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Filan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 00:58:00 -
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Stargates and Jumpgates are different, a stargate is that big structure that non capitol ships use. jumpgates are what are generated by the Jump Drive of a Titan.
the GBC is capable of building new Stargates but as of current we have enough and try our best to keep rogue gates from coming online.
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Suuji Praath
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Posted - 2006.02.12 01:02:00 -
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I would like to respectfully ask all parties currently arguing on this discussion to step back and take time to respect the Intaki people. Specifically those of Reschard V. We suffer as I speak, and it pains me to have to remind certain parties that this is not the occasion to spout politics, rhetoric or lay blame.
Let us bury our dead before any begin to make accusations.
As a proud but grieving Intaki, I would like to thank all those who have offered their condolensces and respect. And I send my own prayers to our people still suffering.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.02.12 01:29:00 -
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We are all mourning, minus the culprets of this tragedy. I think its imperative that we find out who is repsonsable for this as soon as possible. Concord and the Federation twiddle there thumbs as we speak.
I offer a small but generous reward of 20 million isk to whomever can bring forth and information leading to bringing these murderers to justice.
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Jezabel Barbier
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Posted - 2006.02.12 01:41:00 -
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I too have heard too many accusations lately, accusations founded on much too little substance - like the mobilisation of the Caldari Navy. Well, if someone had commited such an atrocity in Caldari space, wouldn't we have mobilised - just in case the Caldari had been eagerly placing the blame at their old enemy?
For now, all we can do is keep the system as clear of scavengers and pirates as possible, to let the humanitarian aid reach it's destination without hindrance, to let the Federation's investigators do their work - and ultimately find the guilty party.
As much as we all want to find someone to blame, we must also prepare for the possibility that this was not an attack, but a catastrophic accident on the planet surface, even though I don't know of any official facilities that could have such an impact, even in the worst of circumstances. We do after live in times where anti-matter ammo is so commonplace that no one even considers the possibility that a stockpile of anti-matter containment units might exist.
The best thing to do now, is to wait for the official investigators to figure out what exactly happened. Until then, humanitarian aid is in greater need than accusations and further bloodshed.
Jezabel Barbier
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.02.12 02:03:00 -
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I am watching the incident with keen interest.
It is very difficult to say who could be the guilty party, but the timing is oddly fitting, considering the level of interest in the Intaki issue on the GalNet lately.
I think it is easy to suspect the Serpentis, who have recently stolen a Titan, but personally that feels very unlikely. Firstly, I do not agree with the views that this would automatically increase their profits and secondly, their capital class elements have been quite tied up with Band of Brothers lately.
Is this a move by someone to capitalize on the possible separatist rift? Or is it something else?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.12 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 11/02/2006 23:49:28
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
So it is rebellion to defend yourself against blockades, and to wish to leave your Federation? If Blaque causes conflict with the State, I'll be sure to show you 'total war' little cadet.
What else do you call a War of Independence? I'm really starting to tire of the **** heads from the Caldari Independent Naval Reserve who get indignant whenever someone posts other than themselves. Can you possibly comprehend the idea that I that I supported the Caldari revolution, or is your xenophobic and jingoistic pea-brain just too stupid to comprehend any fact other than "RAAWWRRR GALLENTE BAD CALDARI GOOD" and compulsively try to correct any post a Gallente makes, regardless of whether it's true or not? This is the last time I'm going to respond to a member of your little corporation trying to play a game of semantics over something so severely trite. Quit ****ting on one of the few friends in the Federation you've got.
There was no rebellion. A rebellion would be a war against an established government. Our war was not one against the Gallente people, or the Federation, it was a fight for survival, a fight where defeat would have ment the end of the Caldari people. I'd have to say Reshard V could very well be the beginning of the Gallente's fight to contol or destroy the Intaki. They couldn't hit the Intaki homeworld, because it would have been impossible to get in there unnoticed, so they chose one of the easiest places to hit without beng seen. The Oblivion, while quite an impressive Caldari weapon, cannot scorch a planet. It would possibly cause massive earth-quake like effects, but you'll find the Gallente's weapon can burn things very well.
