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El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:13:00 -
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+1
Not all of highsec though, there should be a cut off for jumping in. By the way, you guys are aware theres a lowsec system 3 jumps from Jita right? I've personally used my carrier more than a few times in highsec wars, to move a bunch of ships to different operating systems within a short amount of time. path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
108
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:48:00 -
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You can't light cynos in complexes. I assume this works the same for missions with gates so blops dropping a mission runner is gonna be out of the question. Best you can do is blops to offgrid and warp down. Doubt any tackle is gonna be able to hold target long enough for ships to warp down and take the gate to get secondary before concord shows up. Blue-Fire Best Fire |
bringrainfire
NSi Corporation
11
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:00:00 -
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and you know what, the main reason why highsec is so terrible right now and I like low sec and even null sec so much better is the fact that you spend way to much time in transit to your fun spot. another idea would be to allow jump bridges to high sec pos's that require charters along with the LO. either way, blopsing around is still fun. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
706
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:13:00 -
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+1 for covert cynos in high sec. It makes total sense and it does not imbalance the game. G££ <= Me |
Rammix
TheMurk
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:13:00 -
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Wow, didn't see this topic (maybe it wasn't in "features & ideas"?, at least it's not mentioned in common ideas topic) and created my own. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
145
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:20:00 -
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-1
The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Rammix
TheMurk
142
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:51:00 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:-1
The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well. This argument was countered in the second topic.
ISDs, if there's a way to merge 2 topics please do it. Both have valuable thoughts in them. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
145
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:36:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:-1
The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well. This argument was countered in the second topic. ISDs, if there's a way to merge 2 topics please do it. Both have valuable thoughts in them.
No it wasn't considering that the people being dropped are going to be vastly outgunned. The neutral alt will not be in any real danger because of the fact that the covert cynos will be active for 12 seconds. At which point he will have an entire fleet to back him up, and if the suspect is not pointed (Which probably won't matter since it will be done in a falcon). The falcon can simply warp off grid and cloak up. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Rammix
TheMurk
142
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:15:00 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Rammix wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:-1
The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well. This argument was countered in the second topic. ISDs, if there's a way to merge 2 topics please do it. Both have valuable thoughts in them. No it wasn't considering that the people being dropped are going to be vastly outgunned. The neutral alt will not be in any real danger because of the fact that the covert cynos will be active for 12 seconds. At which point he will have an entire fleet to back him up, and if the suspect is not pointed (Which probably won't matter since it will be done in a falcon). The falcon can simply warp off grid and cloak up. You know nothing. Covert cynos keep active for 1 minute. Falcon can be killed no problem, if you don't know how then it's just your problem. Someone have already suggested in the second topic to allow people who are in war to jump to corp/alliance covcynos only.
And last but not least - local as a source of intel (that's what you currently use to see enemies in the system) is highly overpowered. I repeat, LEARN to use d-scan and you will see someone combat probing you, and don't matter what's in local because sooner or later its use for intel will be nerfed.
I repeat here too, I haven't yet seen any problems about covcynos in highsec which cannot be solved easily. All I see is few carebears afraid of doing anything and too damn lazy to use anything except local.
p.s. Cynos can't be lit inside an anomaly with gates. Stop ignoring this. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
280
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:16:00 -
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Cov cynos is high sec would be lovely. |
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Violet Winters
Angelic Eclipse.
114
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:34:00 -
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Dasola wrote:bringrainfire wrote:If you ask me - it needs to be done.
as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's. You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships..
Implying all of Highsec is "Small Ships". CEO - Anglic Eclipse.
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Asa Shahni
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:47:00 -
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-32 !
High sec wars dont need this .
I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".
If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)
Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O |
Zircon Dasher
300
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:58:00 -
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Add 15min suspect timer and a 5min dock/jump timer for anyone who lights or jumps to a covert cyno.
Allow "neutrals" to both facilitate and provide consequences for actions!
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Asa Shahni
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:11:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Add 15min suspect timer and a 5min dock/jump timer for anyone who lights or jumps to a covert cyno.
