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Zappity
Kurved Space
617
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. That's true. People do, however, suicide gank shuttles with pods in them. |
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
174
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Posted - 2013.11.06 08:17:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. It probably is ccp's way of fixing null sec, they make high sec so **** that you go to null sec or dont play the game.
But i do not agree with that killing someone in this game shoudl take skill, this game has by far one of the most passive gameplay you can find in a online game.
With the risk vs isk with ganking it gets pretty much impossible to balance that, since the isk is a factor made by the players themself. If someone puts 10 plexes in a shuttle should a destroyer then not be able to kill it because the reward is to high ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17280
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:50:00 -
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Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ
GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:56:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:To the OP, I lost a billion isk when I was ganked while hauling T2 modules in an untanked T1 industrial a few years ago. At the time I was pi$$ed off, so I left and tried a few themepark MMOs out there and got quickly bored of them. Every time I go back to Eve. Why? Because Eve rewards intelligence, and punishes laziness. No it used to punish laziness and reward intelligence. Now it simply allows lazy unintelligent gamers to sit at gate and kill anything they want for no reason other than they can. Your argument is stupid, given the context.
Oh hey, great way to make friends, there. Starting a sentence with NO is a terrible habit, terrible and telling. I grasped the point of Kaivar's post, you calling him stupid is unwarranted and less than entertaining hostility. Those 'lazy and unintelligent' gamers? Seems they killed your hard-working super-intelligent ass. HTFU, watching you spew rainbows got old two threads ago.
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baltec1
Bat Country
8445
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails.
We however can.
Simply looking through the records we see that an average of 30 to 40 freighters get ganked a month. Lowball estimates of freighter trips per month is between half a million to a million in high sec per month.
So we can see that freighter ganking is out of control |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4344
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:25:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Oh hey, great way to make friends, there. Starting a sentence with NO is a terrible habit, terrible and telling. I grasped the point of Kaivar's post, you calling him stupid is unwarranted and less than entertaining hostility. Those 'lazy and unintelligent' gamers? Seems they killed your hard-working super-intelligent ass. HTFU, watching you spew rainbows got old two threads ago. This post really nails it.
Reality clearly shows who got killed and thus is the stupid, while OP insists that reality is actually backwards. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:39:00 -
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:What on earth are you on about? No one's going to gank your frigate or shuttle unless you're carrying something worth stealing. oh it happens. i can't post the KM because of 'rules.' you can eve-kill me and find it though. most pitiful bounty payout ever lol. Excuse me for interjecting, but if you are ganked while flying a shuttle or frigate that has no value or valuable cargo... why would you care? Nobody suicide ganks empty shuttles. That's true. People do, however, suicide gank shuttles with pods in them.
Heheh exactly... lots of people just want to kill other people so the other people lose stuff (implants in this case), not necesarily to gain something themselves. |
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails.
Very true, I haven't been ganked in over half a year and I got 3 carebear characters which I play daily :p I did lose 3.5bill last time I got ganked though, so I guess that makes up for all the not getting ganked lately lol... |
Prince Kobol
1114
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:Daisai wrote:I agree with most of this post with regards to that ganking in high sec lately is getting a bit out of control. The interesting part is that, while many like to claim this, none can really offer any evidence to support itGǪ GǪmuch less quantify what Gǣin controlGǥ or Gǣout of controlGǥ actually entails. We however can. Simply looking through the records we see that an average of 30 to 40 freighters get ganked a month. Lowball estimates of freighter trips per month is between half a million to a million in high sec per month. So we can see that freighter ganking is out of control
What this shows is that people are not doing a good enough job of ganking freighters.
Personally I would love to see 300 - 400 freighters getting ganked per month
Even then it would still not be "out of control" |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
805
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:08:00 -
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I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks. |
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Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:12:00 -
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Clyde Belvar wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Clyde Belvar wrote:Yes most of the goods are made by players,but why only ones who make profit should be veteran players ,alliances,why can't newer players make isk too.... Look at the profile of this character I'm posting with. New and making 400-500 mil ISK per month through PI and trading. ... First off lady this newb char makes triple amount of isk what you do in month by doing same stuff,...
So let me get this straight. You're making 1.2 - 1.5 billion ISK per month and complaining that new players can't make ISK because of ganking.7
Have I got that right? Because if that's true, you really need to get some perspective. If you are making 2-3 PLEX per month, you are making money and you have well more than enough resources to protect yourself.
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Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
149
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:14:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks.
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Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots.
Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. There is a thing called scan resolution. Besides, i wasn't talking about hauling your stuff and then switching to an interceptor in case that some evil guys come to take your belongings.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
517
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:30:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I love how folks can simultaneously claim to have never ever gotten ganked, yet can then turn around and claim ganking is out of control and destroying the game.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest, folks.
Well said...cognitive dissonance, indeed.
As for the OP, rather than the smug commentary I began with at the start of the thread, I will be sincere....
I can confirm that I have been ganked. And it sucked. But I was new, and I learned the best ways to avoid it, over time.
I can also confirm that ganking, in all it's forms...from heisting to awoxing...is definitely a lot more fun.
Also better than, in my humble opinion...
PVE Industry Manufacturing Sov Grinding...ugh.
Amongst other things...
It's just good-hearted fun. Why would you not take advantage of a world of few rules...a social experiment, if you will...and not just go all out? What is the point of turning a game into a job? What is the point of playing said game, if you are afk (unless you are cloaking afk, of course)?
