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IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:59:00 -
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It sounds really glitchy but I can see it used in one scenario
I leave my alt on grid in a Algos with salvage drones while I occasionally loot wrecks it fails to when I tab over. I do this while running missions with my main. Yes it would be a lot less efficient than a Noctis but it requires a lot less attention. If someone is bored enough to suicide gank my Algos oh well it's a cheap destroyer and not a big loss.
Is this coming out in Rubicon? I saw it on the test server but it didn't even have a requirements tab on the info listing skills needed. |
IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:09:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:So, they don't run while you are off grid? Really? Tell me that's not intended. If it is, they will only join the Marauders' fates...sounds cool and all, but practically worthless to the very people that they were made for.
You're shocked that CCP made it where you actually had to be there and not just go dock up, eat lunch, come back and everything is done?
CCP has been moving towards making AFK gameplay difficult or impossible. I'll admit some of this has been at a cost to those that don't AFK. Examples are the drone aggro changes. |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:46:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:If current state is to punish AFK nobody who is not doing AFK will use it. So WTF is the point of even having this structure if I can just BM wrecks, make more of them for next hour and then just do tournee in my noctis as I currently would?
So either it really is bugged as hell or I am missing some piece of a puzzle that dev blog will reveal soon(ish) or it is a complete waste of resources.
I understand everyone wants to make ISK but CCP isn't going to make a module where you can AFK. The point of it is you can loot wrecks when you're not AFK.
Now if this module doesn't grab NPC aggro you could just deploy it at the start of the mission so while you're killing things the wrecks would be pulled to you. I'm not sure if it works this way since I haven't tried it on the test server. |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:28:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Edora Madullier wrote:
The funny thing is : it PROMOTES being AFK, since you have to be there while not doing anything (you killed the NPCs a long time ago, remember). So much fun indeed!
This exactly. The structure requiring you to be on grid promotes AFK probably more so than it not requiring you to be on grid because if you're not on grid, at least you're out doing something else. This thing takes so long to tractor that showing up in a MWD salvage destroyer (old school method) is faster than waiting on grid for this. I say again, if you're required to be on grid, it is useless and tractor drones would better serve this purpose.
"promotes AFK probably more so than it not requiring you to be on grid because if you're not on grid, at least you're out doing something else" Wow that's just too funny. So by you actually having to be present to get something in the game promotes you to be AFK... Maybe I can convince CCP that they need to make a module that completes missions for me while I'm not on grid?
As to the drones things I say again for every tractor drone you put out that would mean one less salvage drone so it's not useless
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IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:52:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:IIshira wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Edora Madullier wrote:
The funny thing is : it PROMOTES being AFK, since you have to be there while not doing anything (you killed the NPCs a long time ago, remember). So much fun indeed!
This exactly. The structure requiring you to be on grid promotes AFK probably more so than it not requiring you to be on grid because if you're not on grid, at least you're out doing something else. This thing takes so long to tractor that showing up in a MWD salvage destroyer (old school method) is faster than waiting on grid for this. I say again, if you're required to be on grid, it is useless and tractor drones would better serve this purpose. "promotes AFK probably more so than it not requiring you to be on grid because if you're not on grid, at least you're out doing something else" Wow that's just too funny. So by you actually having to be present to get something in the game promotes you to be AFK... Maybe I can convince CCP that they need to make a module that completes missions for me while I'm not on grid? As to the drones things I say again for every tractor drone you put out that would mean one less salvage drone so it's not useless 1) if you're sitting there waiting for the structure to pull in wrecks, then you're probably gonna walk away for a while. IE, you'll be afk... Think of it this way. It takes 2 minutes to pull in a wreck at max distance. Let's assume you have 20 at 10km, 20 at 40km, 10 at 80, and 10 at 100km. That is 2800 seconds or 46 minutes. Plus another 10 minutes for targeting. Are you gonna wait for that, or come back and use a noctis? 2) carry some tractor and salvage drones. Launch tractors to pull in wrecks, then launch salvage... You don't have to use both at the same time. Just because you can carry more than one type of drone doesn't mean you should use more than one type at a time.
I'm going to have my alt with salvage drones do it while it pulls all the wrecks in. I'll be running missions on my main so not AFK. It doesn't sound so great for use with just one pilot. Keep in mind CCP will buff and nerf it as needed. They're most likely going to release it on the weak side and buff it later.
