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nixta
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Posted - 2006.02.09 04:14:00 -
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How do I fit an Apoc against Angel rats?
Anyone have a good fitting strategy.
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Myal Terego
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Posted - 2006.02.09 06:43:00 -
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7x megapulse II 1xheavy nos 100Mn AB named or II 2 x cap recharger 1x webber 1x heatsink II 2x expl hardener 1x kinetic hardener t2 large repper cap relay, and RCU II.
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Paigan
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Posted - 2006.02.09 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Paigan on 09/02/2006 08:51:40 Depends on what you do.
For everything in 0.1 sec or higher (=no BS), medium guns are the better choice because all you encounter is cruisers or frigs which can be hit better with mediums. You also don't need as much Cap rechargers and can invest the slots for range/tracking stuff.
For 0.0 hunting i would recommend something like the above, too.
...although i want to add that not EVERYONE has skills to use T2 weapons, dear high-skill0rs. Especially people that ask basic questions like this are very likely to NOT being the uber pro at T2 skills.
Those general advices of "just fit the ship full with T2 and faction stuff with your assumed 20+ mil SP" posted on basic/noob questions are very joyful every time. -- This game is still in beta stage |
Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.02.09 10:37:00 -
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keep in mind that angel bs tank em and thermal pretty well and are weak against explosive quite frankly the apoc isn't the best bs to use against angels, ravens (wow big surpise there) and tempests are better for this specific task. the angels tank will be less if you nos them
my angel bs killing apoc:
5 mega pulse/multi freq, 1 heavy nos, 2 malkuth siege/bane torps 100mn t2 ab, x5 webber, 2 eutetic cap rechargers 2 large t2 reppers, 1 t2 exp hardner, 1 n-type kin hardner, 1 n-type therm hardner, 2 cap relays
explosive drones
this is a tight fit, can't use better sieges or hardners because i lack the cpu
the thermal hardner is for the occasional cherubims (and the other bs that does therm dmg) if you don't fit that you will most likely have to run from those thermal bs
if you can't use t2 use the best named you can get
--------------------------- My opinions are my own and not nessecarily those of my corp or alliance.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2006.02.09 10:39:00 -
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Angels are weakest to explosive damage, and strongest vs em \ thermal so apoc isnt really the best choice here. It simply takes too long to kill a spawn. I allways used a raven vs angels, worked like charm.
But most of Angel rats do come close, so megapulse \ web is the best choice here. I would even reccomend dual heavy pulse because of better tracking. ---------------------- I got pwnt by the giggling admiral BiH 4tw |
Tootz
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Posted - 2006.02.09 13:13:00 -
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As the other guys have pointed out, lasers aren't great against Angels. Instead of retraining for another Race's ships tho, you could just start to train another Turret type - projectiles is usually a good choice for Amarr ships. It shouldn't take you long to train up large projectiles and then you can just replace the usual Megabeams/Pulses with Artillery/Autocannons.
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Issalzul
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Posted - 2006.02.09 18:35:00 -
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Requires decent bit of skills, but here's my (experimental) setup so far.
6x 800mm autos (or 6x1400mm howies, depending) 2x Cruise w/explosion missiles
4x Cap Charger IIs
2x Large reppers (acco) 4x T2 Hardeners (2x explosion, Kin and therm) 1x Cap relay
5 Med Explosion drones 5 Light Explosion drones
With good cap skills (and bs4, I think) you can maintain that indefinetely, but chances are you'll only need the 2nd repper in bursts.
Also to note is that this setup is to duo lv4s with a tempest. I tank, he blows stuff up.
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NEvara
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Posted - 2006.02.10 10:44:00 -
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You might wanna think if you can use t2 pulses of getting closee range crystals t2 they can bring down angels much easier than t1.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.02.10 10:54:00 -
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Basically some people argue to use different guns to shooot angels but i feel lasers are fine they might take you a little longer but they use no ammo, so the extra time killing them is saved by not having to get more ammo and also having more cargo bay for loot
One thing you simply must do though is fit 3 hardners for all damage types except EM (em resists are 60% as standard)
My fitting is something like
6 MPII w/MF, 2 Malkuth Heavys (for da frigs) 1 100MN Ab, 1 Web, 2 cap charger twos 1 Explosive T2, 1 Thermal T2, 1 kinetic T2 active hardner 2 accomodation vestments (large armour rep twos suck too much cpu), and two CPR's
Seems to do the trick against angels (the ab is there to get into range and web to stop them running)
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padraig animal
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Posted - 2006.02.10 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: padraig animal on 10/02/2006 14:19:06 Ok so i use OLD 8x mega pulse large 1x ab 3x t2 cap recharger 2x large accom repairer 4x n-type hardener 1x cap relay but i was thinking of changing to this can you tell me what you lot think this new set up is after reading all the threads on apoc NEW 6x mega pulse large 2x cruise missile launcher 1x ab 1x web 2x t2 cap recharger 2x large accom repairer 3x hardeners 1ex 1th 1xkin 2x cap relay so is this set up ok also would i be best with mega pulse or mega beam thanks.
sorry this is for killing angel rats in pator thanks.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.02.10 14:51:00 -
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Why not use artilleries or AC's instead?
The bonus? Only reduce cap use of lasers.. Projectile guns use even less than any laser fitted on an Apoc. And the other bonus still applies. Yes, you might lack some tracking and RoF, but that is easily compensated by fitting apporpiate modules.
Anyways, just a thought
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.02.10 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Why not use artilleries or AC's instead?
The bonus? Only reduce cap use of lasers.. Projectile guns use even less than any laser fitted on an Apoc. And the other bonus still applies. Yes, you might lack some tracking and RoF, but that is easily compensated by fitting apporpiate modules.
Anyways, just a thought
i can only use large lasers other than that the ammo use of projectiles is a major downside conisdering all the loot i can cary without ammo other than a set of crystals. One option i have is to fit neutrons but megapulse have better range and use less cap with BS5 so i may aswell stick with them..
True it takes you longer to wtfpwn the rats but megapulse II have easily enough damage output to kill all the angel rats ive come accross without needing ammo.
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nixta
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Posted - 2006.02.10 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: nixta on 10/02/2006 15:30:28 Thanks for the replies.
I am thinking about this fitting, would it be doable? mega modulated beams 4 CR t2 1 large rep t2, 1 med rep t2, 3 N-type harderners, 2 CPR. t2 med drones to deal with frigs,cruisers
Can this tank them easily? , I am not worried about how long it takes to kill them. More worried about if I can tank their dmg.
And for switching to AC or proj is not an option. I am in deep space and carrying ammo down there once in a while isnt an option at the moment.
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