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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6229
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:50:00 -
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That being said I must have missed the part in this thread where some proof was actually offered for the claim.
I'm all for getting all indignant on CCP for doing stupid things, as long as I'm decently sure they actually did it. It's believable for sure, but I'd like to have some hard evidence. |
Kate stark
846
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:50:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kate stark wrote: CCP are simply inconsistent in it's enforcement of the rules.
Tell me something, do you think an organization that is "inconsistent in it's enforcement of the rules" will somehow change its inconsistency based off of one trivially insignificant case? Do you honestly think that such an inconsistent organization uses such trivial events as precedents for later action? CCP doesn't follow precedent, never has. Don't believe me? They flip-flop on whether a dozen decloak cans on a gate is either allowed or a bannable repeat offense on an almost weekly basis. CCP does not follow precedent on anything. If they did, they would never have given out rare blueprints again after T20.
and that's the reason for the thread. people are sick and tired of this inconsistency. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6229
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:53:00 -
[303] - Quote
Seriously though. Did I miss something? The only "proof" I see is Erotica1 telling us how this guy's API shows the reimbursed skillpoints. But that's just her word. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2244
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:58:00 -
[304] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Seriously though. Did I miss something? The only "proof" I see is Erotica1 telling us how this guy's API shows the reimbursed skillpoints. But that's just her word.
See your evemail. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1905
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:37:00 -
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Darius JOHNSON wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response. Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air.
Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread.
I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles.
In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story.
Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article.
Because now, they've got a whole new kettle of fish to deal with.
For the record...
I want my free SP for the three months I was subbed but not playing due to intense studying at university. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
500
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:39:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Darius JOHNSON wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response. Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air. Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread. I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles. In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story. Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article. Bwaahahahahah
Sorry, no. Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website. It's self serving action.
That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1905
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:40:00 -
[307] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Darius JOHNSON wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response. Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air. Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread. I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles. In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story. Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article. Bwaahahahahah Sorry, no. Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website. It's self serving action. That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA.
Of course she is, but that doesn't change the subject matter of the content that she is using to do so now does it? If a presidential candidate is accepting bribes and his competitor points that out, with evidence, for the sake of winning the election, do you just ignore the fact that a presidential candidate is accepting bribes by virtue of the subject matter serving an ulterior motive? |
Motoko Innocentius
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:41:00 -
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Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2246
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:50:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.
I am very clear that I am responding to a player announcement in chat and ts and what we can see in a public API. I am not asking for nor have I viewed a petition response to Heavy Rayne. That distinction is important if you want to start talking about rules.
Many people here know how much I respect CCP overall and the EULA.
The GM's made their announcement public when they awarded the skillpoints to a character who has an active full account API live. No I will not post another player's API on Eve forums.
*edit* Velicitia is deciding whether to break Heavy Rayne's alpha pod record as we speak. He also unplugged his golden pod. You can google his killmail if you need "proof" as I will not link killmails here either. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1906
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:52:00 -
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Motoko Innocentius wrote:Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.
It could well be spun that way if and when this thread gets locked, but look back throughout the history of EVE and the various scandals that CCP have faced and you would see a pattern - no amount of thread-locking tempered the outrage over Incarna, T-20, and more recently SOMER (<<-- to me, this one was an overreaction, but I digress), and now this. Free SP for "my brother did it"? Not good enough. In fact, of all the developers I love and respect, this is the first I've seen cave to this pathetic excuse for dumbarsery. Bungie would have laughed at him and told him to get ******, Turn 10 would have bricked his console (if it was a console game, but let's not go there...), and if it was a LAN party in the 90s, we would have taken his hardware outside and smashed it all on the pavement. Anything that didn't break instantly would then be immediately sledge-hammered while the player was restrained and tickled incessantly to reduce his ability to struggle. |
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Bal'Ayle
Sneaky Bastards. Mildly Intoxicated
5
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:37:00 -
[311] - Quote
As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.
Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.
If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.
Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?
I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!
I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.
Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2247
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:42:00 -
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Bal'Ayle wrote:As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.
Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.
If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.
Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?
I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!
I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.
Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.
Actually, he returned the following day to do some more poddings. I just want to point that out. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22298
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:43:00 -
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Bal'Ayle wrote:Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged. Well, that was the intention behind the whole thing... to ennrage people... that was reason behind all the recent "scandals". That's certainly one way to make a name for oneself in in the community... In politics it's called populism - plump, but effective. |
Bal'Ayle
Sneaky Bastards. Mildly Intoxicated
5
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:53:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Bal'Ayle wrote:As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.
Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.
If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.
Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?
I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!
I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.
Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged. Actually, he returned the following day to do some more poddings. I just want to point that out.
My apologies Erotica 1 - If that is in fact the case the previous SP should be removed if he is deliberately doing this to himself. As I said if it was a once off, OMG what happened moment I applaud CCP for their kindness. I have been burned in the past and to see such a gift squandered is disgussting.
Shalua Rui - I have not had many dealing with Erotica 1, I have just come back from an absence. I think perhaps making oneself the enemy of CCP relations would have a negative effect with the community? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
574
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:58:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Motoko Innocentius wrote:Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings. I am very clear that I am responding to a player announcement in chat and ts and what we can see in a public API. I am not asking for nor have I viewed a petition response to Heavy Rayne. That distinction is important if you want to start talking about rules. Many people here know how much I respect CCP overall and the EULA. The GM's made their announcement public when they awarded the skillpoints to a character who has an active full account API live. No I will not post another player's API on Eve forums. *edit* Velicitia is deciding whether to break Heavy Rayne's alpha pod record as we speak. He also unplugged his golden pod. You can google his killmail if you need "proof" as I will not link killmails here either. Pfffft. Post with your main. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1907
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:02:00 -
[316] - Quote
Bal'Ayle wrote:As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.
Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.
If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.
Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?
I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!
I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.
Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.
Real world analogy incoming...
If you make a stupid decision to hand your car keys to a stranger, and he takes off with the car, do you think the manufacturer should give you a new one?
The point is, though, analogies aside, as you said, "he had a really stupid decision undone with him," but for a game that's purported to consequence-oriented, all he's going to learn from this is that he can get away with making stupid decisions by claiming "his brother did it". That is, quite simply, he suffered zero consequences for poor decision making, which is so far from the true flavour of EVE that he might as well be playing something else entirely. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1151
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:04:00 -
[317] - Quote
Just block the attention wh'o and get back to shooting each other ingame in the face, problem solved.
I for one will not get my panties in a bunch and get jacked up by something as vague, unfounded, easily misinterpreted and forged "evidence" as presented by an attention wh'o like the OP.
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
633
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:30:00 -
[318] - Quote
Erotica's constant scams has real-life effects?
Who would have thought!?
Seriously, just how many people are you going to Pod over and over, make sing and dance, send silly pictures of themselves to you, all for your own twisted amusement, just to collect their tears? Oh, and there's the isk you steal from them too, mustn't forget that.
Personally, love that he got his skillpoints back. One less thing for these scammers to get turned on by. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2462
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:30:00 -
[319] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Bwaahahahahah
Sorry, no. Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website. It's self serving action.
That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA.
API logs. You're the third person to ask this. They're in the hands of various people. |
BigDaddy Cool
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:40:00 -
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Anything that annoys scammers and those that support them is more than welcome. CCP were right to reimburse his skillpoints as it annoyed the scammers. |
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KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
616
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:43:00 -
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Yea....
I just remembered...
In my first trial, I accidently flew into lowsec, and got podded. I lost some skillpoints.
I didn't sub that trial. But had I not rage quit...I would have had 4 or so additional months.
Granted, it would be on a different character...
But I would have still have it, had I not lost skillpoints.
Hey, CCP...
I think it was my grandmother that killed me.
I am not sure.
She can't tell me who her alts are...
But I feel I need that taken care of as well.
Thanks.
