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Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:05:00 -
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They recovered his SP but didn't recover his brain.
I'm sure this kind of guy will fall again to the hands of another predator. Don't worry about it. |
Frying Doom
3310
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:06:00 -
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Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:Radax Glenn wrote: I would pay very close attention to paragraph four.
I would pay closer attention to 1.3 "Reimbursement will only be granted if a loss is attributable to a bug or server error. " Did the player in question loose his skillpoints due to a "bug or server error"? or
Section 9. 5. If someone gained access to your account as a result of your use of a third party program or other violation of our EULA/TOS, all requests for reimbursement will be null and void. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
535
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:07:00 -
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Barkaial Starfinder wrote:How is this troll so successful? Sad thing is it's no troll.
Maybe CCP diverted more resources from Eve to Dust and the Vampire game and it was the new intern?
Speculation, of course.
Absent proper explanation, alot of decisions from the powers that be these days seem to boggle. |
Impala59
While in Empire Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
7
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:09:00 -
[214] - Quote
The only solution is 17m sps to every account. I am waiting with baited breath. |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:10:00 -
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If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. |
Impala59
While in Empire Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
7
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:14:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen.
Grrr Goons? |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
535
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:15:00 -
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Cut thought the dramaticva of this thread and I have to say the OP has a point.
Evidence shows CCP "gifted" a player back 17m SP he lost under "permissable" mechanics.
For the lack of looking like they favour some players over others, surely clarification as to the rationalle behind the decision might be expected ? |
Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:15:00 -
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Impala59 wrote:The only solution is 17m sps to every account. I am waiting with baited breath.
keep waiting |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:17:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:19:00 -
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Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so.
So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook. |
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dexington
Dexington Corporation
862
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:21:00 -
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Impala59 wrote:The only solution is 17m sps to every account. I am waiting with baited breath.
the only solution is that ccp first remove 17M sp from every account, and they add 17M sp to every account. |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:21:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook. No it's not okey. Okey would be you getting banned for account sharing. ;) |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:22:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen.
Nobody stole anything, he wasn't man enough to admit his error. That guy was a fool, he got fooled and paid the price of his stupidity. On top of that he admits he shares accounts.
If anything, that guy had to be banned, not rewarded. |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:22:00 -
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Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook. No it's not okey. Okey would be you getting banned for account sharing. ;)
So account sharing should be legal |
Zazz Razzamatazz
New Order Permit Compliance Division
13
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:23:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook.
Yes, because you would have violated the EULA- "You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3215
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:25:00 -
[226] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook.
Only complete morons use the same passwords over multiple sites. So yeah, it'd be your fault. CCP can't fix your stupidity. Only you can.
Mr Epeen
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Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:26:00 -
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Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Alt Two wrote:Knights Armament wrote:If someone stole my account, and killed my character over and over and I lost years worth of training, I'd hope CCP would fix it. Its no different than if someone steals an entire alliances assets from hacking an account, or disbanding an alliance completely.
What if someone from CCP gave the login information to the ceo of goonswarm to some "friends" to have them disband the alliance, should CCP allow that to happen. There's a difference between having your account stolen and willingly giving someone your login details, and then even admitting to doing so. So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook. Yes, because you would have violated the EULA- "You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." (emphasis mine)
Obviously the EULA isn't perfect, if I died how would someone notify people in game, or on the forums if they didn't have access to my account? What about Vile Rats account that has assets that belong to goonwaffe, shouldn't they be able to retrieve those assets from his account, or for his children/wife to play the account. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
568
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:26:00 -
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Fck it, I say remove 17mil SP from EVERY account. Only way to be sure you get EVERYONE that account shares. Need to be fair and consistent, amirite? |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:28:00 -
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Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:Knights Armament wrote: So if my ex-girlfriend who knows my login information for eve decides to kill my character 100 times because we broke up thats ok, because I willingly gave her the password I use for facebook.
