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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9420
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:56:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:We want to maintain the status quo.
Clearly all of the braindead miners and freighter pilots complaining about getting bumped and ganked want to maintain the status quo
Now, where's your undeniable evidence that will destroy the RMT cartels? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17366
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:See, that is another lie that your keep propagating. What lie is that?
Quote:High sec players want to maintain the status quo. Incorrect. Largely because there is no such thing as a GÇ£high sec playerGÇ¥. They are a thoroughly heterogeneous group with as many wants, wishes, and desires as there are highseccers.
Among all those divergent wishes, though, there is a distinct clique of players who want anything but the status quo. In particular, they want to throw out anyone who doesn't play the game the same way they want to play it. They want to shut down, remove, prohibit, or otherwise make impossible a vast number of valid play styles and presences such as piracy, scamming, ganking, extortion, blockading, and pretty much all forms of warfare be they economic or military or psychological.
They want to drastically alter highsec into something that is completely alien to, and fundamentally incompatible with, the game as a whole: a safe zone or at least an area of consensual-only interaction.
On the other side, there are those highseccers who also don't want to maintain the status quo but who rather want it to change in the opposite direction from what this first group desires: towards the more hostile space it presented in the past or towards a more balanced space compared to other areas or towards a more dynamic space where there is a much more granular and diversified ecology and progression of activities.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that pretty much no-one is actively for a status quo. At most, they don't care either way so they're just GÇ£pro status quoGÇ¥ by default since they don't align with any other direction. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
94
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Please explain why you can't be bothered to look up the fact that for example WoW mentioned above started about the same time as Eve and is still going and that wasn't the point to begin with. Eve is one of my favorite kind of cult games and one of the most beautiful and unique games ever made and it's currently in danger.
The point was CCP has a flat player base and is going in the exact opposite direction that it needs to with it's current focus of alienating the new player base in favor of listening to veteran power blocks. The veterans will convince CCP to hand over more and more resources to them and give new players fewer and fewer playstyle choices other than to be a corporate cog in veteran power blocs. Most of you are all doing that quite nicely here. Only you won't have much of a game soon if you get your way. WoW is hemorrhaging subs, for the precise reason that they pissed off their regular base in the hopes of catering to the noobs and the casuals. Content is cheapened further and further with every patch so little Timmy doesn't feel left behind by the good players. And guess what? People are tired of being loyal to a company that does not value veteran players who supported the game in the first place. So they leave. Meanwhile, EVE flourishes, and remains the only example of a growing subscription model MMO on the market. CCP even has money to burn on stupid projects like DUST.
Way to be wrong in so many ways. I left WOW not because they made it more accessible to the casual player but because they added unnecessary new fight mechanics that added nothing to the game but more rabid button pushing in a game that already pretty much required you play with your shoes off so you could properly run all the hotkeys necessary to be successful.
I also didn't like being pretty muched forced to do dailies to succeed in the Panda expansion and there were quite a number of players that referred to the expansion as 'World of Dailycraft".
My point is that NOBODY, not you or anyone else knows why millions of subs decided to leave WOW because there are probably millions of correct answers but certainly your summation is wholly inaccurate.
As to EVE Flourishing let me introduce you to business 101, to show how wrong you are on that point as well. The number of people world wide playing video games has skyrocketed in the past 10 years but the subs for EVE has only grown at a modest linear growth rate this equates to a net loss of market share.
Lastly, CCP does NOT have money to burn, they dont even have the money to properly keep EVE current. The UI in this game feels its full 10 years of age because CCP doesnt have the money to properly keep it updated. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2152
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:13:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:As to EVE Flourishing let me introduce you to business 101, to show how wrong you are on that point as well. The number of people world wide playing video games has skyrocketed in the past 10 years but the subs for EVE has only grown at a modest linear growth rate this equates to a net loss of market share.
