other way. But the gankers investment should be at least 70% of what he is destroying.
You will say that in PVP a small inexpensive ship should be able to take out a more expensive one and i agree. But not in High Sec and not before CONCORD responds.
If you are able to take out ships costing a few times more than the ships you use to take them out BEFORE CONCORD RESPONDS, they you should be nerfed. CCP agrees and has nerfed you already, they just didn`t go far enough.
If you feel you should be able to take out ships before CONCORD responds and only lose 10%-30% of what they lose, you need to stop dreaming. Of course, you can always go in low sec/null sec and take out titans in your rifter, that is fine as there is no protection mechanic failing to do its job there.
Griefers don`t need protection. Their victims do. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
334
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:33:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:This is another problem, Suicide Gankers think their way(combat) is the only way to play EVE. That is wrong. And the other professions need more help to survive the combat toon, yes survive not have a way to get revenge.
And again: fit damn tank on miners. Tanked (unbonused) Mack is very unattractive target, bonused one is just unprofitable to gank (read immune to gank outside of interdiction/hulkageddon events). Skiff and Procurer will simply be ignored on belts in Hi Sec.
Also you can summon CONCORD in belt with an alt in noobship and mine safely until it despsawns. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
334
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:50:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote: If you feel you should be able to take out ships before CONCORD responds and only lose 10%-30% of what they lose, you need to stop dreaming. Of course, you can always go in low sec/null sec and take out titans in your rifter, that is fine as there is no protection mechanic failing to do its job there.
Griefers don`t need protection. Their victims do.
You are mixing different words and their meanings. Suicide gankers != griefers. Griefing is punishable by ToS/EULA. Gankers do it for profit.
Also you forgot to factor in time that victim already spent on this and other belts and profit he made. If victim chose to have max yield in expense of tank - that means that he got more profit in same timeframe. Risk/Reward at its best. Ganking tanked Mack with 2 catas is barely profitable in a perfect (for gankers) conditions: 0.5 system with concord already spawned somewhere else, catas have all5 characters and apply their dps perfectly (they dont). |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
434
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Posted - 2013.11.07 16:03:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:We need a way for the average miner to survive 50% of the time when ganked by the average ganker. As in, a mining barge costing 200mil should not be taken out by 2-3 destroyers costing 45mil before CONCORD gets there if the mining barge has a booster and 1-2 resist modules.
fit the barges properly
In about 30 seconds I could whip a fit together that has well, well in excess of 100k EHP.
So lets assume a worst case of 20 seconds uninterrupted fire @600dps.
So that'd need a minimum of nine catalysts.
And my numbers are conservative, I suspect you could get the EHP nearer to 125k. And that's still with MLU fitted.
So, then, there is your way to survive most ganks. Perhaps trying actually tanking boats if you're worried about dying in a fire.
Of course, the cornerstone of eve is being able to make someone who doesnt want to die in said fire sooooo...yeah..... |
Freedom Equality
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 16:05:00 -
[387] - Quote
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Freedom Equality wrote: If you feel you should be able to take out ships before CONCORD responds and only lose 10%-30% of what they lose, you need to stop dreaming. Of course, you can always go in low sec/null sec and take out titans in your rifter, that is fine as there is no protection mechanic failing to do its job there.
Griefers don`t need protection. Their victims do.
You are mixing different words and their meanings. Suicide gankers != griefers. Griefing is punishable by ToS/EULA. Gankers do it for profit. Also you forgot to factor in time that victim already spent on this and other belts and profit he made. If victim chose to have max yield in expense of tank - that means that he got more profit in same timeframe. Risk/Reward at its best. Ganking tanked Mack with 2 catas is barely profitable in a perfect (for gankers) conditions: 0.5 system with concord already spawned somewhere else, catas have all5 characters and apply their dps perfectly (they dont).
Suicide Ganking IS the same as griefing for the victim. Don`t try and hide it.
The only difference is for the ganker, but for the victim it is griefing, so let`s call it what it is.
Also your argument if that you barely make money griefing miners and killing them before CONCORD shows up, while they lose 200mil+ ? At what point do you, the griefer, stand to lose as much as the miner, the victim? That`s right, never.
Do you even realize how it sounds? Do you expect CCP to help you grief people but not help them?
Also basing your defense on the fact that the miner made his ISK already.... what if he didn`t? This is not a valid point.
CCP has tolerated you and tried to tame you, but you always find new ways to grief people. This needs attention.
I will say it again in case you missed it, the only difference between Suicide Ganking and griefing is for the Suicide Ganker/griefer. For the victim, it is the exact same thing. It is illegally attacked and dies before CONCORD shows up losing a lot more than the attacker.
The attacker claims he is doing this for profit, but when Suicide Ganking a mining barge the profit is so small it is neglijable, pretty much any other profession in EVE nets more profit. So we may need to ask, why choose to do this for "profit"? Could it be that they state they are doing it for profit but in truth they are doing it for the griefing aspect?
This needs to be looked at, as i doubt the people griefing miners do it to get rich. Also, several events has been done where griefing the miner was the only point. No profit, just grief. |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
590
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:04:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
Also basing your defense on the fact that the miner made his ISK already.... what if he didn`t? This is not a valid point.
Why are we balancing the game around morons? You can throw a bolded tantrum about gankers not risking as much as their victims but you can't change the fact that EVE is about choices and consequenses and the miners chose to make themselves profitable to gank. And then they chose to not do anything that might cause to increase the losses the gankers suffer.
This is their fault, and no one else's, it is not CCP's job to play the gods damned game for you. So fit a tank or HTFU and go play something else. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
334
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:06:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:~lots of rubbish~ so you ignored the part where i wrote that properly tanked mack is not a target for suicide ganking and Orca with links and proper tank and remote reps will frustrate any gankers that didnt account for possible bonuses...
if you fail to understand that to combat group play you need to be sociable and find group for yourself - that game is not for you. Right now you are trying to suggest to implement arbitrary walls in a sandbox MMO to promote solo/afk gameplay.
There is 1 more thing you should try to understand: High Sec != (not equal) Safe. And should never be. if you want to be safe - do not undock. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8451
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:28:00 -
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Freedom Equality wrote:
The average miner gets taken out by the average ganker all the time right now
That's because the average miner takes zero steps to protect themselves |
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