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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:22:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.
They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers. So, you still play the game, though. This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves.
There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
615
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:24:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.
They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers. So, you still play the game, though. This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves. There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good.
I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:
EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend. |
Frying Doom
3251
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:27:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:
EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.
Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels.
Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right?
Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
616
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:47:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:
EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.
Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels. Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right? Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales.
Why are you following me? When I walked away from you in the other thread, did you like what you saw? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I'm a pitcher. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
217
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:53:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.
They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers. So, you still play the game, though. This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves. There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good. I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing: EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.
If your idea of "growing" is the influx of new accounts, that is an inaccurate measurement as new accounts have the possibility to be alts of older accounts. EVE sustained a loss in subscribers over Odyssey...i doubt Rubicon (which in my view is more invasive than odyssey) will bring many back and will in fact see more leave. In short...a decline. |
Ryhss
138
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:54:00 -
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oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:I like Hyperions. I like turtles |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
616
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:55:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Octoven wrote:Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.
They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers. So, you still play the game, though. This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves. There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good. I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing: EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend. If your idea of "growing" is the influx of new accounts, that is an inaccurate measurement as new accounts have the possibility to be alts of older accounts. EVE sustained a loss in subscribers over Odyssey...i doubt Rubicon (which in my view is more invasive than odyssey) will bring many back and will in fact see more leave. In short...a decline.
You actually use reason in your arguments. So, I will keep debating you. But not right now... it's past my bed time. My girlfriend is going to be mad if I stay up much later. |
Frying Doom
3251
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Posted - 2013.11.07 06:19:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:
EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.
Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels. Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right? Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales. Why are you following me? When I walked away from you in the other thread, did you like what you saw? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I'm a pitcher. No you are a joke making wild ass guesses with no ability to back them up. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
328
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Posted - 2013.11.07 06:41:00 -
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Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome! |
Frying Doom
3251
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:05:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome! I was just wondering, I have a bridge to sell would you be interested in buying it?
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1142
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:What's with all this optimism, OP? Haven't you heard?
Bastion sucks, Interceptors suck, Deployable Tractor structure thingy sucks, Ghost sites suck, everything sucks. Infact, the only thing that's supposed to suck, Siphons, doesn't suck.
But seriously, waiting for Rubicon and the 'Sky has fallen' threads. You forgot "Jake Warbird Sucks, Nerf him"! CCp is going to come to your house and when they are done, you will be 10 inches shorter and less good looking. They will proclaim you "Balanced" and fly back to Iceland.
Damn, now I have to scrape my breakfast off my monitor. |
Prince Kobol
1115
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:35:00 -
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The thing is with Rubicon is that is just so... well underwhelming.
I mean bug fixes should not be a major part of any expansion, they should be things which are constantly done yet CCP seem to including them in expansions and advertised them as a feature.
Also with Ship rebalancing.. its not like they take 100's of man hours to accomplish.
The ships already exist, its a matter of tweaking numbers in a database and then releasing a dev blog for people to tell them were they have gone wrong.
Here is the website for Rubicon
http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon?utm_source=Community+news+feed&utm_medium=Banner&utm_term=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_content=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_campaign=Rubicon+is+coming
You telling me that excites you?
What is actually new... 4 deployable units, 3 ships, ISS Ship guide and Ghost Sites.
Everything else is either bug fixes or changing a few numbers on a Database.
There is nothing in this expansion which is game changing, nothing which is exciting.
All that will happen is a few weeks after the release pos siphons will be changed because of the sheer amount of crying and butthurt on the forums when the goons swap New Eden with them.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1500
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Posted - 2013.11.07 08:39:00 -
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For myself, I am happy that CCP appear to be spending some time fixing what we already have, re-balancing ships etc, although it would be nice if they were to fix POSs etc as well.
Fix what we already have, then add large amounts of new game play.
Oh and the sooner DUST is abandoned the better.
I can never work out why a game I do not play on a platform I do not own, should be allowed to have any impact on a game I do pay for and play. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
328
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Posted - 2013.11.07 08:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Job Valador wrote:Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome! I was just wondering, I have a bridge to sell would you be interested in buying it?
TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon. |
Frying Doom
3253
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Posted - 2013.11.07 08:52:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon. Well be sure to thank your drug dealer or the doctor who prescribed your 'happy pills' |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
268
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:00:00 -
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it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.
previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
219
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:04:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:The thing is with Rubicon is that is just so... well underwhelming. I mean bug fixes should not be a major part of any expansion, they should be things which are constantly done yet CCP seem to including them in expansions and advertised them as a feature. Also with Ship rebalancing.. its not like they take 100's of man hours to accomplish. The ships already exist, its a matter of tweaking numbers in a database and then releasing a dev blog for people to tell them were they have gone wrong. Here is the website for Rubicon http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon?utm_source=Community+news+feed&utm_medium=Banner&utm_term=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_content=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_campaign=Rubicon+is+comingYou telling me that excites you? What is actually new... 4 deployable units, 3 ships, ISS Ship guide and Ghost Sites. Everything else is either bug fixes or changing a few numbers on a Database. There is nothing in this expansion which is game changing, nothing which is exciting. All that will happen is a few weeks after the release pos siphons will be changed because of the sheer amount of crying and butthurt on the forums when the goons swap New Eden with them.
I tend to agree with this statement. The word expansion implies just that, expanding the game. Adding new mechanics, content, and features would be just that. Apocrypha for example added wormhole space, Incursions added incursions, and many of the earlier expansions of eve added so much. Rubicon is basically a patch. Other games have patches to expansions that add minor content just as rubicon is doing but they dont call it an expansion.
My worry here is the direction CCP will take eve as well. They clearly have stated they wish to spread new features, content, and additions over multiple expansions while at the same time fixing already existing issues. If this is an example of future expansions then in all honesty...don't call it an expansion because it isn't.
Now...I am not saying fixing things and adjusting the game to optimize some mechanics shouldn't be exciting, but to say it is an exciting expansion is not really a true statement. If you were to say it is an exciting patch...then yeah. Even so, there really isn't a lot of things in the upcoming patch that excites me. Perhaps the sites and soe ships...that really is it. Everything else is just filler content to make us feel like we are getting something nice...and yes I realize the patch in of itself is free but so are most other patches to expansions in other games. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
328
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:05:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Job Valador wrote:TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon. Well be sure to thank your drug dealer or the doctor who prescribed your 'happy pills'
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6Ye_vTf_kas/TktD0D6tNfI/AAAAAAAABhI/HaPB9BBKdo0/s1600/lolcat-funny-picture-found-pills-ate-eat1.jpg |
Prince Kobol
1119
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:37:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.
previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit.
In what way does Rubicon a become a good expansion for newer and casual players.
What does Rubicon bring that you can't already do now?
You say wont need to go to station, how long do think it will take players to start scanning down the mobile depots?
How many times are you going to use them after they have been popped?
There is Rubicon that you can't already do now.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
268
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.
previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit. In what way does Rubicon a become a good expansion for newer and casual players. What does Rubicon bring that you can't already do now? You say wont need to go to station, how long do think it will take players to start scanning down the mobile depots? How many times are you going to use them after they have been popped? There is Rubicon that you can't already do now.
the meta 3 mobile depots are practically impossible to scan down, currently.
and anyway, if you beat the scanner to it, refit and then either scoop it (not sure how long that takes) or wait until it gets reinforced then it's served its purpose.
and if you're handy and think you can take them, use it as bait. you're no longer taking a knife to a gun fight, you've got a swiss army knife.. a T3 can hold a fair amount of different offensive modules, you could refit with a couple of webs and then HAM their face off. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17288
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:54:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels. Because Incarna nuked the population. It was a one-time dip, and other than that, the population is growing.
As for PCUs, they follow a very predictable weekly, monthly, and yearly pattern. Summers are high, trailing off during the beginning of autumn and then building right back up again as we get closer to the winter patch.
Quote:Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right? The PCUs do; the subscriber numbers never have GÇö they only include active accounts (trials, by very definition, have not been activated). |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
161
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:58:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:sipping my rum and coke
Clarification needed.
Are we talking white rum? Or proper, tasty, tasty, dark navy rum?
Damn I want a Captain Morgans and Pepsi right now.
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Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:04:00 -
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I just want to Congratulate the OP on a successful thread, look at all the mad people and Rubicon hasn't even started yet..!