Pretending that every single new person that has started playing video games over the past ten years is a potential EVE subscriber is a pretty large fallacy, especially if "video games" is taken to mean things like mobile based games and casual browser based games like Farmville. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
95
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What could be wrong? Well, for one, it would be rather dangerous to base any kind of change on the uncertain assumption that most players dwell in highsecGǪ
I have a button that highlights where all the ships in EVE exist (updated every 30 mins), when I turn it on I'm blinded by highsec, whereas low, null and true are almost entirely black.
Do you not have this button in the version of EVE you play or is your game play restricted to forum trolling? Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3309
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:09:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What could be wrong? Well, for one, it would be rather dangerous to base any kind of change on the uncertain assumption that most players dwell in highsecGǪ I have a button that highlights where all the ships in EVE exist (updated every 30 mins), when I turn it on I'm blinded by highsec, whereas low, null and true are almost entirely black. Do you not have this button in the version of EVE you play or is your game play restricted to forum trolling?
Ah, another brilliant poster who struggles with the distinction between "players" and "characters". |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1486
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:13:00 -
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Quote:Way to be wrong in so many ways. I left WOW not because they made it more accessible to the casual player but because they added unnecessary new fight mechanics that added nothing to the game but more rabid button pushing in a game that already pretty much required you play with your shoes off so you could properly run all the hotkeys necessary to be successful.
If you think that game is hard, then I'm pretty sure you never learned to keybind.
The rest of your post can be summed up thusly. My evidence is anecdotal.
Which it is. And while I may not be able to speak for the 2.5 million in the last 9 months that dropped that atrocious game, or for you, I can speak for my 53 member guild who all quit simultaneously. We quit because they made it too easy for little Timmy. To be more specific, when we made server first for a 25 man raid achievement, then they nerfed that content the next week. Petty? Perhaps, but that was the straw on the camel's back. Anyone else I know irl gives me much the same reason for their quitting, they got tired of Blizzard's crap. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
95
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What could be wrong? Well, for one, it would be rather dangerous to base any kind of change on the uncertain assumption that most players dwell in highsecGǪ I have a button that highlights where all the ships in EVE exist (updated every 30 mins), when I turn it on I'm blinded by highsec, whereas low, null and true are almost entirely black. Do you not have this button in the version of EVE you play or is your game play restricted to forum trolling? Ah, another brilliant poster who struggles with the distinction between "players" and "characters".
Another player that struggles with the relationship between a ship being piloted and a player piloting such ship?
Honestly, you are saying that despite low, null and true having virtually no ships in them that the mass of the players of EVE are out there?
Id laugh but this conclusion is just sad. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3309
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:20:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What could be wrong? Well, for one, it would be rather dangerous to base any kind of change on the uncertain assumption that most players dwell in highsecGǪ I have a button that highlights where all the ships in EVE exist (updated every 30 mins), when I turn it on I'm blinded by highsec, whereas low, null and true are almost entirely black. Do you not have this button in the version of EVE you play or is your game play restricted to forum trolling? Ah, another brilliant poster who struggles with the distinction between "players" and "characters". Another player that struggles with the relationship between a ship being piloted and a player piloting such ship? Honestly, you are saying that despite low, null and true having virtually no ships in them that the mass of the players of EVE are out there? Id laugh but this conclusion is just sad.
So you're looking at the map 23/7 I see. Too bad you weren't looking at DEV blogs and twitter that suggenst that at any given time 20% of the characters are in low/null and that we know that people have these htings called "alts"...like my high sec alts.
There is no way to tell where the "players" are. At this moment I have 2 charcters each logged into nullsec AND high. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12358
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:24:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:What could be wrong? Well, for one, it would be rather dangerous to base any kind of change on the uncertain assumption that most players dwell in highsecGǪ I have a button that highlights where all the ships in EVE exist (updated every 30 mins), when I turn it on I'm blinded by highsec, whereas low, null and true are almost entirely black. Do you not have this button in the version of EVE you play or is your game play restricted to forum trolling? Ah, another brilliant poster who struggles with the distinction between "players" and "characters". Another player that struggles with the relationship between a ship being piloted and a player piloting such ship? Honestly, you are saying that despite low, null and true having virtually no ships in them that the mass of the players of EVE are out there? Id laugh but this conclusion is just sad.