Yes, because you would have violated the EULA- "You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." (emphasis mine) Also, in case he tries to claim "But I didn't share my EVE password. I shared my facebook password and they just happened to be the same." https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms Facebook also doesn't allow account sharing. |
Reiisha
Evolution
392
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:31:00 -
[230] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:Yes, because you would have violated the EULA- "You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." (emphasis mine) Obviously the EULA isn't perfect, if I died how would someone notify people in game, or on the forums if they didn't have access to my account? What about Vile Rats account that has assets that belong to goonwaffe, shouldn't they be able to retrieve those assets from his account, or for his children/wife to play the account.
Why would people need to be notified that someone stopped playing? Wouldn't it be stupid to leave so many assets under the control of just 1 player? Your account is your account, not someone else's.
That said, CCP has kinda dropped the ball here. Heavy was responsible for the account, if he made it so easy that someone could log in to it and do stuff about it, it's his responsibility, not CCP's. If anything, he should have received *at least* a temp ban from CCP.
I hope the responsible GM is being given a stern talking to. Setting a precedent like this is almost enough reason to get fired on the spot - This isn't a mistake you can afford to make. |
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Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:32:00 -
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It seems like the only people who have a problem with this reimbursement are trolls, and people who gain pleasure due to sadism.
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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:32:00 -
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+1 OP Erotica 1 might be a legitimate ISK scammer, but the points s/he makes in this OP are very valid. |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:32:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Zazz Razzamatazz wrote:Yes, because you would have violated the EULA- "You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." (emphasis mine) Obviously the EULA isn't perfect, if I died how would someone notify people in game, or on the forums if they didn't have access to my account? What about Vile Rats account that has assets that belong to goonwaffe, shouldn't they be able to retrieve those assets from his account, or for his children/wife to play the account. Why would people need to be notified that someone stopped playing? Wouldn't it be stupid to leave so many assets under the control of just 1 player? Your account is your account, not someone else's. That said, CCP has kinda dropped the ball here. Heavy was responsible for the account, if he made it so easy that someone could log in to it and do stuff about it, it's his responsibility, not CCP's. If anything, he should have received *at least* a temp ban from CCP. I hope the responsible GM is being given a stern talking to. Setting a precedent like this is almost enough reason to get fired on the spot - This isn't a mistake you can afford to make.
Well if someone I know goes missing I am required to file a police report. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:33:00 -
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Those of you who are focussing on the account sharing aspect of this thread do not have the ability to see the wider picture.
CCP "gifted" back 17m SP lost under legit mechanics, shame on you who can't see where the real hurr durr is.
Will they ever learn ? |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:35:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Those of you who are focussing on the account sharing aspect of this thread do not have the ability to see the wider picture.
CCP "gifted" back 17m SP lost under legit mechanics, shame on you who can't see where the real hurr durr is.
Will they ever learn ?
But accounts compromised aren't legit mechanics. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
593
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:35:00 -
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Hey CCP, I've lost quite a bit of SP over the years due to clone loss, since this is apparently not a game mechanic, I'd like my refund please. |
Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:38:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Hey CCP, I've lost quite a bit of SP over the years due to clone loss, since this is apparently not a game mechanic, I'd like my refund please. Have you ever lost a T3? If so you should petition those skill points as well. |
Knights Armament
Vermin Supremacy
91
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:38:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Hey CCP, I've lost quite a bit of SP over the years due to clone loss, since this is apparently not a game mechanic, I'd like my refund please. It is a game mechanic if you lose it on your own without your account being compromised by someone else. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
586
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:39:00 -
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CCP...
Before the Battlecruiser skills were split, I was shitfaced drunk, forgot to update my clone, and lost 12 days of training in Battlecruiser V.
Now I understand that is my fault, and I probably shouldn't have been playing drunk, but...
Y'know...
Gotta be fair to your players, right?
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Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:41:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:CCP... Before the Battlecruiser skills were split, I was shitfaced drunk, forgot to update my clone, and lost 12 days of training in Battlecruiser V. Now I understand that is my fault, and I probably shouldn't have been playing drunk, but... Y'know... Gotta be fair to your players, right? You could always claim your brother did it |
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