Haven't had pizza in 2 years might get one on Rubicon release day, the threads will be delicious hopefully the pizza too. |
Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
289
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:29:00 -
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Long live Apocrypha! |
Prince Kobol
1119
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels. Because Incarna nuked the population. It was a one-time dip, and other than that, the population is growing. As for PCUs, they follow a very predictable weekly, monthly, and yearly pattern. Summers are high, trailing off during the beginning of autumn and then building right back up again as we get closer to the winter patch. Quote:Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right? The PCUs do; the subscriber numbers never have GÇö they only include active accounts (trials, by very definition, have not been activated).
The 2 highest peaks on the all time weekly PCU graph from Eve Offline (DD/MM/YY Format)
06-01-2011 Weekly Average 36430
06-06-2013 Weekly Average 36252 (this include Dust Accounts)
18 months to get back to pre-Incarna levels with the help of a few thousand Dust accounts.
Wow.. Eve is doing amazing !!!!
Eve is no where near close to death, in fact I am sure it has many years ahead of it, but as far as I am concerned it is starting to stagnate. |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
335
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:56:00 -
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Just wait until we have a proper expansion and things are going to get better again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17288
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Posted - 2013.11.07 11:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:18 months to get back to pre-Incarna levels with the help of a few thousand Dust accounts.
Wow.. Eve is doing amazing !!!! Indeed it is. What you're seeing is what a colossal cockup incarna (and Incursion) was, and why Gǣproper expansionsGǥ do not provide neither the answer nor the data people often suggestGǪ |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:15:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Don't disappoint me, CCP... but, then again, if the last 10 years are any indication (except for Incarna.... but 19 wins out of 20 attempts is still a pretty awesome record), I know you won't. Some people would disagree with you. http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/04/go-tell-it-on-mountain.html |
Prince Kobol
1120
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:18 months to get back to pre-Incarna levels with the help of a few thousand Dust accounts.
Wow.. Eve is doing amazing !!!! Indeed it is. What you're seeing is what a colossal co ckup incarna (and Incursion) was, and why Gǣproper expansionsGǥ do not provide neither the answer nor the data people often suggestGǪ
That is where I disagree.
Proper expansions that are done correctly that bring in new content helps to not only attract new players but keep existing players.
A patch is well that.. a patch.
Also if you look at each expansion right from the first Castor thought to Incusion (expect for maybe a couple) each brought something new and innovative which helps attract new players and keeps existing players.
Unless of course you are going to compare Rubicon to the likes of Exodus: Cold War, Exodus: Red Moon Rising, Trinity, Empyrean Age, Apocrypha, Dominion, Tyrannis, Incursion, Crucible. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3244
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:27:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Excited for Rubicon. I feel like this is going to be one of the best expansions, yet. The bittervet in me says "nothing will ever top RMR"... but despite that, I am anxious to see where future expansions will take us.
Also, am quite looking forward to the "hilarity ensues" on patch day, when half the community will act like it's the end of the world because something broke. I will be, as always, lounging on that couch, sipping my rum and coke, and fiddling with my data pad, waiting for the opportunity to tell everyone I can log on just fine.
Don't disappoint me, CCP... but, then again, if the last 10 years are any indication (except for Incarna.... but 19 wins out of 20 attempts is still a pretty awesome record), I know you won't.
You tell em Jarod. it is always funny to see spolied space-brats complain about how "it's not an expansion because it doesn't give me no I"I win" buttons!"
Having been on the test server, I already see that Rubicon is giving me (as an explorer and PVE player) a lot of stuff, which makes up for all the expansions I've lived through that didn't give me much.
The deployable depot (and the fact that tech3s will be able to reconfigure in space) means NO MORE DED plexes with a crappily fit travel tengu/loki lol. It means I can take the cloaks off my battleships when I get to that far off escalation, because that cloak makes lokking frigs a serious pain.
It means that I can fit my ships to clear the 1st several rooms of a DED plex with a high dps set up, deploy the deopt, refit for more tank and do the loot room properly instead of having to make trade offs in a station 24 jumps behind me.
the RHML simply means more isk for me the way I use supporting ships with FoF missiles.
The bastion mod for marauders means my double ASB vargur will have an even easier time doing lvl 5 missions and Blood Raider 10/10s. The SOE cruiers will probably replace my ishtar.
The new warp mechanics and such are going to seriously change the game in ways we can't even predict yet.
On and on, and that doesn't even touch on how Alliances are going to find ways to use these things to screw over each other in PVP. |
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