(Sorry I forgot earlier. ) |
Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:45:00 -
[322] - Quote
If ccp actually responds to the OP I will lose all respect to them, stand your ground CCP!!!!!!!! this is why I love valve.
In any case this reminds me of a funny situation I had back in my school classes:
-Teacher talking about metal bands about how they're satanist and all that crap :
teacher: "BLA BLA BLA It is well know that x band and y band... "
student: "cool, do you have proof, is it documented?"
teacher: "YES IT"S RIGHT HERE *WAVES HANDS WITH SHEETS OF PAPER*"
student: "Nice let's read them please"
teacher: "IT"S RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS *KEEPS WAVING*"
student: "cool please show us these papers"
teacher: "I HAVE THEM RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS"
student: "..." |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
587
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:49:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Stop posting and biomass..
Biomass doesn't matter either you can get that back minus bookmarks, isk and a few other things.
...and I actually did lose SP by NOT SHARING my account to be reset when I was away. What goofball at CCP do I petition to get those back? |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2465
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:51:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:If ccp actually responds to the OP I will lose all respect to them, stand your ground CCP!!!!!!!! this is why I love valve. In any case this reminds me of a funny situation I had back in my school classes: -Teacher talking about metal bands about how they're satanist and all that crap : teacher: "BLA BLA BLA It is well know that x band and y band... " student: "cool, do you have proof, is it documented?" teacher: "YES IT"S RIGHT HERE *WAVES HANDS WITH SHEETS OF PAPER*" student: "Nice let's read them please" teacher: "IT"S RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS *KEEPS WAVING*" student: "cool please show us these papers" teacher: "I HAVE THEM RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS" student: "..."
I'm confused, are you arguing for or against Erotica?
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Decian Cor
Disconnected. Moon Warriors
27
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:00:00 -
[325] - Quote
You Guys Need To:
Keep Calm and Pod On |
Crazey Monkey
nul-li-fy Nulli Secunda
16
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:02:00 -
[326] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:Anomaly One wrote:If ccp actually responds to the OP I will lose all respect to them, stand your ground CCP!!!!!!!! this is why I love valve. In any case this reminds me of a funny situation I had back in my school classes: -Teacher talking about metal bands about how they're satanist and all that crap : teacher: "BLA BLA BLA It is well know that x band and y band... " student: "cool, do you have proof, is it documented?" teacher: "YES IT"S RIGHT HERE *WAVES HANDS WITH SHEETS OF PAPER*" student: "Nice let's read them please" teacher: "IT"S RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS *KEEPS WAVING*" student: "cool please show us these papers" teacher: "I HAVE THEM RIGHT HERE IN MY HANDS" student: "..." I'm confused, are you arguing for or against Erotica? I think he is arguing against Satanist Metal bands. :/ |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1525
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:10:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Honestly, y'all need to chill.
So some nub that Erotica managed to scam (or however he managed to get the API) got some SP. What's this guy gonna do, fit t2 mining lasers to his hulk? The SP is non-transferable.
Going over every tiny interaction CCP has with its player base will accomplish nothing, it will only deaden the communication channels that exist between the player base and the devs. Facts are CCP only treats carebears this nicely.
Well done for bringing Somer Blink into this |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
456
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:29:00 -
[328] - Quote
The best sob story wins. Eve is becoming the X factor. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:34:00 -
[329] - Quote
I like how capitalists turn into socialists (temporary) to appeal to masses when it's about limiting someone's else interests. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:39:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Beaver Retriever wrote:Anslo wrote:Stop posting and biomass. This isn't a slap in the face to Eve at all. It's a nice troll of highsec gankbears.
Cry more, nerds. What the actual **** is a 'gankbear'? None of you people who use that nonsensical word can actually explain it. Stop shitposting. someone who only ganks weak targets who won't fight and evades any "dangerous" kind of pvp where he can't warp shoot and repeat etc. something. edit: hey can someone tell me why doesn't james 315 actually log in in game? he hasn't been online for 2 weeks+ If we're lucky he went to real life prison...but I don't think they lock you up for being wierd... |
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