A revolution overthrows, or attempts to overthrow, an established government. Calling the Caldari's fight either of those is insulting, even if you don't realize it (but now you do).
Considering how you've come to the IGS, calling yourself a friend of the State is abit... well, you've sounded alot like Shemar, so if you really are a friend of the State, try to forgot alot of what you learned in the Federation, you'll find it's rather twisted.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.02.12 02:04:00 -
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My thoughs and condolences to all those affected by this terrible tragedy. Coming from an agricultural world, like Reschard V I can only imagine what it would be like to see rolling green plains reduced to charred rocks.
With Oryioni's blessing the perpetrators of this incident will be discovered and justice will prevail.
We can only hope the rescue missions are successful and lives can be salvaged. I would ask people to refrain from accusing others until they have solid evidence rather than assumptions and "witness reports".
Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville I'm really starting to tire of the **** heads from the Caldari Independent Naval Reserve who get indignant whenever someone posts other than themselves.
Funny, I could easily accuse you of the same thing. Anyone who disagrees with you, little cadet has purile insults heaped upon them in a way that only too clearly shows your maturity to the public.
Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville Quit ****ting on one of the few friends in the Federation you've got.
Good one.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.12 03:13:00 -
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OFFICIAL GILEAD'S BULLET TRANSMISSION
Gilead's Bullet extends its sympathies to all those affected by the disaster. GDBT is also looking into assisting any rescue operations that are to occur.
I hope this tragedy is resolved soon. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler \o/ ~kieron [\"] -Capsicum <3 -eris you wanted colours now you have them :) -eris..again Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques' |
Oisin
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Posted - 2006.02.12 03:50:00 -
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My thoughts are with the victims on Reschard V, and iwth those who have lost loved ones, at this time.
All the speculation as to how this tragedy happened is just that - speculation.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2006.02.12 04:04:00 -
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I'd probably find it easier to mourn if I could even grasp the magnitude of what was done. Even after personally investigating the planet from high orbit and seeing all the devastation from there, I just can't wrap my head around it.
I hope the perpetrators found whatever reward they're searching for to be worth the cost of what's coming their way. Hell's too good a place for 'em.
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Nuri Aderynn
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Posted - 2006.02.12 04:11:00 -
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I grew up in Arderonne system, one jump away from Reschard. While I thankfully have lost no family members myself, it appears some of my friends have. A survivor list has not yet been released but we don't hold much hope, given the extent of the devastation.
Although the majority of casualties are Intaki, like most Federation worlds the population of Reschard V had a degree of ethnic diversity. One of my friends, a Matari, has probably lost his cousin who was staying with her husbands' family. So this should not only be considered a loss to the Intaki but to all peoples.
Some of us are in Reschard now looking for survivors and guarding against those who would take advantage of this tragedy. Genuine help would be appreciated.
I haven't been able to contact the Sisters of EVE directly, so I'll mention this here in the hope that it gets passed on: Caille University in Osmeden is willing to take whatever refugees they can handle, and their medical facilities are probably the best in northern Placid. If someone from SOE would contact Baider Austret he will start to organise it.
I never visited Reschard V before now. I'm told it was a beautiful place.
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Joe Mozart
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Posted - 2006.02.12 06:34:00 -
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May I also extend my sympathies to the victims of this tragedy. I am not Intaki, but have many Intaki friends and business acquaintnaces throughout the Federation and I feel their grief.
As for the speculation and innuendo, as others have said it is pointless and plays into the hands of corrupt politicians and other criminals of all races. When a normal person sees a tragedy their immediate instinct is to feel sympathy for the victims, when politicians see a tragedy, their immediate instinct is to manipulate it for their own purposes. I would encourage everyone to desist from such speculation, which does nothing to aid the victims and everything to assist those with their own 'agendas'.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.02.12 08:40:00 -
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The Federation Reaps what it Sows. It is my sincerest hope that the Federation collapses upon itself and its corruption. Perhaps then a pure nation can take its place. _____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics?
Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
If you can't handle the heat, out of the fire. -Capsicum |
OmegaChief
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Posted - 2006.02.12 09:19:00 -
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The sisters of eve are currently retrofitting three frieghters to be able to land planet side, unfortunatly this will take days all we can do till then is wait
I would like to offer my condolances to any Intaki or anyone else for that matter who lost loved ones in this disaster
For now lets focus on keeping the routes to Reschard clear of pirates so the SoE can move in
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.02.12 11:38:00 -
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As soon as I heard about the attack, I dropped what I was doing and headed to Reshard. So far no federate help has materialized in the system, the only ships are owned by independent pod pilots orbiting the planet without means to get down. Most are war ships I have to add - not that I blame them. An in-depth search of the system did not yield any clues of titan presence unless it has been fitted with a cloaking device. I've searched the surrounding systems too, but given the time involved I guess any ship could be on the other side of the universe by now.
One thing might help however: the seventh moon of Reshard harbors a POS with a good view on the impact point. Maybe that can shed some light on the happenings?
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Loimbard
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Posted - 2006.02.12 11:51:00 -
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I think the Federations lack of visible support is understandable at this point.
1)If a single capital ship was able to sneak in, perhaps cloaked, it would be possible for more ships to be nearby ready for a relief force to come in and be destroyed. 2)The planet is still in turmoil and it is impossible to reach the surface.
I am Louis de Loimbard, I laugh at you Arthur-King and your silly knnnniggets! |
Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.02.12 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness As soon as I heard about the attack, I dropped what I was doing and headed to Reshard. So far no federate help has materialized in the system, the only ships are owned by independent pod pilots orbiting the planet without means to get down. Most are war ships I have to add - not that I blame them. An in-depth search of the system did not yield any clues of titan presence unless it has been fitted with a cloaking device. I've searched the surrounding systems too, but given the time involved I guess any ship could be on the other side of the universe by now.
One thing might help however: the seventh moon of Reshard harbors a POS with a good view on the impact point. Maybe that can shed some light on the happenings?
When Placid Reborn was contacted and asked to aid in the effort, the response given was 'why?'. How do you explain this?
Myself and OmegaChief arrived half an hour after the attack, OmegaChief in fact arriving before anyone else, and neither of us found anything. It's hardly surprising that by the... what, 8-9 hours(?) it took you to arrive anything worth finding was long gone. ___
The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky... |
Thomas Fiddle
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Fiddle on 12/02/2006 19:05:18
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Ender Fal
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:06:00 -
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First I would like to extend my condolences to the victims and their familes, and to the Intaki people in general for this tradegy that has struck deep.
With that said, I am wondering while reading through this why one thing has not been mentioned. We are here discussing this horrible situation, and coming up with all the possible causes, reasons and conspiriacies, except for one.
Is it not possible that this was done by th Intaki themselves? I know the Intaki pride themselves on peace, but why not do this themselves? Look at what this is accomplishing for them: massive support from the entire galaxy, they are unifying in ways that we have not seen in decades, and now they have both a motivation and a reason to push forward with a full scale attempt to seperate themselves from the Federation.
Dont blame the Federation, the State, or even the Serpentis. The Intaki themselves have the most to gain from this kind of act. It is their system, they would be able to hide a Capital ship the easiest, they would know how to get one in and out. But maybe there wasnt even a Capital ship present. They would be abl to take all the time in the world to set up a way to trick CONCORD or GBC sensors. A simple dirty nuclear reaction of signifigant size could create the same results. Maybe they even evacuated the surface of the planet?
I'm just saying...
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.02.12 20:11:00 -
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Quote: B: The ability to hide a Titan long enough to sneak in and do some serious damage and not be detected.
Hrm, let's see, who had Titans longer than anyone, who has cloaking technology superior to anyone else's, who has a history of fomenting discord between the nations......Could it be, Jove?
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OmegaChief
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Posted - 2006.02.12 20:59:00 -
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Why in the name of your god would the Jove attack Reschard V? theres no information to gain therefore we cna rule out the jove
Unless its another insane jove commander, with a titan, in which case we're in for a whole heap of trouble
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.12 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Unuthiel Hrm, let's see, who had Titans longer than anyone, who has cloaking technology superior to anyone else's, who has a history of fomenting discord between the nations......Could it be, Jove?