So you tell us: how many of the characters piloted in hi-sec do YOU think are actually being piloted by players who think of themselves as "0.0"?
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Shadow Love
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:36:00 -
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Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. A few were low sec inclined players who also chilled in high but the staggering majority were highsec players. I guess your mileage may vary but you may need to look outside your group of peers when determining "who" highsec players are.
Edited: original post made on my phone, fixed a couple spelling/missing word things. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
96
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:37:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Way to be wrong in so many ways. I left WOW not because they made it more accessible to the casual player but because they added unnecessary new fight mechanics that added nothing to the game but more rabid button pushing in a game that already pretty much required you play with your shoes off so you could properly run all the hotkeys necessary to be successful. If you think that game is hard, then I'm pretty sure you never learned to keybind. The rest of your post can be summed up thusly. My evidence is anecdotal. Which it is. And while I may not be able to speak for the 2.5 million in the last 9 months that dropped that atrocious game, or for you, I can speak for my 53 member guild who all quit simultaneously. We quit because they made it too easy for little Timmy. To be more specific, when we made server first for a 25 man raid achievement, then they nerfed that content the next week. Petty? Perhaps, but that was the straw on the camel's back. Anyone else I know irl gives me much the same reason for their quitting, they got tired of Blizzard's crap.
Again, you present anecdotal evidence from a fraction of the WOW player base that is so small as to be statistically insignificant.
This 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than your opinion which by the way is dead wrong. It makes no sense that millions would all stop playing a game for the limited number of reasons you outlined, as i said before nobody knows why they chose to leave, especially not you (excepting for you and apparently your guildmates, which as i mentioned are insignificant and i mean that in so many ways)
P.S. Thanks CCP for doing one thing correct and getting my sig back because it certainly applies to this discussion in which i currently find myself involved. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9423
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:14:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. A few were low sec inclined players who also chilled in high but the staggering majority were highsec players. I guess your mileage may vary but you may need to look outside your group of peers when determining "who" highsec players are.
Edited: original post made on my phone, fixed a couple spelling/missing word things.
Are 0.0 players supposed to wear some kind of "0.0 alt" badge in hisec? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Shadow Love
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:31:00 -
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Andski wrote: Are 0.0 players supposed to wear some kind of "0.0 alt" badge in hisec?
No, I'd imagine not, just relating my experience. I would surmise that most likely 0.0 highsec alts primarily sit in NPC corps or 1 man tax evasion corps, which if true is kind of odd considering most 0.0 players views on such things on the forums. If that isn't the case, then there is apparently a very solid trend for 0.0 highsec alts never revealing that they have another character in nullsec. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:34:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:Andski wrote: Are 0.0 players supposed to wear some kind of "0.0 alt" badge in hisec? No, I'd imagine not, just relating my experience. I would surmise that most likely 0.0 highsec alts primarily sit in NPC corps or 1 man tax evasion corps, which if true is kind of odd considering most 0.0 players views on such things on the forums. If that isn't the case, then there is apparently a very solid trend for 0.0 highsec alts never revealing that they have another character in nullsec.
why would they reveal it ? it's like a mark of shame |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1490
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:40:00 -
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Quote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char.
Couple things here. If you were randomly hanging around highsec, would you admit to being a Goon alt?
For that matter, would you even talk at all?
If I were just an isk making, or trading, or whatever alt and my main resides in and plays in null, I wouldn't really socialize with everyone I met. I'd get my business done, and log off.
