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Takashi Kuritatomo
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
10
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:17:00 -
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So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).
Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.
First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?
Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.
Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.
Just curious.
- Tak |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:30:00 -
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War'dec types just always find something to complain about huh. A corp doesn't drop and there's still a problem.
I thought it was about the gudfites and fun, not the KDR and isk. What is this, Call of Duty suddenly?? |
Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
167
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:30:00 -
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E-honour doesn't exist. Using every tool available is how to Eve |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1030
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:00:00 -
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Why does this bother you at all?
Suiciding a faction BS is nothing other than a hilarious waste of ISK on their part. Thinking that your KB stats determine whether you won or lost a war is naive and egotistical. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
262
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:03:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Why does this bother you at all?
Suiciding a faction BS is nothing other than a hilarious waste of ISK on their part. Thinking that your KB stats determine whether you won or lost a war is naive and egotistical.
this Fighting is Magic |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1030
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:07:00 -
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Also, I'd bet a monocle that the reason they did it isn't because they care about making you look like you "lose the war", but because they thought it would be funny to see your reaction. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2577
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:07:00 -
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What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:41:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused.
TEST |
Markus Auralias
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
85
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:21:00 -
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OP, did you try having your citizen soldiers spam local? This is the best tactic for EVE conflict. |
Ibn Khatab
The Icarus Expedition
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:10:00 -
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Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc.
If I had to guess, I'd say this was the time while we were getting our fleet comp organized and still making mistakes. More commonly known as the part where you were winning the war. Adamantly we took some early losses, this was due to mistakes on our side, which we quickly rectified.
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote: Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).
First, this is an interesting statement considering that he left your corp because a good lot of your felt the need to bully a young man relentlessly. Secondly, the reasons given for the war to some of the well placed people within your alliance was because you "wanted a nightmare kill". Now, to set the record straight after you bullied the young man to the extent that his interest in the game began to wane, he was not "booted out of the corp" rather he left to join my corp.
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote: Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.
Actually we were only taking any real losses in the first engagement, after that our tactics were set and pilots taught a method that worked well the remainder of the war. "weaksauce" was you lot hiding in station behind our other war-targets, and this post in general.
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote: First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?
What happened here was simple, I undocked an orca with a maintenance bay full of shuttles. I then launched the shuttles, all 80 of them. Then I undocked in a noobship and shot at some random guy in the undock path. This caused me to get concorded, and for concord to subsequently kill each and every shuttle. This was for the pretty light show. It was good fun and got local, which was dead at the time, to get chatting again. Near the end of of that process, we noticed that one of your corp members had moved a tornado out of station and was getting in place to camp. So I undocked my orca again and dropped 80 more shuttles then we undocked and killed said tornado, that was a plain and simple guerilla style distraction method. Which I must say worked flawlessly, and we added another Tier 3 to our killboards. The 4th in 2 days as I recall.
Takashi Kuritatomo wrote: Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle. Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.
Actually, she was the second spy. The first is still in your corp and will remain there. The simple fact that you would allow someone into corp when they had such an obvious link back to us was pitiful at best. Most of us didn't expect it to work, and we've had many lolz about the fact that it happened. The purpose of that spy was simple to gather intel from places & times, when the other could not. Which she did with great success. I will admit that she wasn't able to get the Intel I most wanted but she provided many great insights. Now the Fleet Issue Typhoon we blew her up in, as Kahega Amielden said, was purely for the lolz and in hope of tears.
If our tactics were cowardly or desperate it is because they were catered to the war we were fighting. As soon as we started putting kills on the kill report you lot at frankenderp simply hid behind the war-targets which actually presented us with a challenge. We won't acknowledge we've been "bested" because we havn't we won the war, we made you look like idiots and cowards and now were back home in our WH. It was fun spending time out in empire killing people but it gets boring after a while. Get used to losing wars you'll be doing a lot of it in the future.
Now stop being so butt hurt, go back to training your fleet and teaching your pilots how to not do such stupid **** as mining during a war with a snake set in their head. This way the next time your lot are war-targets, we can use a proper set of tactics. That way we can play the game at our level and not yours. |
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Takashi Kuritatomo
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
10
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:39:00 -
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Now stop being so butt hurt, go back to training your fleet and teaching your pilots how to not do such stupid **** as mining during a war with a snake set in their head. This way the next time your lot are war-targets, we can use a proper set of tactics. That way we can play the game at our level and not yours.[/quote]
Actually, I'm not butt-hurt. I really didn't care either way; I just play a game and was curious as to what your reasoning on the things you did may have been and was looking for some insight. Now I know - and I appreciate your lengthy response, which gives me much to consider.
Oh - and yes, our guys (and myself) still have a lot to learn - which is why I ask questions. I'm also not always the most diplomatic (very busy with RL), which is why I have someone else in the corp handle diplomacy, so apologize if I sounded rude or whatnot in my original post.
Thanks!
- Tak |
ZheoTheThird
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
135
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:55:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused. TEST
Winning the ISK war since fountain
Come at me bro |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
193
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Posted - 2013.11.02 02:58:00 -
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ZheoTheThird wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused. TEST Winning the ISK war since fountain Come at me bro nobody cares, wrong thread to. |
Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now.
14
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:33:00 -
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Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).
Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.
First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?
Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.
Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.
Just curious.