Allow "neutrals" to both facilitate and provide consequences for actions!
they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway |
Zircon Dasher
300
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:32:00 -
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Asa Shahni wrote: they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway
Of course they have the ability to bug out if the situation is too sketchy. Nothing wrong with that. The suspect timer would just let traps be set for the overeager.
If you want to avoid being an open target for any tom,richard, and harry then you need to wait out the timer.
The dock/jump timer just adds a few min for when you want to jump into the adjacent system and to add a layer of time to the cyno-->blap-->ohshit tackled+blob-->dock procedure.
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Asa Shahni
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:42:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Asa Shahni wrote: they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway Of course they have the ability to bug out if the situation is too sketchy. Nothing wrong with that. The suspect timer would just let traps be set for the overeager. If you want to avoid being an open target for any tom,richard, and harry then you need to wait out the timer. The dock/jump timer just adds a few min for when you want to jump into the adjacent system and to add a layer of time to the cyno-->blap-->ohshit tackled+blob-->dock procedure. I still dont see how this could "balance" such a thing.
Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat
Its overpower for high sec wars not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec |
Rammix
TheMurk
142
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:14:00 -
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Asa Shahni wrote:-32 !
High sec wars dont need this .
I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".
If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)
Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O +2560!
They need it.
What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero.
BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post.
I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates.
Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan. If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops.
Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec.
Asa Shahni wrote:Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat It's not a problem at all. Read above. And someone has already suggested to allow people in war to jump - in highsec - to corp/alliance covcynos Only.
Asa Shahni wrote: not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec
Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert. I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:39:00 -
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I would rather kill the intel power of local and disallow all cynos in all secs of space. |
Rammix
TheMurk
144
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:21:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:I would rather kill the intel power of local and disallow all cynos in all secs of space. I'd rather nerf local (put delays) and disallow all cynos except covert ones. The first part is serious. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
298
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:57:00 -
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As hilarious as it would be, blops logistics would become completely risk-free. So no. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
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Asa Shahni
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:17:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Asa Shahni wrote:-32 !
High sec wars dont need this .
I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".
If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)
Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O +2560! They need it. What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero. BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post. I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates. Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan. If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops. Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec. Asa Shahni wrote:Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat It's not a problem at all. Read above. And someone has already suggested to allow people in war to jump - in highsec - to corp/alliance covcynos Only. Asa Shahni wrote: not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec
Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert. I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%.
your right its not just killing carebears , theres also carebears killing other carebears for indus slot and asteroid belts seriously i dont think high sec need the capability of bridging t3 or blops BS fleets and ccp should not implement something like that so you guys can use that shiny stuff without (real) risk like in low/null
being part of an alliance with CYN0 as ticker i must be very scared of being hot dropped before you say things like that you should inform yourself on the person ...that was just a lazy assumption on your part |
Rammix
TheMurk
148
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Posted - 2013.11.19 19:15:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:As hilarious as it would be, blops logistics would become completely risk-free. So no. I don't know how you read posts.. Blops logistics are already risk-free when done in a sane way. Jump to a safespot in a lowsec with highsec connection and it's done.
Asa Shahni wrote:Rammix wrote:+2560! They need it. What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero. BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post. I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates. Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan. If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops. Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec. Asa Shahni wrote: not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec
Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert. I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%. your right its not just killing carebears , theres also carebears killing other carebears for indus slot and asteroid belts seriously i dont think high sec need the capability of bridging t3 or blops BS fleets and ccp should not implement something like that so you guys can use that shiny stuff without (real) risk like in low/null being part of an alliance with CYN0 as ticker i must be very scared of being hot dropped before you say things like that you should inform yourself on the person ...that was just a lazy assumption on your part About risk in low/null read above.
About ticker etc. If you now how safe can be a travel on covert ships from any null to highsec then I don't understand your sarcasm ('"safe" travel' in you post). With "(real) risk" you mean counter-hotdrops with normal cynos? Don't you think that there should be places where covcynos can be lit for small-scale pvp but capitals can't interfere? OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
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