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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:44:00 -
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i realy hope it wont be a ship like the moa.
6/4/4 to few med slots to fit shield and ew in PVP enough low slots to armour tank -turrets over missiles.
where caldari, most of us have more skilz in missiles then gunnery and low skilz on armour and alot in shield.
plz dont make it a railgun boat with a tight shield tank.
i wouls suggest a ship bonus to its defence on all races, and give caldari alot of meds and few low like caldari are suposed to and give it like 6 launcher 6 turret or 5 launcher 6 turret or 5 turret 6 launcher?
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:48:00 -
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they're making a railboat cuz another missile boat would make the raven obscolete
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: The Wizz117 on 15/02/2006 15:50:40
Originally by: Asurix they're making a railboat cuz another missile boat would make the raven obscolete
im not asking for a railgun boat, im asking for the option to use both on high and make it more like a shield-tank boat
and btw we olrady have BS railgun boats! (see gallante)
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:50:00 -
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how about 7 turrets 1 launcher?
needs a min of 7 turret slots tbh, and because its gona get a turret bonous why would people use it with missiles in which case the raven would do a lot more damage.
could make it 7 turret, 5 launcher. but it is a rail platform so 7turret and 1 launcher even makes sense.
as for caldari not having gunnry skills, well each race is ment to have 2 weapon groups they train for.
galante. blasters + drones amar. lasers + drones mini. proj + missiles caldari. missiles + rails
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:51:00 -
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I have all my gunnery skills trained up.
I despise missles and ECM.
Therefore, I dont use caldari.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
Originally by: Asurix they're making a railboat cuz another missile boat would make the raven obscolete
im not asking for a railgun boat, im asking for the option to use both on high and make it more like a shield-tank boat
it will most probably be a shield tank boat. with many mid sltos and few low slots. infact the palceholder in the item database shows 7 mids and 4 lows iirc
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DarK
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:53:00 -
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It will be a Railboat because that is the next logical step for Caldari.
Beter train dem skilz plz kayz
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.02.15 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: DarK It will be a Railboat because that is the next logical step for Caldari.
Beter train dem skilz plz kayz
caldari have dis-advantage in skilz. if u trian for gunnery its very very easy to train up for laser/tacoyons/raigluns fast. missiles would have to train up all those skilz like sharpshooting and stuf to, having them to start all @ 0 ( like me) also u dont have to train up for takning becouse all 3 races can armour tank *with exeption on some minmatar ships*
and caldari is more like ECM +missiles
and u can say like but we got ecm skilz to! but probitly not as much as caldari specialized people (scoprion,blackrid) afterall i got some drone skilz to!
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:07:00 -
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My, what a selfish little individual you are. What about Caldari who, through their skill training, chose ships like the Merlin and Moa, but when they reached BS were left with nothing?
The Scorp has excellent shield tankage with decent missile DPS.
The Raven has excellent missile DPS with a decent shield tank.
And now you want a ship that has both excellent missile DPS and shield tank? No. It's going to be a rail ship. Live with it. ___
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zoturi
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:09:00 -
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heh, you are whining again
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:09:00 -
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Nowadays a lot of PvP is long range sniping, and the raven just isn't cutting it. As has been pointed out, the logical step is to introduce a turret (rail) based BS for Caldari.
Better train those rail-skills
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:09:00 -
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general caveat:
if you havent trained up to use:
Harpy, Moa, Ferox, Eagle (there are others but especially these) according to their bonuses do not post on this forums as "Caldari" because you just make yourselfs look stupid. Same to those posting that "Gallente are hubrids and Caldari are missles" Ignorance is fine but keep it for your own private world
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DarK
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
caldari have dis-advantage in skilz. if u trian for gunnery its very very easy to train up for laser/tacoyons/raigluns fast. missiles would have to train up all those skilz like sharpshooting and stuf to, having them to start all @ 0 ( like me) also u dont have to train up for takning becouse all 3 races can armour tank *with exeption on some minmatar ships*
and caldari is more like ECM +missiles
and u can say like but we got ecm skilz to! but probitly not as much as caldari specialized people (scoprion,blackrid) afterall i got some drone skilz to!
