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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:27:00 -
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I mean after all if I was not pure and clean of sin would allah have allowed me to win the glorious jihad? I think not. |
Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
209
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Interesting & thought provoking post OP +1
Other than the previously mentioned CVA or anti-pirate groups, I'm struggling to think of any other groups (outside of hi sec) that could be described as aiming for a 'good guy' group play style. There are plenty of good guys. My alts have been with truly fantastic guys trusting a (back in time) newbie (me) with lots of stuff, gifting him tons of goodies and ships and even teachings. Plenty of people willing to teach valuable stuff both in game and in written (tutorials, software) form. Even I, try doing a tiny good by managing a charity. An in game => RL charity standing since 2011 in the cold, harsh EvE universe.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I applaud groups such as yours that seek to improve the gaming experience of others. My observation had the caveats of outside of hi sec and restricted to play style within the game. For instance, I have often given ISK and ships to my fellow corp mates but I recognise that isn't purely altruistic.
Thinking out loud here and a new mechanic; what if a pilot under attack could issue a mayday broadcast, allowing anyone that so wishes to warp directly to them? The good guys might then be able to help whilst the crime was being commited rather than after the event. Of course, issuing such a distress call has the chance of attracting further criminals. |
Don Purple
Black Plague Industries
112
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:40:00 -
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I would like to say I'm a good guy bettering this game for everyone in it!.
I enjoy traveling from corp to corp helping them learn the game assisting them and helping them grow. When I find a group of "evil" players I do my best to shut them down and make the game better for the corporations doing "good". I shall relieve all evil players of their hordes of internet space pixels and pass my experiences on too the new and mold-able generations of space warriors. If a corporation is full of great people who might go far I will assist them on their journey!!
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Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
112
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:26:00 -
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There've been several good suggestions and ideas so far in here from varying playstyles in the game. How you apply your time and effort will be up to you. Help newbies, shoot at people and make friends, join an anti-pirate faction, or even throw your hand in the whole CODE vs miners tempest that's been roiling.... on either side: either help the CODE destroy the evil afk botters, or volunteer your time to help guard helpless miners from the evil gankers. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm just pleased to see a thread in GD that isn't primarily griping :) |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
633
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:17:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote: I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?
Truly good players are rare in EvE, the true test is resisting becoming like the rest of them, those that have taken the easy road to the darkside. One should never give up, regardless of how many times these players might trick, steal, lie and cheat. You should take solace and strength from the fact that you are one of the special and unique players. Personally, i try to be good to those that i know, and those that seem to need help. Everyone else i view with an air of suspicion. Trust is something that definately needs to be earned, and in New Eden this is doubly so. There is a very thick band of scum floating on the surface of EvE, and you've really got to get through all that crap to meet the best of people. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1600
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:23:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:
I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?
No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.
(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)
* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions.
I'd say being good means you help out people when you can , don't scam , don't gank/suicide in empire , no awoxing and don't backstab .It has nothing to do with pvp in low-sec/wormholes/high-sec and the political game it involves.
But then that is a personal viewpoint as i have never done any of the above i'd view myself as a good guy , though i did smartbomb and kill a mackfleet of about 8 guys and their pods in the process in empire once but that was because they where bots and some friends of mine had trouble with them.And yes they where DEFINATLY bots as shown by the warping in and out after the suicide OP of one of their pods that got away .
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Nectora Van Alpen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:24:00 -
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People ALWAYS forget. You have to help them constantly to keep them remember you.
Trust me. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
619
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:45:00 -
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Just because a majority of the player base act like jerks doesn't mean everyone will.
There is room for good guys in New Eden it just depends what you're consideration of good is and how much you want to do. I would consider myself a "good guy" in that I don't pirate, harass or troll people. In fact my entire corporation and alliance are against that, we're a roaming PVP alliance but we look for fights for the fun and enjoyment of combat whilst our non-PVP time is spent trying to give people a stepping stone into NullSec via Providence and the NRDS stance.
