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bringrainfire
NSi Corporation Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:31:00 -
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If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's. |
Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
35
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:32:00 -
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It is like you some how kind of understand how eve works, then you still log out in highsec. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:33:00 -
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in before " moved to features and idea's" and yea, sounds legit. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:39:00 -
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bringrainfire wrote:would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita This is exactly why you can't have nice things covops cynos in hisec. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
903
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:51:00 -
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bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's.
I would totally support that lol
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9991
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:02:00 -
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Bribe CONCORD.
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
25
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:03:00 -
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bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's.
A reason why not, in one word, balance.
If CCP were to do this they would have to give the target some sort of way of a) avoiding or b) fighting back.
No, you are just asking for special rights to play EVE as you want to and seem to forget that not everyone is paying their subscription just to be a target for you to shoot at.
If you really want to shoot at things that can't fight back, may I suggest that you try ratting in a 0.8 hisec system or higher. |
bringrainfire
NSi Corporation Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:04:00 -
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and on the topic of blopsin stuff, they need to buff the widow. and make it do something more usful besides an exspensive blackbird |
Marexlovox
BLOMI BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:05:00 -
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I would agree with this if it were 0.7 and below. That way it doesn't interfere with new players. |
bringrainfire
NSi Corporation Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:06:00 -
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Marexlovox wrote:I would agree with this if it were 0.7 and below. That way it doesn't interfere with new players.
yep |
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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:17:00 -
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bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's.
You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships.. We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
301
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:18:00 -
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bringrainfire wrote:Marexlovox wrote:I would agree with this if it were 0.7 and below. That way it doesn't interfere with new players. yep
Nah, I think it should be .4 and below.
oh wait. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Volition.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:20:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
383
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:21:00 -
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Dasola wrote:bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's. You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships..
You do realise that you not only jump a blob of torpedo bombers but also support ships like Rapiers? Then torpedos do a lot damage. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:23:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:bringrainfire wrote:Marexlovox wrote:I would agree with this if it were 0.7 and below. That way it doesn't interfere with new players. yep Nah, I think it should be .4 and below. oh wait.
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Jassmin Joy
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
214
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:25:00 -
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Dasola wrote:bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's. You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships..
You do realise Blackops Battleships can jum to a covert cyno too right? |
bringrainfire
NSi Corporation Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:39:00 -
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first, duh. Blops can in fact jump to covert cynos. and 2 , most efective "bombing" runs work better with sensor damps and torps. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
591
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:48:00 -
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Dasola wrote:bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's. You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships..
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:48:00 -
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Plus 1 if....
....only possible with a new cyno structure that is deployable in 2 minutes and 300m^3 in size must also have similar reinforcement mechanic as depot.
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
56
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:04:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Bribe CONCORD.
Only if they accept contracts to kill Veldnaughts |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
328
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:22:00 -
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This would be OP as hell in wardecs. Currently, while at war, you can continue your normally scheduled hisec activities by not being AFK and by watching local and by generally being vigilant and careful. This is how it should be. With covert cynos in hisec, any neutral alt can sneak up and drop a ganksquad on you. Allow me to explain why this is stupid.
If you get wardecced, your targets should be able to harass you, shut you down, and chase you where you go, and if they do none of those things, and you're not terrible, you can operate under a wardec normally. This is good, because it means that the attacker has to actually attack to prove themselves a sufficient threat. However, if you introduce covert cynos, all you have to do is throwout a wardec, and suddenly no amount of vigilance or preparation will allow you to defend against a cyno from a neutral.
Back before the retribution wardec changes, I was involved in some hisec wars for a few months. After losing a lot of wardec isk to decshields and the like, we learned how to get a kill on pretty much anyone, no matter if they were watching local like a hawk. We had a neutral alt join corp while in-space and next to the target, the neutral would just instantly tackle the target, and we'd warp in from a system or two away to do a cleanup. It was pretty OP, and CCP rightfully removed that tactic when they revisited wardecs. Fighting is Magic |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:24:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Back before the retribution wardec changes, I was involved in some hisec wars for a few months. After losing a lot of wardec isk to decshields and the like, we learned how to get a kill on pretty much anyone, no matter if they were watching local like a hawk. We had a neutral alt join corp while in-space and next to the target, the neutral would just instantly tackle the target, and we'd warp in from a system or two away to do a cleanup. It was pretty OP, and CCP rightfully removed that tactic when they revisited wardecs. Unrelated to the thread, but you can still do this by sacrificing a neutral tackle to CONCORD (or even just bumping the target out of alignment if they're in a slow ship) while the main fleet warps in. With the increased warp speeds in Rubicon this will be even easier. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:25:00 -
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You do realize black ops BS have a limited jump/bridge range? |
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:47:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:You do realize black ops BS have a limited jump/bridge range?
You do realize that is makes no difference what so ever in this matter? Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
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LtauSTinpoWErs
Mafia Redux Phobia.
12
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:52:00 -
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I too would like to see covert cynos used in high sec but understand balancing them could become difficult. Cliffs at bottom.
