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Christopher Aveon
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:34:00 -
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Hello,
I'm a fairly new player and am wondering what skills & certificates I should think about training for the new Stratios ship. I'm not sure what it's training requirements will be just to get in the ship and I'm certainly not sure about what to fit it with (and what skills the fittings would require). I've looked around but cannot find any ideas. I'm wanting to mainly explore with this ship and maybe do covert ops if possible. Any recommendations? Thanks so much! |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:00:00 -
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Well there are the skills that everyone needs, fitting skills, navigation skills, ect...
Then you have Amarr and Gallente cruiser, drone skills, exploration/scanning skills, maybe some laser skills, armor tank skills, and Cloaking IV. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
112
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Posted - 2013.11.07 03:14:00 -
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As a new player the price tag for these is liekly to be a hardship. These are going to be out rageous. Given it is already expected to be 50% higher than any other pirate cruiser just for the bpc; then facter in the high demand for these to form the core for blops DPS fleets, and you are likely looking at a hull you can barely afford to fit let alone lose. I am no expert (obviously) But I wouldn't be much surprised to see these running in the same cost range of comperably fit T3's. Maybe even as high as the faction battleships.
If you really are just looking for exploration, there are more than adequate options at a fraction of the cost that don't have such a shiny kill mail attached to them. Fly those until the market and ganks stabilize would be my advice. Or just fly the cloaky nullified T3 of your choice and have similar results. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:43:00 -
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Ship looks horribad... no way I'm fitting lasers on a ship. Also it gets fantastic drone dps except its an armor tanker. If only it'd been Minnie.
Also wtf? Has 500m3 drone bay? Dominix from memory has around 300... |
Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy
538
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:50:00 -
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New stats are 100m3 band width and 400m3 drone bay... just fyi. |
Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:20:00 -
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So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:38:00 -
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Odithia wrote:So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.
Gotta say, I highly doubt this. SoE LP is traditionally some of the most expensive out there to start and there's no reason to believe that an additional source of demand won't drive the price further up. Couple that with the 50% empire premium for the ships and throw in the fact that -- unlike true pirate cruisers -- none of the demand will be met by drops and you're just asking for a premium price point for some time. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:49:00 -
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What do you mean by "50% empire premium?"
Odithia wrote:So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost.
Lol no.
Expect them to be 500m+ for at least 2 months if not longer. Everyone is going to want one of these, and some will want several. While the ship is far weaker then an ishtar once stripped of its cloak and probe strength, its going to have fantastic applications in PVP and PVE. One month of dudes running missions for a single level 4 agent is not going to come close to satisfying demand. Especially when you consider that pirate cruisers come from drops moreso than LP, and navy cruisers have agents all over hisec you can mission for, PLUS the effects of faction warfare making navy cruisers more available. There's no other ship in the game that has a comparable means of supply. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
330
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:08:00 -
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Batelle wrote:What do you mean by "50% empire premium?" Odithia wrote:So many people have been farming SOE missions and stockpiling LPs for month that you can expect the market to be filled with SOE ships and their price to quickly drop to regular pirate cruisers cost. Lol no. Expect them to be 500m+ for at least 2 months if not longer. Everyone is going to want one of these, and some will want several. While the ship is far weaker then an ishtar once stripped of its cloak and probe strength, its going to have fantastic applications in PVP and PVE. One month of dudes running missions for a single level 4 agent is not going to come close to satisfying demand. Especially when you consider that pirate cruisers come from drops moreso than LP, and navy cruisers have agents all over hisec you can mission for, PLUS the effects of faction warfare making navy cruisers more available. There's no other ship in the game that has a comparable means of supply.
The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
330
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:17:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ship looks horribad... no way I'm fitting lasers on a ship. Also it gets fantastic drone dps except its an armor tanker. If only it'd been Minnie.
Also wtf? Has 500m3 drone bay? Dominix from memory has around 300...
It sounds like the idea is for SOE ships to be useful for extended duration sojourns without needing to worry about ammunition resupply (hence the lasers and drones, and the outsized drone bay to carry spare drones to replace losses). Although I think that when they dropped the Stratios' bandwidth down to 100 (equivalent to the Myrmidon, which packs a more than respectable punch), they also lowered the drone bay size to 400. |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
300
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:42:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote: The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog.