If you want to be good look at taking new members and helping them out, maybe building some ships or mining some minerals to help out others. Be that person who runs around the four Empires helping people complete missions they're stuck on etc.
There is room for good in EVE you just need to find what is your good and what you're willing to do. |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
164
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I don't really understand OP. Title is "Being a good guy", but then OP refuses to define what "good" is to her. Some instances of "good" have been mentioned, but no concrete definition of good is to be had.
I like to think of myself as a good guy in New Eden. I help miners learn about tanking their 200m exhumers and watching local so that they don't have to learn painful lessons with their battleships and such later on. A couple of weeks ago a couple of guys came in my wh system in a Mackinaw and a Drake. Not understanding the mechanics of whs I guess, they didn't realize they collapsed the thing with their last trip in. Since they didn't have a probe launcher between them, I gave them an exit from the wh lest they be trapped forever. I cherish their corpses and the time we spent together.
Sure there was that time a Probe was just sitting in the ore anom, not even cloaked, and I pinned him with my Loki while my friend warped in so we could both get in on the km. But after scooping his corpse we noticed he was only a few days old. So we convo'd him, gave him some tips (stay out of whs for awhile) and gave him some isk to cover the next few Probes he might lose.
Am I not good?
If you encourage someone to learn, and grow in the game, then you make it better for everyone. I was stealthbombed in a mining barge the first time I tried to mine in a WH (3 full holds first) that was fair game I knew the risks and took them and I will of course return the favour now I am in a wormhole corp. I would also think twice about exterminating a hapless victim, where's the challenge in that? Who would gain. We can be who we want in EVE and discover the real person inside of us, I would like to feel I like that person. Some lessons are more valuable than mere isk. |
George Wizardry
Asian P0RN
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:04:00 -
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I believe to be good in Eve as in Rl is to do things that most if not all would judge to be a morally correct act.
Also to do things for 'good' is to do those things for the act itself not to be remembered for doing the act.
Good/evil/kind/bad is all a judgement call :)
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Nectora Van Alpen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:20:00 -
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George Wizardry wrote:I believe to be good in Eve as in Rl is to do things that most if not all would judge to be a morally correct act.
So... is asian p0rn SO good? :) |
George Wizardry
Asian P0RN
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:05:00 -
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Nectora Van Alpen wrote:George Wizardry wrote:I believe to be good in Eve as in Rl is to do things that most if not all would judge to be a morally correct act. So... is asian p0rn SO good? :)
According to my judgement it is :)
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1000
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:16:00 -
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George Wizardry wrote:Nectora Van Alpen wrote:George Wizardry wrote:I believe to be good in Eve as in Rl is to do things that most if not all would judge to be a morally correct act. So... is asian p0rn SO good? :) According to my judgement it is :)
You have sound judgement. |
Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
69
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:34:00 -
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Back when I started this game in 2007 the king of the hills were BoB. The ethos of the game, when they were in the top spot, was very different. A sneering type of arrogance based on perceived eliteness. The same people, or the same kind of people, that now say things like 'play with friends' when they blob used to sneer at the blob as beneath them in their eliteness.
Back then the sheep all joined Bob, which diluted Bob to the point where they couldn't maintain their ethos of sneering superiority any longer. The losses mounted up. The idea burst. So the sheep left, or were kicked, from Bob. Now the sheep join the CFC.
Now they try to maintain the ethos of the cfc, the bad guys. But, that will change too when CFC meets the same fate as Bob. And maybe then the sheep will join the new ethos of the moral capsuleer. I don't know.
But it's up to the players, and if enough refuse to be sheep, then there's nothing stopping a 'force for Good' in Eve. When they start to win some, sheep will flock to them. Maybe in five years time we'll complain about there being no bad guys in this harsh and dystopian game. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
660
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:58:00 -
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Maybe a person in Eve is "good" if they follow a code and therefore have a predictable nature in their dealings with others? As opposed to a person of uncertain attitudes prone to backstabbing both enemy and friend alike.
