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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.05.06 13:10:00 -
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See relevant Tempest threads, as the Machariel is pretty much that. I'll give you a hint, though: the extra low slot is not for fitting more warp core stabilizers.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 14:08:00 -
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why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost
2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage.
ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
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Ben Hump
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Posted - 2006.05.06 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost
2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage.
because if it fits use it and i think there is a diffrent in tracking speed (not sure)
May contain traces of irony "Yes Mister Tristan"
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Hump
Originally by: Chode Rizoum why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost
2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage.
because if it fits use it and i think there is a diffrent in tracking speed (not sure)
but on dual 650 setups.. you cant use dual nos and dual rep.. and mwd and cap injector...
ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
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Matrices Sunbound
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Posted - 2006.05.06 20:42:00 -
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When I first saw the difference of dps between 425mm and 650mm was about 20 dps I thought 425's would be the better choice since they use less grid and have better tracking. But When you are fighting a well tanked Bs they will boost/rep around 10,000 armour or shield. Then the difference in time it takes to kill 10,000+6000 hitpoints with good resistances becomes a minute or two which is a very big difference.
ofc this is assuming you are one on one against another bs which is a narrow possibility. Against a cruiser or something with a smaller number of hitpoints 650mm would shine even more because you probably wont need to reload. And often people calculate the dps of Ac's taking reload time into account making guns with a smaller clip less effective.
Being more realistic, assuming you are in a small gang 800mm would be the better choice because the target should be dead before you have to reload unless your gang really stinks
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Krazy Cheetah
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Posted - 2006.06.05 03:13:00 -
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Ok I keep reading different info on the Machariel set ups I am 7 months into the game I have a Mach and am trying to figure out what it is better at Shield vs Armor tank ( i shield tank now and do fine in pve) and Long range vs Short range for the guns ( i love my 1400s). So can someone sum it up for me on this, or is it truly an issue of preference one this ship for both tank and range. I actually went back to my tempest because I know exactly what to fit that with and how to fly it. I know i can use the Mach as a tempest with and extra low slot but is it really the best way to do it.
Excuse me for being a n00b any help is appreciated
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Morlock
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Morlock on 29/07/2006 09:48:28
Originally by: Krazy Cheetah Ok I keep reading different info on the Machariel set ups I am 7 months into the game I have a Mach and am trying to figure out what it is better at Shield vs Armor tank ( i shield tank now and do fine in pve) and Long range vs Short range for the guns ( i love my 1400s). So can someone sum it up for me on this, or is it truly an issue of preference one this ship for both tank and range. I actually went back to my tempest because I know exactly what to fit that with and how to fly it. I know i can use the Mach as a tempest with and extra low slot but is it really the best way to do it.
Excuse me for being a n00b any help is appreciated
Summary - Two options:
1. Shield tank + long range 2. Armor tank + short range
You can't mix the two due to powergrid issues when using long range (1400s) that needs the low slots to be filled with PDUs instead of armor tanking.
For pve, I'd prefer long range for the safe factor and ease factor, but for pvp, you want short range, since your target can simply warp off if not scrambled. Also, short range does approx. 30% more damage with a longer tank.
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Wrayeth
PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:51:00 -
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(UN)HOLY NECROMANCY, BATMAN! -Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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garth nader
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Posted - 2006.08.31 23:58:00 -
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Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits.
2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles
5 CapII's
1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.01 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits.
2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles
5 CapII's
1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays.
Necromancy is bad enough already, but with such a setup... Makes baby Kilrock cry! --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Jonay
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Posted - 2006.09.01 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits.
2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles
5 CapII's
1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays.
Are you serious?
First, don't mix turrets, short or long range, but not both, second, why the cap relay? with 5 normal cap rechargers you can put large repairer tech 2 forever, with that fitting you can use 2 large tech 2 repairer without stop, and use 2 cruise launchers, thats a typhoon setup, do you really have a machariel?
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albert camus
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:42:00 -
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Ive got 6 x domi 800's any one give me a fiting for use with 800's?
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: albert camus Ive got 6 x domi 800's any one give me a fiting for use with 800's?
For PvP you're FAR better off using d650's, which frees up enough PG to use heavy NOS, Heavy Cap Booster, MWD, dual LARs, etc.
But if you don't have Large Autocannon spec, I wouldn't be taking the Machariel into PvP anyway, if I were you. Domination/RF AC's do about the same damage as a T2 AC, skills being the same, but you REALLY need to be able to use Barrage and take advantage of the falloff bonus.
For missions/ratting you don't need the NOS or the dual LARs, Barrage isn't necessary (or cost-effective), and the lower ammo burn of the 800's makes more sense, so the Domi 800's aren't a bad choice to use until you can use T2's.
