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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
671
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:41:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
So what that there is no risk? You are getting caught up on the killboard, and isk lost. You are getting caught up on space pixels. I fly around in my training pod, every day, down the highway. Who cares? Isk can be remade. "Isk" is not "EvE." It is the lubricant that "EvE" uses to run smoothly. Now I feel like you are a bot-aspirant, Ziona. Are you Code-compliant? No I'm not, I'm training up 8 alts to multi-box with. You know where you can stick your code right? Have a problem come find me and we'll talk about it. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
772
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:41:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:This is strange, I have never been ganked in highsec and my cargohold is most of the time worth it.
I haven't been ganked either. That's not the point. The point is its too easy, theres no risk and it costs nothing. If you gank there should be a cost, there is not. 2 million is not a cost, its pocket change. Like I said in another thread on a similiar topic, before destroyers and easy ganking were introduced, it would cost you a battleship to gank, now it costs you a catalyst. That's a 98% reduction in cost. That's too cheap. Maybe we should make it cost ISK to disable the weapon safety for 5 minutes on a ship, say 100m? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
309
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
You own a proteus alt - and the ziona character herself must also be trivially close to flying one, which is largely invulnerable to a small battleship smartbomb trap through ehp, and can covops nullifier itself (ie move to highsec without requiring a wormhole), and it has a covops cloak for transiting highsec, and due to its potential ehp is highly likely to survive an undock gank attempt or even a horribly unlucky highsec decloaking.
IMO this is the very last thing a gallente pilot ought to be moaning about, for Tokyo express missions we have the -best- ship.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I'm not, I'm training up 8 alts to multi-box with. You know where you can stick your code right? Have a problem come find me and we'll talk about it.
Oh no!!!
8 alts you say?!?!?!?!
That is just...wow.
Damn, I better just biomass myself, because I just don't know what I could possibly do.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3165
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:48:00 -
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Every game has it's whiny, entitled, risk averse group that expect to be catered to. At this point in EVE history it's the suicide gankers doing the crying and getting all the perks.
I suspect that like most unbalanced mechanics over the years it will be fixed soon enough.
Mr Epeen |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
673
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:51:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
You own a proteus alt - and the ziona character herself must also be trivially close to flying one, which is largely invulnerable to a small battleship smartbomb trap through ehp, and can covops nullifier itself (ie move to highsec without requiring a wormhole), and it has a covops cloak for transiting highsec, and due to its potential ehp is highly likely to survive an undock gank attempt or even a horribly unlucky highsec decloaking. (since nobody would have a chance to scan you to figure what you are carrying its extremely unlikely you'd ever cop an organised ganking even if you did get uncloaked by accident). IMO this is the very last thing a gallente pilot ought to be moaning about, for Tokyo express missions we have the -best- ship. Holy crap. I'm not in the least worried about myself The likelihood of me getting ganked is about 0. If a CFC kills me I'll congratulate them, get another ship and go back out there. They are at least attack-able and kill-able. They are taking risks. They deserve the kill. The point that you all seem to be missing with your "eve is not supposed to be safe" crap is that that is exactly what it is for the gankers. 100% SAFE, no risk, no effort, nothing. Quick biomass and you're all fresh to start over.
That's what I'm saying. It should not be zero risk to gank but it currently is. That's whats wrong. Everyone else is risking except the gankers. |
Athena Maldoran
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2454
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:52:00 -
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with the amount of tears this person provides on the forum, even I want to gank him :D |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
130
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:52:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
See this is the problem. You went into this assuming you were the GÇ£strongGÇ¥ element of this argument. A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. No matter how much ISK you are flying, you will get out played if they bring friends and you donGÇÖt. |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:54:00 -
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"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
431
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:56:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ...
Isn't it just? It's like a snob parking their Ferrari on a council estate then complaining that how dare the weak untermensch steal it. |
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
163
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:58:00 -
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i can fix this easy. get rid of auto pilot. then you cant complain about being blown up while afk. as you will have to be thre at all times while ur ship is moving to activate the gates. love it ccp make it happen remove auto pilot! |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:00:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ...
I will be sure to inform Erotica 1 and the others...see if she and her corp are compliant or have red-pen violations. Maybe we can make a nice BYOD live event for the community out of it. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:01:00 -
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It's not the gankers that bother me, it's their Halitosis fits. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
673
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:06:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss.
And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22209
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:17:00 -
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Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players? |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
495
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:21:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:"2.5 bill on my HAC cargo hold" "The strong should profit and the weak should not"
Someone please gank her as soon as possible, thanks ... I was flying around in null with it all day, that's what makes me strong, I'm not a risk averse girlfriend like you that flinches at the thought of loss. And maybe instead of asking someone to gank me, you grow some and get in a ship yourself?