I myself am once again judged good by this definition in that I always follow the Code of the Pirate Brethren as set down by the pirates Morgan and Bartholomew, on behalf of the second Brethren Court. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
290
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:04:00 -
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science and industry forum is full of people answering the same questions day after day politely. market discussions contains plenty of people helping others out. i have had wormholers trap me for hours and then when i offered to pay a ransom honour it. Plenty of pirates take on trainees. Corps like Shiva, EVOL and Goonswarm operate on communist lines allowing newer players endless ships. EVE uni is a thing offering training and also plenty of guides for members and non members alike. I often hand over hundreds of millions of isk worth of stuff for corpmates to transport. My corpmates train me at PVP even though i suck at it. I am sure many pvp corps are similar. James and the new order are saving high sec. Erotica allows plenty of observers to monitor her fun business program and donates billions to good causes. Somer have funded plenty of in game and out of game stuff Cannibal Kane (terrorist of our hearts) often picks battles based on how nice people are. The myraid addons like IPH and dotlan we all use every day were made by players.
The beauty of eve is not that everyone is the villain but that everyone CAN be the villain and thus making trust a valuable commodity rather than something forced on you by game mechanics. This is basically what Baltac (i hope i remembered the spelling of his name correctly ) said earlier but with more words. The ability to trust appropriately is what marks a good eve player from a bad one imo. |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:07:00 -
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OP, contact Cannibal Kane for guidance. You can thank me later. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
170
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:04:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Maybe a person in Eve is "good" if they follow a code and therefore have a predictable nature in their dealings with others? As opposed to a person of uncertain attitudes prone to backstabbing both enemy and friend alike..
That's being "lawful" which isn't necessarily "good".
When I have time to be online I help new corps get started which some might consider "good".
However I have also in the past been a merc and indulged in some piracy as well but would always honour a ransom and kept my word which isn't being "good" but it is being "lawful".
It's semantics I guess.
I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5120
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:17:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt. oh ho some kind of agenda spotted |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5120
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:18:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:science and industry forum is full of people answering the same questions day after day politely. market discussions contains plenty of people helping others out. i have had wormholers trap me for hours and then when i offered to pay a ransom honour it. Plenty of pirates take on trainees. Corps like Shiva, EVOL and Goonswarm operate on communist lines allowing newer players endless ships. EVE uni is a thing offering training and also plenty of guides for members and non members alike. I often hand over hundreds of millions of isk worth of stuff for corpmates to transport. My corpmates train me at PVP even though i suck at it. I am sure many pvp corps are similar. James and the new order are saving high sec. Erotica allows plenty of observers to monitor her fun business program and donates billions to good causes. Somer have funded plenty of in game and out of game stuff Cannibal Kane (terrorist of our hearts) often picks battles based on how nice people are. The myraid addons like IPH and dotlan we all use every day were made by players.
The beauty of eve is not that everyone is the villain but that everyone CAN be the villain and thus making trust a valuable commodity rather than something forced on you by game mechanics. This is basically what Baltac (i hope i remembered the spelling of his name correctly ) said earlier but with more words. The ability to trust appropriately is what marks a good eve player from a bad one imo. I notice you've forgotten somer blink, which ccp has put forward as an honest contributor to our community |
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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
170
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt. oh ho some kind of agenda spotted
Not really, it's about "intent" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1412
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:31:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt. oh ho some kind of agenda spotted Not really, it's about "intent"
Oh, I agree. Illegal mining with intent to sell is much worse than if you meant to consume it yourself.
Granted, the penalty for both is still death. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
170
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt. oh ho some kind of agenda spotted Not really, it's about "intent" Oh, I agree. Illegal mining with intent to sell is much worse than if you meant to consume it yourself. Granted, the penalty for both is still death.
Well the "intent" revolves around whether you are trying to genuinely enhance someone's enjoyment of the game or deliberately trying to **** them off as an act of malice for your personal enjoyment
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