I may have a few laughs here on the forums, but honestly, is it really that horrible? Is it really going to make you quit, or rage, or whatever you feel you must do?
Since you are a vet, apparently, are you just going to ignore that old maxim?
"In EvE, you adapt or die." |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:42:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:
The feeling of powerlessness is what causes threads like this. We can't be stopped.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Thing is, they aren't powerless. If they were powerless then they'd have a valid point. The New Order is very amusing and I applaud your enthousiasm but when I look at your kills the vast majority of them happened because of 'stupid'. I rarely see heavily tanked ships on your killboard. Most of the time they are yield fitted barges, anti-tanked orca's and such.
Your leader acknowledges the fact that you aren't all that powerful even on minerbumping: http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/01/advanced-skill-training-terror-weapons.html
Having said that, I'd like to thank the New Order for being a great inspiration in emergent gameplay and role playing! |
Tash Murka
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
37
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:01:00 -
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So funny peaple think autopilot afk is save in hi sec.
When you drive our car on the hiway and you put your cruise control on. You take a nap then behind the wheel?
Or you transporting a copple of millions in a truck you do not bring anny protection? ( frighter). Rl hi sec c is not save at all and you have to pay attention all the time. How do you think eve is different? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:05:00 -
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Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Having said that, I'd like to thank the New Order for being a great inspiration in emergent gameplay and role playing! That's ONE way to put it...
While the ganking "situation" may be, like many things in EVE, colored by selective perception, it still is true that the high sec mechanics need to be looked at... that's basically all I take from threads like that. |
Xorionna
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:11:00 -
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Don Purple wrote:Dear OP You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.
The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible. Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears.
I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew. Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:18:00 -
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Tash Murka wrote:So funny peaple think autopilot afk is save in hi sec.
When you drive our car on the hiway and you put your cruise control on. You take a nap then behind the wheel?
Or you transporting a copple of millions in a truck you do not bring anny protection? ( frighter). Rl hi sec c is not save at all and you have to pay attention all the time. How do you think eve is different?
eve isn't real life.
and you don't need to pay attention, you just have to be a human macro runner.
I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. freighters have long align times where they're vulnerable and travel fit orcas must run active modules after each session change or lose over half their tank and fast align. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4350
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:26:00 -
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Please let me conclude this thread by saying that indeed, CCP should do something about the idiots in highsec and should start with removing the OP.
Cheers :) |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:29:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:I've yet to hear an adequate critique of AP warp to 0. Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress.
that just says eve rewards tedium. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:38:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:that just says eve rewards tedium. No-one is forcing you to make it tedious. The UI doesn't lock up just because your ship is travelling through space.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:38:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:
I agree with you and i never debate with you about the ability to gank, as i pointed out, what concord does is punish players for ganking, but what i do object against, is that the richer you get, and the more powerfull alliance your part of, the less of a punishment you get, as it is set up at moment, loosing a cata for a beginner is a big deal, while rich powerfull corporations can bascially set off funds, train up alts, and bascially take NO punishment towards their main operations, or main characters... this is what i object towards
A game that encourages succes and accomplishment?!?! WHAT TRAVESTY IS THIS?!?!?! |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
266
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:that just says eve rewards tedium. No-one is forcing you to make it tedious. The UI doesn't lock up just because your ship is travelling through space.
well yeah i read web sites, and this is rewarding play you say?
and of course CCP already made it easy mode by making warp to 0 on gates available but they had to leave a crude nerf to AP in because because. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1374
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:50:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Good Posting wrote:Do like me. When you see a tornado gang camping a station, switch to your ceptor, split guns and ***** kill mails like a baws. Confirming that this is why hauler ships have turret slots. Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. There is a thing called scan resolution. Besides, i wasn't talking about hauling your stuff and then switching to an interceptor in case that some evil guys come to take your belongings.
Neither was I. I was just talking about *****ing on random killmails. I have, fairly often in the years I have been playing this game, gotten on a hilarious killmail when someone else gets ganked in the vicinity, and I take a potshot at the ganker before CONCORD gets them.
Which is pretty much the only reason why hauler ships would even have turret slots. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 12:53:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:well yeah i read web sites, and this is rewarding play you say? No, I'm suggesting that you play the game instead.
Quote:and of course CCP already made it easy mode by making warp to 0 on gates available but they had to leave a crude nerf to AP in because GǪit rewards being active GÇö not that it's a nerf to AP to begin with.
Good Posting wrote:Good luck locking a tornado with a Badger before you get alpha'ed. Luck is not really a factor, since you pretty much achieve that by default. Badgers can't be alpha:d by a Tornado unless you've fitted them horribly wrong. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fast travel is the reward you get for being at the keyboard. Going autopilot means it takes longer but also means you don't have to be around to personally witness the slower progress. Sure, but should it also be more dangerous? We all know EVE is a game that's supposed to be played for a LONG time... it's by design... but why is it then that many of those "time intensive" activities also have to be boring? That's what the game boils down to for many people: Either do this/that boring thing for hours or run the risk of getting into trouble... why is that? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17282
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:04:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Sure, but should it also be more dangerous? Yes. It comes inherent with the increased exposure.
Quote:That's what the game boils down to for many people: Either do this/that boring thing for hours or run the risk of getting into trouble... why is that? Because getting into trouble is a good thing.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22210
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because getting into trouble is a good thing. According to whom? Not everybody likes to get in trouble all the time... |
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