I find the anger inside you, disturbing, to say the least.
Have you any thought that this poster may be woman?
Are you sexist? How can a woman grow a pair?
Or perhaps...if he is a he...perhaps he lost his "items" in a horrible accident in RL...
Or perhaps he feels that his time is better spent doing whatever makes him happy in EvE....not what you expect him to do...as you are not his overlord.
You shouldn't tell people things like that. They are hurtful.
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Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
59
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:24:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5 .
Catalysts ganking on a gate? Unlikely, gate guns make short work of zero tanked dessies.
Also how long does it take your HAC to align so that they can scan you and try and gank?
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baltec1
Bat Country
8422
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:25:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players?
We could return it to the days of M0o. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:30:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Fix? How? I mean... without pi**sing off one of the major whine.... I mean factions of players?
CD on clone replacement? Dunno.. But I think what the OP is trying to say here is that even in game wise it makes no sense.. they are literally immortal suicide bombers... so why doesn't concord do anything about them?
Because they bend the rules , they lure concord and faction police away, stay docked with their low security status alt till they need to strike so they dont get sent back to wherever they come from.. its all very neat and organized but honestly ive wondered for a while does it count as an exploit.
"Concord Manipulation Concord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system."
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baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:39:00 -
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oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system."
No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. |
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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character.
\o/ oh well
If its not an exploit your best bet is to become a Sarah Flynt |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:43:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:... The problem is not the kill, the problem is the risk. Let me explain. I have 2 billion in implants in my head, I'm flying around in Goonsec in a 2 billion isk HAC. Today I had 2.5 billion extra in my hold which I got to high sec. So that's 6.5 billion I'm risking. Today I got a wormhole to high sec to stash the loot in a station. No problems.
However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
Now I'm risking 6.5 billion and my main and they're risking a couple of disposable alts (and we all know they recycle them) and 2 million isks in ship and fittings. So a crap load of risk for me and literally zero risk for them. Its un-EvE like.
The strong should profit and the weak should not, but the whole thing has turned upside down and the weak scared losers are the ones profiting off the strong. Why? Because we have ****** low skilled ships that cost next to nothing doing HAC damage and no consequences anymore for suiciding.
Wait, so who's strong and who's the weak scared loser?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5086
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. If I recall correctly, spawning concord on top of yourself to use them as protection is not allowed. Which is hilarious. |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:51:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. .
What about the 100+ man fleets following FC's orders to press F1 on command? Does that require skill and brains? Perhaps teamwork should be nerfed too? Where does it end OP? |
baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:" Concord ManipulationConcord can be moved away from the miners they guard (within a 150km range), enabling further ganks. The nearest Concord squad in the system responds. Multiple Concord can be moved by simultaneous crimes. Undocking with aggression in a rookie ship or shuttle is a quick way to move Concord or even spawn Concord in a neighboring system." No it is not an exploit. Moving concord around is perfectly fine so long as you do not somehow avoid being killed by them or recycle the character. If I recall correctly, spawning concord on top of yourself to use them as protection is not allowed. Which is hilarious.
Correct.
We in Bats had this confirmed by the GMs in our second ice interdiction. The spawning of concord for protection is an exploit as CCP want people to protect themselves, not have the game do it for them. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8423
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:55:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. . What about the 100+ man fleets following FC's orders to press F1 on command? Does that require skill and brains? Perhaps teamwork should be nerfed too? Where does it end OP?
We don't even press F1 these days. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:56:00 -
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Quote:
Correct.
We in Bats had this confirmed by the GMs in our second ice interdiction. The spawning of concord for protection is an exploit as CCP want people to protect themselves, not have the game do it for them.
oh CCP ... cant exploit concord for defense, but can exploit concord for attack, you silly silly munchkins u |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We don't even press F1 these days.
Okay clearly we must nerf drones too!
Perhaps all future pvp fights can be decided in an Arena that will only allow equally matched players to fight each other so we can ensure that skill will prevail! |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:00:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:A gang (I.E multiple people working together, it IS an MMO after all) are always going to win. Off-topic, about a decade ago, I remember reading a story how six gang bangers thought that lone man minding his own business was an easy mark.
Afterwards, there were three dead, two hospitalized, and one traumatized.
Turned out the lone man was a Marine drill sergeant. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
524
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:07:00 -
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Where on earth is the OP flying where there are hordes of gankers every 2-3 jumps?
I recommend avoiding lowsec to avoid these roving bands of barbarians (although, I may be getting confused with Civ V) |
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