Think about that. Think about all the people you didn't talk to. If even 1/5 of them were Goons... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Shadow Love
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:47:00 -
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I do think about that a lot, I just had no real basis to say everyone that I haven't talked to is a nullsec alt. What I do have a basis to say is that the vast majority of people I've spoken to and interacted with in the game are, from what I could see, highsec players. That's the only real info I have from my limited perspective in the game.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3311
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:53:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:
Edit: I'm not really fighting or contending anything here. If you want my honest opinion of highsec, it's that I hate how fragmented and broken up it's population is despite being so massive. I hate how there seem to be hundreds, or thousands of 5-10 man corps piddling around while nullsec blocks number in the thousands of characters and actually achieve something.
It's not our fault that the kinds of people who would call high sec home are the same kinds of people who can't organize themselves or cooperate with each other enough to do anything (like click a couple buttons and elect a person to the CSM for example)
Quote: It bothers me how some who likely do have highsec alts call for nerfs, and if these nerfs came they would simply (I think) abandon their highec alts after reaping the benefits of it for so many years to go back to null. Where does that leave actual highsec players? Just kind of screwed.
And how about the null sec people who are virtually forced by circumstance to maintain high sec alts in the 1st place? You think null sec players WANT to be chained to the Kindergarten of Space (High Sec). But the reality is, High Sec is so good, only a fool would use anything else, becuase sure, null industrialists (for example) could maybe make some things in null, but that would take more time, more effort and more money, no need for that when Jita is available.
Quote: I'm not a fan of the proliferation of alts in EVE, I feel like the game would benefit tremendously from more interaction. I laugh everytime someone bashes an alt mining fleet stating they need to interact with others in the sandbox, and then one thread over talk about their cyno alt being manditory as if, deep down, it's truly any different. You want things to be easier for you, so you rely on yourself instead of others. I think that's the main problem with EVE and its greatest flaw.
My vision of highsec, the way I would like it, would be actual large corps that matter. Corps that would bother with a war, that were large enough to field a defense, and have something worth defending. Corps large enough that, if they suddenly realized they could, could make a legitimate push into null without just having to rent, or whatever most do (I'm ignorant of this process and fully admit it).
That's it, in a nutshell. I wish corporations in highsec mattered. Right now, they really don't.
Now ask yourself why this doesn't happen.
Null (and low and wormhole) organizations exist because they have to. Because the next guys over might have enough power to push you aside, ruining everything you've worked to build. The evolution of non-high sec organizations is and was tottally natural, the same way mankind went from families to tribes to clans to eventually nations.
There is no such compelling factor in high sec. High Sec pilots ability to dock somewhere isn't a matter of standings, diplomacy, strength of arms, joining the right corp or anything else. It's a matter or clicking the station and clicking dock for you. There is little cooperations because there is no need for it.
Want high sec to be more vibrant in the way you suggest? Then CCP would have to change high sec to foster competiton through scarcity in some way. This has been done already in one way, it's called incursions (boy do those guys like to contest each other , even popping the MOMs to prevent others from running incursions, THAT is competation driving conflict). |
Maadai Ansa
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:08:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:The future vision of highsec? A sea of autopiloting and pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium on an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of encouraging players to 'interact with others' or 'adapt to changes', or 'think for yourself' be either introduced or even suggested.
As opposed to nullsec - a sea of pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium red cross shooting in an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of player not marked blue enter the system?
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
596
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:02:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. A few were low sec inclined players who also chilled in high but the staggering majority were highsec players. I guess your mileage may vary but you may need to look outside your group of peers when determining "who" highsec players are.
Edited: original post made on my phone, fixed a couple spelling/missing word things.
Half of my four active accounts are in empire, and most people I know have an Indy or market toon, 2-3 cynonots and whatnot. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9427
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:08:00 -
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Maadai Ansa wrote:As opposed to nullsec - a sea of pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium red cross shooting in an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of player not marked blue enter the system?
as an npc alt who has never set foot outside of hisec, let me tell you what nullseccers do Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Maadai Ansa
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maadai Ansa wrote:As opposed to nullsec - a sea of pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium red cross shooting in an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of player not marked blue enter the system?
as an npc alt who has never set foot outside of hisec, let me tell you what nullseccers do
The thought of having multiple accounts is outside of your intellectual power I presume. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2503
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:32:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Shadow Love wrote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. A few were low sec inclined players who also chilled in high but the staggering majority were highsec players. I guess your mileage may vary but you may need to look outside your group of peers when determining "who" highsec players are.