Haha, that's fantastic. I must have missed that little nugget. That said, it would be nice if you could also get that bonus from their food relief lvl 4 agent in ROIR. All things considered though, I would bet that getting out to X-7OMU with a tengu and running missions is quite doable for the dedicated and savvy pilot, as long as the station undock isn't permacamped by instalocking alpha-tornadoes. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1691
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:56:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Batelle wrote:What do you mean by "50% empire premium?" The SOE ships will be priced at standard pirate frigate/cruiser LP costs only at Sanctuary Corporation, which kind of requires you to run a gauntlet through Goonswarm space. The Sisters of EVE LP stores will have an LP markup of about 50% over the Sanctuary cost, according to the dev blog.
Exact line, second to last para:
Quote:Both of these ships will be on offer from all Servant Sisters of EVE corporations in the game, which means these will be the first GÇÿpirate factionGÇÖ ships available in high sec. This doesnGÇÖt come without a cost though. Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.
So yeah. No cheap Stratios for some time. If ever. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:15:00 -
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For a Stratios You need to get your Amarr cruise skill up, Gallente cruiser skill, armor skills up, exploring skills up, laasers skills kinda up, but not really, drones skills up. and cloak skill up.
The Stratios won't be cheap, but I have a good deal of LP in SoE, email this toon in game and I'll give you a discount on the frigate or Stratios, if you promise to not pimp fit it. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
309
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:04:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:For a Stratios You need to get your Amarr cruise skill up, Gallente cruiser skill, armor skills up, exploring skills up, laasers skills kinda up, but not really, drones skills up. and cloak skill up.
The Stratios won't be cheap, but I have a good deal of LP in SoE, email this toon in game and I'll give you a discount on the frigate or Stratios, if you promise to not pimp fit it.
I can say with confidence that for most PVE applications you will not need laser skills |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:42:00 -
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I don't really understand the lore aspect as to why Gallente engineers would collude with Amarr engineers to produce a ship. I'm not keen on lasers either so I don't think I will be flying them. They look a bit too much like the eagles from Space 1999 as well. |
BadKitty Miau
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.10 14:48:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote: They look a bit too much like the eagles from Space 1999 as well. oh boy, did we just age ourselves next ship design will look like its from the UFO tv series, or Starblazers
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:59:00 -
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I wonder how long those sellorders will stay unchanged at overpriced places. Demand for those won't be high, as they are basically not usable for most exploration content. (Meaning there are other ships getting the job done twice, no joke, twice as good as that thing)
The ship is nice, but it's very little more than a blown up combat scanner that doesn't lose you skillpoints, or a very subpar cloaky combat ship afterall. Their Sentry-performance is kinda down the gutter...
...and they are terible blops-shps. We tried blopsing with Hamgus (so ~500dps), blopsing that along with 2 RR-Gus and a webloki, making for near perfect applied damage - and it still wasn't outperforming bombers on the offensive side. I doubt those stratios will. So stratios as a BLOPS-dps-core... no, that is not worth it.
As for exploration, there is no content worth using that stratios for. Need to run relics/datas? Use a covops! Need to run complexes? Use an ishtar! Need to cloaky tackle? Use a proteus, it's (probably) cheaper.
They will be narrowed down niche product with some applications, they will be flown plated as scouts for wh-fleets, they will maybe be used as a +1 for a very small roam, but that's pretty much it. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:02:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:I wonder how long those sellorders will stay unchanged at overpriced places. Demand for those won't be high, as they are basically not usable for most exploration content. (Meaning there are other ships getting the job done twice, no joke, twice as good as that thing)
The ship is nice, but it's very little more than a blown up combat scanner that doesn't lose you skillpoints, or a very subpar cloaky combat ship afterall. Their Sentry-performance is kinda down the gutter...
...and they are terible blops-shps. We tried blopsing with Hamgus (so ~500dps), blopsing that along with 2 RR-Gus and a webloki, making for near perfect applied damage - and it still wasn't outperforming bombers on the offensive side. I doubt those stratios will. So stratios as a BLOPS-dps-core... no, that is not worth it.
As for exploration, there is no content worth using that stratios for. Need to run relics/datas? Use a covops! Need to run complexes? Use an ishtar! Need to cloaky tackle? Use a proteus, it's (probably) cheaper.