- Tak The fact that they actually spent ISK just to get ahead on stats pages is ******* hilarious. What a waste of ISK hahahaaha |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
2641
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:37:00 -
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Ibn Khatab wrote:
What happened here was simple, I undocked an orca with a maintenance bay full of shuttles. I then launched the shuttles, all 80 of them. Then I undocked in a noobship and shot at some random guy in the undock path. This caused me to get concorded, and for concord to subsequently kill each and every shuttle. This was for the pretty light show. It was good fun and got local, which was dead at the time, to get chatting again. Near the end of of that process, we noticed that one of your corp members had moved a tornado out of station and was getting in place to camp. So I undocked my orca again and dropped 80 more shuttles then we undocked and killed said tornado, that was a plain and simple guerilla style distraction method. Which I must say worked flawlessly, and we added another Tier 3 to our killboards. The 4th in 2 days as I recall.
Just BTW...
That Shuttle spam thing can be petitioned. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
646
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Posted - 2013.11.02 05:21:00 -
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Posts war dec thread about defenders not admitting defeat. Complains that they are using dishonabru tactics. Declares that they don't care.
10/10 and a hat tip to OP for a refreshingly good troll thread.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:48:00 -
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Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).
Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.
First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?
Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.
Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.
Just curious.
- Tak
War decs and fun rarely go hand in hand
High sec is a shithole. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Garmon
Genos Occidere Frankenmouse
296
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:07:00 -
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MY CEO I like Duncan |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
624
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Posted - 2013.11.04 06:54:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:E-honour doesn't exist. Using every tool available is how to Eve
^^ Listen to this dude. He is doing it right.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
579
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:34:00 -
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We enjoyed our war with the new friends Frankenmouse got in their alliance.... You either love us or we hate you. |
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
102
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:52:00 -
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Those who base their success in Eve strictly on out of game tools like killboards deserve what happened to you. I don't know about you but that lost faction BS on your killboard will make other defenders in wardecs more confident and eager that they can take you on and send more ships into your grinder. Sometimes its the silver lining that gives the greatest reward. A true opponent would wear that loss with pride, especially with the story it has in your case. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
586
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:07:00 -
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When the faction BS popped, was the spy already outted? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Omega Crendraven
FW Scuad E C L I P S E
80
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:47:00 -
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Was this lame corp, the marmite collective? I herd Genos Occidere dunk them hard Except for someone derping their pod. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
513
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Posted - 2013.11.04 22:48:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Why does this bother you at all?
Suiciding a faction BS is nothing other than a hilarious waste of ISK on their part. Thinking that your KB stats determine whether you won or lost a war is naive and egotistical.
Kai86 used to do this when his corp was losing fights. Infiltrate the corp, blow up shiny faction battleships, "WIN" the ISK war. |
Luis Alejandro Flores
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.05 06:59:00 -
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lol at them being so desperate to win the isk war. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
637
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:22:00 -
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To be frank neither of your 2 sides are anything close to competent but is indeed hard to say wich of the 2 were the least entretainign to kill these last weeks, but If my memory serve sme right w ehave killed more mice than expeditioners. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2589
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:00:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:What's "losing"? How does one "lose" a war? I'm confused. TEST I should have been clearer. How does one lose a wardec? Clearly you can lose a nullsec war by losing your space, membership, status, epeen, etc. But how do you lose a wardec? |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:32:00 -
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Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:So, my corp recently wardec'd The Icarus Expedition. It started out looking like some good fun. They were fighting, talking smack, etc. Of course, we knew one of their members; he was an ex-corpmate who was really annoying and had to be booted out of our corp - and who continued to cause trouble (which is why we wardec'd his corp).
Anyway, as they started to lose more and more, they resorted to some pretty lame tactics. Now, I must first admit I'm a noob, our corp is new, etc. - but this just seemed to strike me as weaksauce.
First, they undocked a shuttle several times in a row for us to blow up. Presumably, bringing down the average kill value during the war?
Finally, they managed to get a spy in our corp - but that spy didn't have any access to anything, or the ability to feed them any good information because of the security we maintained (how they got the spy in was uncommon - we don't typically allow new members during a war) - but since the spy couldn't do anything, they gave the spy a faction BS - and blew it up. Thus, bringing them to the front of the isk battle.
Again, I'm new - do a lot of corps feel the need to resort to such cowardly/desperate means when losing a war? They can't just acknowledge they've been bested? We've lost a ton of wars when we first started, but never felt the need for such tactics.
Just curious.
- Tak
I would say two things. 1. Getting a spy in your corp during a war is pretty bad and easily avoidable. If anyone applies to your corp during a war, they are a spy. End of story. Even if they are not.
2. So they artificially increased your losses by blowing up their own faction battleship? I consider that a win. Sure it looks bad on your war history, but you know what really happened. And it will make a good story for future friends and allies. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
169
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:40:00 -
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Takashi Kuritatomo wrote:Now stop being so butt hurt, go back to training your fleet and teaching your pilots how to not do such stupid **** as mining during a war with a snake set in their head. This way the next time your lot are war-targets, we can use a proper set of tactics. That way we can play the game at our level and not yours.
Actually, I'm not butt-hurt. I really didn't care either way; I just play a game and was curious as to what your reasoning on the things you did may have been and was looking for some insight. Now I know - and I appreciate your lengthy response, which gives me much to consider.
Oh - and yes, our guys (and myself) still have a lot to learn - which is why I ask questions. I'm also not always the most diplomatic (very busy with RL), which is why I have someone else in the corp handle diplomacy, so apologize if I sounded rude or whatnot in my original post.
Thanks!
- Tak[/quote]
Yer good one fella seems like you dont care Either way. by the fact you came to the forums and made a post about it. shows you dont care at all..... |
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