Mission setup: 6x 800II's/Domination 800 2x Arbalest Seige
Faction AB 3x/4x Cap Recharger II 0x/1x Web/TP
3x/4x Rat specific Faction/T2 hardeners 1x/2x Gyro II 1x Faction/T2 MAR 1x Faction LAR
5x T2 Medium Drones 5x T2 Light Drones
You need AWU 2 to make that fit, but you can save some PG/CPU by using Cruise, and Cruise will also allow you to fit a 2x LAR setup.
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.10 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits.
2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles
5 CapII's
1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays.
You don't actually own one, please? ----
Cake > Pie - Imaran Cathath > Imaran - Cathath
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Horza Otho on 01/11/2006 23:33:03 6x dual 425 II 2x hvy dim 1x Tuvan 100mn AB 1x domination web 1x domination disruptor 1x vizan injector 1x kaikka multispec 2x centum/core/whatever x-type LAR's 3x centus x eanm's 1x internal ff (altho i wud spend the money on a dcu II) 1x 1600mm/domination gyro
wee? --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente easyCredits O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 01/11/2006 23:42:06 My Machariel Setup:
6x Dual 650mm AC ll, 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS
Gist-X-Type 100MN MWD, Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, True Sansha Stasis Webifier, Conjuctive LADAR Backup Array, Heavy Electrochemical Cap. Injector.
Large Armor Repair ll, Medium Armor Repair ll, Internal Force Field Array l, 2x Energized Adaptive Nanomembrane ll, 2x Gyrostabilizer ll.
5x Medium Scout Drones ll, 5x Light Drones ll.
Ammo and Drone-Types depending on Situation.
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2006.12.28 11:57:00 -
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I'll give you a hint, 3 heavy web drones.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:49:00 -
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This is my current PVP setup:
High-Slot:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb, 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range)
Med-Slot:
1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner, 1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I (Will soon get a Domination Warp Disruptor here), 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Tracking Disruptor II, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster
Low-Slot:
2x Large Armor Repairer II (Will soon be 2x Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer's here, or 2x Gotan's Modified Large Armor Repairer if they are possible to get), 1x Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Domination Gyrostabilizer
But this is my dream setup:
High-Slot:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 2x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu
Med-Slot:
1x Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive, 1x Domination Warp Disruptor, 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Dread Guristas ECM Multispectral Jammer, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster
Low-Slot:
1x Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer, 1x Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Gotan's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Or this setup:
High-Slot:
6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb, 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range)
Med-Slot:
1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner, 1x Domination Warp Disruptor, 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Tracking Disruptor II, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster
Low-Slot:
2x Gotan's Modified Large Armor Repairer, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Domination Gyrostabilizer
And this is the rigs i'm gonna use on the ship:
Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total):
1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-Explosive Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more explosive resistance
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 10:56:00 -
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This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer
Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \
TEMPTATION INC. Killboard |
LeMoose
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer
Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \
best setup in this thread... but necro 4tl...
best thing the mach has over the temp is that extra speed, utilize it with mwd and let the ownage begin...
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:29:00 -
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Thread necromancy! Arrggghhhhhhurk
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur Thread necromancy! Arrggghhhhhhurk
Nah, i will not call that necro because this topic is linked to in the Ships Index sticky topic. Then there will always be someone that will reply to the topic
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Os2
Minmatar Arctic Tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:15:00 -
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PVE setup for solo lvl4 missions.
High: 6x Domination 800mm 2x Domination siege
Med: Core X-type AB Shadow serpentis tracking comp 3x Cap recharger II
Low: shadow serpentis LAR DMG control II 1600mm tugsten plates domination gyrostab TS active hardeners expl/kin/therm (55%)
Rigs: 1x Anti-Explosive Pump I 1x Anti-Kinetic Pump I 1x Anti-Thermic Pump I
All armor resistanses 78-83% amount over 15k Works nice for mission running.
-Os2 Artic Tribe |
Vicis Tractus
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:16:00 -
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Necro
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer
Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \
Previously you went for the duel 425's and 2 heavy nos. what made you change ur mind and go 650's?
DE
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Enduros
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:28:00 -
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Using this for missions:
6x Domination 1200mm artillery 1x Drone Link (don't ask...) 1x Smart Bomb/Cloak/whatever
1x Gist X-type AB 1x Sensor Booster 2x Tracking Computer 1x Cap Recharger
1x LAR 3x Hardeners (spec ofcourse) 3x Domination Gyro
3x CCC rigs
Has almost no tank, lots of gank, fun to fly. As for the CCC rigs I had them in hangar though what the hell and haven't bothered to use anything else yet.
Some missions require dropping a gyro for another hardener
Also got a set of Domination 800 repeating, the dps is huge but the range without falloff is awful and they only really work with an MWD, not many missions support that. I could use falloff rigs but then arti will no longer fit. Think I gotta get another mach for those.
As for flame on using it on missions, bite me. I dislike cookie cutting missiles spammers thank you very much.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer
Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \
Previously you went for the duel 425's and 2 heavy nos. what made you change ur mind and go 650's?
DE
thats a old setup dont fly that anymore..
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