Yeah a real big dissadvantage, minmatar don't have much to train at all. Why should you easily be allowed to fly everything ? why ?
It has been shown over and over again that Caldari use railguns as much as they use missiles. Caldari = Railguns, Missiles, ECM and Shields.
Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion Kestrel -> Caracal -> Raven Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox -> Tier 3 Caldari BS
I want a bloody railboat and a railboat I shall have. Why on earth do we need another missileboat? what purpose, other than making the Raven obsolete, would it serve? A more uber ship for nubs to level 4 mishun in? Hurray.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:12:00 -
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Current stats for the 'draft' of tier.3 Caldari battleship are:
8 high, 7 mid, 5 low 7 turrets, 4 launchers
... and personally, can't wait to get my hands on it. I want it to be the railboat first and foremost, if i needed missile ship there's Raven already and she rocks as it is.
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Kaeljen Dae
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:16:00 -
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Quote: most of us have more skilz in missiles then gunnery and low skilz on armour and alot in shield
Why is that a disadvantage? It just opens a different path. You don't HAVE to take it, the very same way you don't HAVE to train for titan the moment it's out. I don't like to use missiles and you'll seldomly see me using cruise/siege missile launcher ony my Tempest (although the Tempest is perfectly able to fit a "massive damage" setup). I just don't like it, I don't have the skills (for now) and I don't use it - the same way I wouldn't use a breacher if I were to fly frigates but rather the Rifter.
The next step in caldari BS-sized missile technique will be the "Tech 2 raven", not the tier 3 BS :)
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:16:00 -
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I've never seen wizz post anything but a whine thread.
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DarK
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:18:00 -
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Want the next step up missile boat? Train for a phoenix, but make sure you build it in Jita or somewhere with no nearby 0.4 k?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117 i realy hope it wont be a ship like the moa.
6/4/4 to few med slots to fit shield and ew in PVP enough low slots to armour tank -turrets over missiles.
where caldari, most of us have more skilz in missiles then gunnery and low skilz on armour and alot in shield.
plz dont make it a railgun boat with a tight shield tank.
i wouls suggest a ship bonus to its defence on all races, and give caldari alot of meds and few low like caldari are suposed to and give it like 6 launcher 6 turret or 5 launcher 6 turret or 5 turret 6 launcher?
so you mean "HAY LOOK I WANT A EVEN BETTER RAVEN BECAUSE I WANT IT"?
like yeah and I want a better megathron with 8 turret points and a dominix-sized drone bay. plz ccp make it so kthx. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:23:00 -
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"like yeah and I want a better megathron with 8 turret points and a dominix-sized drone bay. plz ccp make it so kthx."
Well, tier.3 Gallente battleship does have 8 turrets and 200 m3 drone bay. Not as large as Dominix, but still large -.^
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "like yeah and I want a better megathron with 8 turret points and a dominix-sized drone bay. plz ccp make it so kthx."
Well, tier.3 Gallente battleship does have 8 turrets and 200 m3 drone bay. Not as large as Dominix, but still large -.^
...realy hope that's just a placeholder tho, cuz I can see how overpowered that will become. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: j0sephine "like yeah and I want a better megathron with 8 turret points and a dominix-sized drone bay. plz ccp make it so kthx."
Well, tier.3 Gallente battleship does have 8 turrets and 200 m3 drone bay. Not as large as Dominix, but still large -.^
...realy hope that's just a placeholder tho, cuz I can see how overpowered that will become.
It will depend a lot of the bonuses it gets. If there's no damage or rof bonus, even with their heavy drones an Apoc with med drones will dish out more damage. If there's one bonus, the gallente tier 3 will have the edge, but not by a lot.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.15 16:54:00 -
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caldari need a railboat, but a 3rd tier (best) BS being rails would royally screw caldari.
imagine if amarr got told they had an arbitrator analogue, or minmatar with a bellicose analogue as their best BS - it would **** them the hell off, because it is not what they have trained for.