It has already been argued that cynoing covert ops haulers into a trade hub would be a bit OP. The closest low secs that I could find to Jita, Amarr, Rens, and Dodixe are 4 jumps (Pakkonen), 3 jumps (Ami), 3 jumps (Uplingur), and 4 jumps (Seyllin) respectively. I noticed that Ignoitton is only 3 jumps from Jita so maybe there is another one or two closer but the point is that low sec is already pretty close to trade hubs. Perhaps a cyno jam for covert cynos needs to be implemented for all major trade hubs and bordering systems. Effectively only giving covert haulers a 1 jump advantage over current low sec entry points close to the trade hubs.
Another concern is covert cynoing onto a neutral alt when at war. I don't see an issue with this. If you are worried about having a neutral alt drop a gank squad on you, then you have already failed if your corporation doesn't already have neutral eyes on them. This mechanic would work both ways. This would further promote the intended purpose of War Decing. Now I haven't been in a highsec war dec is quite some time, but when I was, it never felt like I was actually at war. There was no concern really, just that I now had opportunities to shoot things that were flashy. When you are at war, there should be a feeling of around the clock alertness. You shouldn't be allowed to freely visit security agents or trade hubs. YOU ARE AT WAR! and there should be consequences. Since this would deter people from pveing, people might actually fight back. This would also encourage corporations to hire mercenary assistance.
Lastly, if people really are that concerned about this being too op in logistics or war deccing, then when a covert cyno is used in high sec, that person should receive a suspect tag but for a shorter duration than current. Maybe 5 or 7.5 minutes.
Cliffs: Covert Cyno Jam all major trade hubs and bordering (connecting directly to trade hub) systems. Keep covert cyno mechanic the same. (you can jump to an alt/neut covert cyno) Make covert cyno pilot suspect for a shorter duration than current suspect timer. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:38:00 -
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Inb4 people create a chain of blops links around highsec to quickly travel around highsec in t3s bombers and cloaky indies.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Forsak3n.
380
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:07:00 -
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Interesting suggestion.
First, a blops BS has the same range as a titan. This is measured in light-years, and has nothing to do with jumps. Here is a list of systems reachable from Jita with Jump Drive Calibration 4. 5 is preferable. You could be a couple regions away and your prey would never know it unless they have your blops toons on contact list.
The easiest way to do this is to, as it was said above, have an out of corp alt sneak up on your target. You don't need tackle to light the cyno. But from decloak to secondary tackle established takes a relatively long time. Only the slowest ships or mission bots (death to all missioning bots) would be caught. So you will need to land primary tackle with the cyno ship. Since this is a suicide gank, your cyno toon will lose sec status. Before long he won't be able to do his mission any more. Time to grind sec status or pay for it using tags.
Another thing to consider is the delay before CONCORD arrives on grid. You basically have to run things like a suicide gank. In higher level security systems, CONCORD could arrive quickly enough to kill the cyno and prevent the blops attempt from succeeding. In .5 systems, you will likely all arrive on grid.
In this way, the sec status system is not only preserved, but strengthened. Higher risk = higher reward. Higher level agents are generally found in lower security space. If you screw up, you won't get a second chance. Getting a covert frigate or bomber into someone's mission space, especially through an acceleration gate, is not the easiest task.
What about blockade runners? Not really an issue. They can only fit for about 12km3 of cargo at the most. Jump Freighters and titans cannot jump or bridge to covert cynos. The blops limited fuel bay would make moving large volumes problematic and impractical. So while that would not benefit players with large volumes of of stuff, it would benefit those with small volumes.
Pure pve characters won't like this change. But it seems pretty balanced to me.
Another way to do this would be to engage on grid, decloak falcon, light cyno, and jump in long range blops BS for fire support. Anyone with a month of training can do this. Again, seems balanced. Its a hi-sec version of hotdropping.
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Tony5tark
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:39:00 -
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+1 |
bringrainfire
NSi Corporation Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.14 07:02:00 -
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yep.
lighting a covert cyno for corporations at war should incur a short timer much in the same way that using a nuetral repper would.
and the fact that jump frieghters and titans cant use covert cynos, we arnt going to be seeing a huge increase in products moving around. When I thought of this idea, I already took into consideration that this is a viable feature that all ccp has to do is flip the switch on with not much coding to do.
this will also make wardecs much more proactive and not just a matter of people camping/avoiding trade routes/stations. The aggressing attackers will actually start having to look for their targets instead of simply waiting for one to fly through between jita/amarr-dodixie-rens-hek, as we all know all roads lead through caldari space, lol. |
Loki Feiht
Feiht Family Clan
149
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:10:00 -
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Right so let me understand this, lighting covert cyno's in highsec would be overpowered, but its fine everywhere else? riiight...
I'm pretty sure he knows blops battleships can jump to a covert cyno, seeing as its the only ship that can jump to a covert cyno....
+1 from me, although i would also say to 0.5's only (maybe 0.6 or 0.7 but meh), Eves areas need to be broken up a bit imo, it could also be made so that they can only jump and not bridge (some of you folks think WAY to linear).
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