Edited: original post made on my phone, fixed a couple spelling/missing word things. Half of my four active accounts are in empire, and most people I know have an Indy or market toon, 2-3 cynonots and whatnot.
And you would totally love that they lost their usefulness and you had to substitute their function with your nullsec main... right?
Also, maybe you always log in every character you have?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1549
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Shadow Love wrote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. A few were low sec inclined players who also chilled in high but the staggering majority were highsec players. I guess your mileage may vary but you may need to look outside your group of peers when determining "who" highsec players are.
Edited: original post made on my phone, fixed a couple spelling/missing word things. Are 0.0 players supposed to wear some kind of "0.0 alt" badge in hisec?
Yes.
So that we can say, grrr goons in local. This is not a signature. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9428
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:57:00 -
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Maadai Ansa wrote:Andski wrote:Maadai Ansa wrote:As opposed to nullsec - a sea of pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium red cross shooting in an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of player not marked blue enter the system?
as an npc alt who has never set foot outside of hisec, let me tell you what nullseccers do The thought of having multiple accounts is outside of your intellectual power I presume.
notice how i said "alt"
don't you feel silly now Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Maadai Ansa
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maadai Ansa wrote:Andski wrote:Maadai Ansa wrote:As opposed to nullsec - a sea of pseudobotting characters performing acts of tedium red cross shooting in an infinite loop, interrupted only by indignant shrieking should the terrifying bogeymen of player not marked blue enter the system?
as an npc alt who has never set foot outside of hisec, let me tell you what nullseccers do The thought of having multiple accounts is outside of your intellectual power I presume. notice how i said "alt" don't you feel silly now
Your argument was that posting on a high sec alt implies lack of knowledge or experience in nullsec. Not sure if dim or simply running out of arguments. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17373
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:22:00 -
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Maadai Ansa wrote:Your argument was that posting on a high sec alt implies lack of knowledge or experience in nullsec. Not sure if dim or simply running out of arguments. His argument was that posting blatantly ignorant fables that can only have been created by those who have no experience of the matter from a character that obviously has no experience on the matter doesn't bode well for the overall trustworthiness of your statements.
If you want to make claims that go counter to the known reality of the situation, it helps if you at least provide some reason not to dismiss it as complete nonsense out of hand. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
March rabbit
True Horde
878
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Ill go on record here and say that after 4 years in highsec and the hundreds, probably thousands of people I have interacted with, I don't recall a single one saying they are a highsec alt of a 0.0 char. Couple things here. If you were randomly hanging around highsec, would you admit to being a Goon alt? For that matter, would you even talk at all? i've seen it several times when person just says in local "Lol, high-sec-pvp. I'm back to 0.0" Null people are like a kid who broke his own toy and is jealous about another kid that still has a new, shiny toy. In the kid's mind, the only way to happiness is to grab that shiny toy and break it so both kids are in equal misery.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
106
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:32:00 -
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Everyone's a high sec player. Just some people have null sec alts. Isn't that what you're actually saying?
So since 99% of players are high-sec players, do we really want to mess around with it? I can imagine a world where null-sec is the place to be, but it really isn't for the casual player or the new player who can't really survive the rats yet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17376
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:40:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:So since 99% of players are high-sec players, do we really want to mess around with it? All the more reason to do so. And no, 99% of players are not highsec players in the sense that the GÇ£highsec is a majorityGÇ¥-whingers perceive the term.
Quote:I can imagine a world where null-sec is the place to be, but it really isn't for the casual player or the new player who can't really survive the rats yet. Sure it is. The myth that you can't be a newbie or a casual player in null has been and continues to be disproved every day ever since the game went live.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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