They will be narrowed down niche product with some applications, they will be flown plated as scouts for wh-fleets, they will maybe be used as a +1 for a very small roam, but that's pretty much it.
I'd consider it a viable alternative to a T3 in some low sec, especially with 3/10s suddenly available. I also think you're selling them short on PvP, but I haven't had a chance to test that yet. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:07:00 -
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Where will you be able to get the SoE ships, and BPCs, and how much will they cost, and how many LPs? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:31:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Where will you be able to get the SoE ships, and BPCs, and how much will they cost, and how many LPs?
Scroll up. |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
315
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:59:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:as they are basically not usable for most exploration content. (Meaning there are other ships getting the job done twice, no joke, twice as good as that thing)
Stratios will be able to clear some of the more difficult nullsec sites solo (and with reasonable speed). It'll just require far more ISK sunk into the modules (and the hull) than an ishtar. I did my eft tests based on guri/serp, against which the ishtar is strongest, and its safe to say that the wide gap will be narrower against other factions. I agree that if you're in sov space there's probably little reason to take out one of these vs a better and cheaper ishtar. It doesn't help that the Ishtar also has a fantastic cargohold. For people dualboxing a prober/scout, replacing their scout with a Stratios could be a significant improvement to their clear-speed, in which case you also won't need to pimp it.
In lowsec however, where performance requirements are lower, the Stratios will be THE ship of choice.
Quote:The ship is nice, but it's very little more than a blown up combat scanner that doesn't lose you skillpoints, or a very subpar cloaky combat ship afterall. Their Sentry-performance is kinda down the gutter...
Stratios has the highest DPS of any covert ship, its agility is between a vigiliant (very agile) and a cynabal (wtf agility), and it can fit a bonused core probe launcher without sacrificing anything in the way of fttings. Sentry ships also have excellent dps projection for the kind of numbers they get. Eve players are inventive enough to figure out their best use. A LOT of people are going to die by these ships. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:16:00 -
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Thank and sorry for not reading through it all, I should have. Next question, where are the Sancuray Corps located at? And what will be the LP exchange rate be at? |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:19:00 -
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Batelle,
I agree, both the frigate and cruiser will be good PvP ships, fit right, and the Stratios will be a pretty good PvE ship also. In hot drop fleets, and cloak roaming fleets this ships are going to be deadly, and any fleet the best thing about them is they can warp cloaked and that means they can pick thier prey. The odd thing about this is they are SoE ships, but will be a ship used by pirates big time. Poor SoE haha |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:28:00 -
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These ships are going to be an absolute favourite for cloaky campers, ninja ratters, people doing exploration in hostile space. All risky occupations. Demand should remain high. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:49:00 -
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Malcanis,
I agree, and there use in exploring and the new exploring sites will help them stay in high demand also. I do wish the Stratios had a better bonus then the 50% the optmial range for lasers, it won't keep people from using proj or hybrids on them at all. If they gave it 100% damage bonus and only gave it 2 gun slots and took one high slot out then lasers would pretty much need to be used. But where would that high slot end up, med or low? Or would keeping the 5th high slot work better? |
Therran Promitz
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:19:00 -
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if(shipTypeNew == TRUE){ cout<<"SHIP IS BAD MAH LOKIS"}
Repeat ad infinitum. I personally am looking forward to cloaky exploration drone boats. Means I wont have to use my Gnosises(Gnoses?) for exploration no more. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:46:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Thank and sorry for not reading through it all, I should have. Next question, where are the Sancuray Corps located at? And what will be the LP exchange rate be at?
Sanctuary is in X-7OMU in Pure Blind. Not the happiest place to run missions. LP conversion there should be the same as for any other pirate corporation: 240,000 LP and 15,000,000 ISK for a cruiser hull or 80,000 LP and 20,000,000 ISK for a cruiser BP. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:49:00 -
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Zhilia Mann,
Thanks, 240,000 LP for a hull, that kinda blows, but I plan to get BPCs so I'm good. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:48:00 -
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If I am in 0.0 at a SoE Academy, I shouldn't get the 50% knock up on the SoE ship prices right? It would be the same as all other faction ships and BPs? |
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