IMO they should not be 3rd tier BSs, but another tier 1 BS, using the ideas from the last tier 2/3 cruiser for each race (the one that doesn't have a BS analogue)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:01:00 -
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"caldari need a railboat, but a 3rd tier (best) BS being rails would royally screw caldari."
Uhmm, no..? That's like saying Merlin / Moa / Eagle screws the Kestrel / Caracal / Cerberus pilots...
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Blighter
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:05:00 -
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nah, should be a 3rd tier, not necassarily better then 2nd tier, just different.
Should be mor ships available the higher you go in a class. I'm kinda surprised there are not tier 4 and 5 ships, to give players something to train ships for.
Like Assult Frigs. you need frig 5, but stop getting new ships at 3. would be nice to get a new one at 4. And definatly one at 5, the pinnacle of Frig development
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Taka
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:07:00 -
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Ha i hope its a railboat too...then u caldari people know wot it will feel like to have to train up another weapon type like us ammar pilots who have to put up with the khanid peice of crap --------------------
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Taka Ha i hope its a railboat too...then u caldari people know wot it will feel like to have to train up another weapon type like us ammar pilots who have to put up with the khanid peice of crap
caldari are most dis advantage in skilling our 2e weapon is ECM we need ECM on scorp+ theyr skilz
and we need to train up for shield wich makes it harder to swithc to other race ships becouse of they all armour tank * exept some few minmatar ships*
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
Originally by: Taka Ha i hope its a railboat too...then u caldari people know wot it will feel like to have to train up another weapon type like us ammar pilots who have to put up with the khanid peice of crap
caldari are most dis advantage in skilling our 2e weapon is ECM we need ECM on scorp+ theyr skilz
and we need to train up for shield wich makes it harder to swithc to other race ships becouse of they all armour tank * exept some few minmatar ships*
people have told u many many times that it is very likely it will have a lot of mid shots AKA shield tank so stop whining aobut having to train armor skills.
u had to train ECM skills lol roflmao, which race doesnt have to do that? its like someone complaining they had to train cap skills.
caldari need good gunnry and good missiles. galante need good gunnry and good drones amar need good gunnry and good drones mini need good gunnry and good missiles
where is the problem each race needs to train two sets of skills and gunnry takes 7mils sp to be specilised, missiles the same, and drones take guess what, 7 mils.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Taka Ha i hope its a railboat too...then u caldari people know wot it will feel like to have to train up another weapon type like us ammar pilots who have to put up with the khanid peice of crap
Let's see, I'm Caldari but I've cross-trained in Projectiles and Lasers (T1 atm, I'll try to go to at least Medium T2 when I'm finished with my Industry skills). I have 2M3 in Gunnery, 1M2 in Electronics (EWAR skills at 2~3), my Armor Tanking skills are at 4, but I only have 900K in Missiles.
Not all Caldari pilots are missile-spamming monstrosities with several millions of SPs in Missiles, you know
My point is : generalization is bad.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing caldari need a railboat, but a 3rd tier (best) BS being rails would royally screw caldari.
imagine if amarr got told they had an arbitrator analogue, or minmatar with a bellicose analogue as their best BS - it would **** them the hell off, because it is not what they have trained for.
IMO they should not be 3rd tier BSs, but another tier 1 BS, using the ideas from the last tier 2/3 cruiser for each race (the one that doesn't have a BS analogue)
Last time I checked, Kestrels and Caracals were tier 2 and the Merlin and Moa were tier 3.
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Britannica
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Posted - 2006.02.15 17:40:00 -
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I'd love to see a railgun based BS, I'm starting to switch from missiles to guns and will train for one
I'd like to see the tier 3 with similar shield/armour/structure to the raven, and enough PG to fit 7 425 rails and a semi decent tank when you have good skills
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