Tractor drones do sound interesting and it would depend on how fast they pulled wrecks in. Salvage drones are horribly slow.
Players have gotten spoiled with the Noctis and it's bonuses to salvagers and tractor beams so now anything that's not as good just isn't good.
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IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:47:00 -
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Edora Madullier wrote:I'm relieved, CCP Fozzie stated on another topic that the unit not working while not on-grid with it was not intended. Quote:I'm going to have my alt with salvage drones do it while it pulls all the wrecks in. I'll be running missions on my main so not AFK. It doesn't sound so great for use with just one pilot. So if I get it right, you won't be actively using your alt, it will automatically salvage with drones while you do something else with your main? Which means, basically, that you'll be "AFK" so to speak with that account and earning ISK. Bad! Bad!
The acronym AFK is short for "Away From Keyboard". On a Windows computer if you hold the ALT key while pressing TAB it allows you to switch between windows. While I'm killing stuff with one character the other will salvage. When I get a pause in aggro then I can do the ALT + TAB to change windows and collect my loot. This is not the same as me going setting up a structure that can just do all the work for me while I'm not at the computer or maybe even not logged on. I guess PI is already an AFK way to make ISK but for some reason CCP allows this while making others not possible. |
IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:55:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:IIshira wrote: Tractor drones do sound interesting and it would depend on how fast they pulled wrecks in. Salvage drones are horribly slow.
Players have gotten spoiled with the Noctis and it's bonuses to salvagers and tractor beams so now anything that's not as good just isn't good.
To the first part: The way I envision it is that each drone can tractor at a certain speed that changes based on skill level and all five drones together at Lv5 are about the speed of an unbonused T1 tractor. T2 drones would be about the speed of a T2 tractor at Lv5. The tractors would maintain a slight speed advantage though. To the second part: Absolutely. The Noctis came along and completely obsoleted every single other way of salvaging that has ever existed. If anything I'd say the Noctis is OP at what it does and leaves zero room for further expansion of the salvaging line.
Yea when I first saw the Noctis I was thinking this should be a T2 ship with the huge bonuses it gets. It definitely made the Marauder obsolete when it comes to looting and salvaging. |
IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:58:00 -
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Darth Mam wrote: I can't honestly think a viable usage of this lame *** structure the way it's implemented now....oh wait.... could it be done especifically for gate campers??? again a looting structure for pvp purposes???? COME ON!
Would this be a bad use of this device?
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IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.04 17:09:00 -
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I was trying to explain what AFK was because you seemed confused about what it meant. You can't be "Away From Keyboard" when you're "At The Keyboard" ATK?
Me walking away from my computer and leaving Eve running to do something is not the same as ALT TABing between Eve clients to do stuff. If that were the case everyone dual boxing missions would be AFK. |
IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:33:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote: EDIT: MTU#2 still hasn't looted the wreck that's 3.5km from it but is pulling in ones from MTU #1 at 107km away. Not the most efficient and think my Noctis will still be seeing some love.
So basically CCP gave it the drone AI... I don't know how many times I've had to redirect my light drones because they wanted to attack a battleship rat 50km away instead of the frigate 5km away that's warp scramming me LOL |
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IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:52:00 -
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I'm not too excited about anything that automates gameplay. Why not just a "Automatically complete mission" button where you don't have to undock and the mission is done with all loot/salvage placed in your hanger?
I understand most consider the PVE content of Eve just as a method to gain ISK but sometimes I actually like to do it. Add content to it.... Don't make it more like PI where it's walk away and forget. At least with mining you have to watch for gankers. |
IIshira
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:02:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:IIshira wrote:I'm not too excited about anything that automates gameplay. Why not just a "Automatically complete mission" button where you don't have to undock and the mission is done with all loot/salvage placed in your hanger?
I understand most consider the PVE content of Eve just as a method to gain ISK but sometimes I actually like to do it. Add content to it.... Don't make it more like PI where it's walk away and forget. At least with mining you have to watch for gankers. If you ask me, it's not much different than a mining barge. You have to tell it to start, but apart from that, you can walk away for a while, then come back and take the ore to station and come back. Not much difference from a mobile tractor. It requires some involvement.
With a mining barge you have to be in your ship for it to mine. If you eject from the ship to go do something else it will stop mining. Yes even though you're not supposed to people AFK mine but there's a risk that you can get ganked. Maybe this is why CCP is allowing other players to attack these things without CONCORD intervention? |
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