The Jovians got everyone together for the Youil conference that led to the current peace that we all share.
Seriously, these Jovian conspiracy theories are so moronic... -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler \o/ ~kieron [\"] -Capsicum <3 -eris you wanted colours now you have them :) -eris..again Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques' |
Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.02.12 21:14:00 -
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Ive heard through the grapevine that there is a suspicious Titan for sale in the area, or a suspicious market description of a Titan.
If someone would clarify this, please provide that information here.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 21:37:00 -
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besides i doubt even the Jove could hide a titan's gravity well from our sensors in the stargates.
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Nuri Aderynn
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Posted - 2006.02.12 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro When Placid Reborn was contacted and asked to aid in the effort, the response given was 'why?'. How do you explain this?
Myself and OmegaChief arrived half an hour after the attack, OmegaChief in fact arriving before anyone else, and neither of us found anything. It's hardly surprising that by the... what, 8-9 hours(?) it took you to arrive anything worth finding was long gone.
I have no idea who you spoke to; I doubt it was an official response. I left for Reschard as soon as I heard which was indeed some 8-9 hours after the attack, unfortunately.
Politics aside, thankyou for your effort at Reschard V. It's good to know that even non-Intakis will aid victims of such an attack regardless of past differences.
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Nuri Aderynn
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Posted - 2006.02.12 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ender Fal Is it not possible that this was done by th Intaki themselves? I know the Intaki pride themselves on peace, but why not do this themselves?
Of all the conspiracy theories posited so far in this discussion, this is by far the most absurd. This is a good point to stop speculating until there is definite information and the planet's surface has actually been evacuated. There are people still alive down there, and already you're blaming them for their own planet's destruction... |
Suuji Praath
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Posted - 2006.02.12 22:31:00 -
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Captain Scuro, a blatant attempt to paint Placid Reborn in a negative light on such an inappropriate occasion does not serve you. I hold in orbit around Reschard V, waiting in peaceful vigil, as I have done since the moment I found out about the tragedy. Many from Placid Reborn have been here as well, such as Captains Le'Danness and Aderynn, as has Lieutenant Vankaalen from CAIN.
I know that the citizens of Placid do not question our empathy, sympathy and support for them in this hour of darkness. And once again I ask, Nero Scuro, that before you fan the flames of accusation, hatred and blame, let us bury our dead.
This is a time for prayer and reflection. Peace be to the Reborn.
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Ender Fal
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Posted - 2006.02.12 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nuri Aderynn
Originally by: Ender Fal Is it not possible that this was done by th Intaki themselves? I know the Intaki pride themselves on peace, but why not do this themselves?
Of all the conspiracy theories posited so far in this discussion, this is by far the most absurd. This is a good point to stop speculating until there is definite information and the planet's surface has actually been evacuated. There are people still alive down there, and already you're blaming them for their own planet's destruction...
I am not blaming the Intaki, I am simply stating another possibilty. In my eyes they have the most to gain, the most ability to get a Capital ship in and out of their own system without any traces, and the least risk.
We won't be able to know anything until we have gotten to the surface and evacuated the survivors, if any.
Saying that this is not a possiblity proves that you have been blinded by grief. Do not let the truth be blotted out by your ignorance.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.02.13 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro When Placid Reborn was contacted and asked to aid in the effort, the response given was 'why?'. How do you explain this?
Myself and OmegaChief arrived half an hour after the attack, OmegaChief in fact arriving before anyone else, and neither of us found anything. It's hardly surprising that by the... what, 8-9 hours(?) it took you to arrive anything worth finding was long gone.
I'm unimpressed with your effort to turn a national tragedy into yet another political points-scoring drive. We can't be everywhere at once and we continue to offer whatever assistance we can. Exactly what humanitarian aid have you offered?
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Suuji Praath Captain Scuro, a blatant attempt to paint Placid Reborn in a negative light on such an inappropriate occasion does not serve you.
Nonsense, that's just his way of showing love! -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler \o/ ~kieron [\"] -Capsicum <3 -eris you wanted colours now you have them :) -eris..again Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques' |
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