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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:07:00 -
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Hey everyone- So I've been really excited for all of the SoE ships we're getting, and even more so for the BS, which is coming out in a point release a little after Rubicon hits.
So I was inspired, and drew up a picture of it- ignore the rambling text if you'd like, but I put a decent amount of work into this.
I actually took some inspiration from Sisi's placeholder model (the star destroyer-esque model) and incorporated it into the picture- I felt like it matched SoE's aesthetic well. Then I molded parts similar to the other SoE ships onto it and mixed it all together.
I also wrote some improvised stats up for it :
Hi- 7 Med- 6 Low- 8
Drone Bay: 475m3 (yes, its main weapon system is drones, and the exploration/long deployment thing yadda yadda) Drone Bandwidth: 125mbit/sec Cargo Hold: 985m3 (again with the long deployment theme)
Can fit covert ops cloak (like the others)
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to armor resistance and armor repair amount per level.
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage, hitpoints, optimal range and tracking speed per level
Yes, I aimed kind of high with some of the stats, but I think those are reasonable, for the most part, for a pirate BS.
Tell me what you think- I'd love for CCP to see this and use my drawing as its design
Thanks for reading. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
908
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:11:00 -
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Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday? |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:12:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday? I said I was aiming high This is a somewhat OP base, stat-wise. I just wanted people to see my drawing "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:14:00 -
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I liked your drawing but I'm not so sure on the rest.. |
NezMonik
Void.Tech Catastrophic Uprising
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:14:00 -
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Fantastic Idea! There is one problem I see; there is no room to add in the necessary Drone Control Units to optimally use the drone bandwidth. Therefor to compensate I would recommend a fitting bonus for the DCU, thereby making it a reasonable cloaky/drone boat. Nothing to outrageous. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
908
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:15:00 -
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Also, im pretty sure star destroyers are already done to death. |
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery Team Liquid
68
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:16:00 -
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looks like a suitable ship for the king. i would double the drone bandwidth and give it +5 extra drones(+1 per level from gallente). |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1061
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday?
I'm not sure where you're getting this kind of ridiculous attitude from. OP may have used a 5% bonus that no longer exists instead of a 4% bonus like he should have (and an active rep bonus that wouldn't go on the hull alongside a resist bonus) but other than that the proposed stats look roughly like a scaled-up version of the Stratios.
The drone bonuses might be a little excessive though.. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
80
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:I liked your drawing but I'm not so sure on the rest.. Well i just went with drones, primarily- and the gal BS bonus is identical to the Dominix. Also, it has 1 more slot than the Machariel total, so yeah, maybe take one off. But like I said, it's kind of an OP base stats idea. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:18:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday? I'm not sure where you're getting this kind of ridiculous attitude from. OP may have used a 5% bonus that no longer exists instead of a 4% bonus like he should have (and an active rep bonus that wouldn't go on the hull alongside a resist bonus) but other than that the proposed stats look roughly like a scaled-up version of the Stratios. The drone bonuses might be a little excessive though. Anyway, that Star Destroyer model is pretty meaningless since it's the same placeholder that every ship gets when it hasn't got a model of its own. The Dragoon had that exact same model during the development of Retribution. I see then, about the 5%- the Abaddon has a 4%.. that should be it.
But the Gallente BS bonus is identical to the Dominix's, actually "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
968
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:19:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday? I said I was aiming high This is a somewhat OP base, stat-wise. I just wanted people to see my drawing
With writing like that you should be a Doctor in RL my friend . Just a teasing comment, not trolling, but I really like that you put that much effort in and your drawing skills far exceed mine. This looks like an actual "draft concept" piece of art that I'm sure are done and similar to what they did for the new Char Selection Screen for Rubicon so you get a "Bloody good effort" from me for that alone.
As for the SoE Battleship...I think we should just let CCP push out the thread for feedback and then let them know what we think about their concept. They are in the best position to propose something in-line with all ships of all races and classes to make this not OP and if not then we can add our thoughts and hopefully it will be revised (see Marauder changes for Rubicon thread).
Like your enthusiasm though OP, and top marks for effort. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
359
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:31:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I see then, about the 5%- the Abaddon has a 4%.. that should be it. But the Gallente BS bonus is identical to the Dominix's, actually I'm not sure where you see Dominix's bonus as 10% unless you live in a cave or in the past. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-odyssey-1.1
Quote: Ship Balancing
The Dominix will have its bonus to drone tracking and optimal range reduced from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.
Also:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Well i just went with drones, primarily- and the gal BS bonus is identical to the Dominix. Also, it has 1 more slot than the Machariel total, so yeah, maybe take one off. But like I said, it's kind of an OP base stats idea. General CCP policy is for drone boats to have 1 less slot than any gunship of their class. So make it -2. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:34:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I see then, about the 5%- the Abaddon has a 4%.. that should be it. But the Gallente BS bonus is identical to the Dominix's, actually I'm not sure where you see Dominix's bonus as 10% unless you live in a cave or in the past. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-odyssey-1.1Quote: Ship Balancing
The Dominix will have its bonus to drone tracking and optimal range reduced from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.
Ah- whoops, I had searched "Doninix Stats" and was looking at this
But maybe a higher (if only slightly higher) bonus could work... after all, it's a Pirate Faction Battleship. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
360
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:41:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:and an active rep bonus that wouldn't go on the hull alongside a resist bonus armor res bonus with local rep power is ok because ... *cough*... Damnation. Local rep bonus can be normalized to standard 7.5% per level. Certainly you'll have ultimate PvE drone boat as the outcome, but that will allow to rebalance Rattlesnake (and a whole Guristas ships line) in a proper pirate-faction missile boat (there are none atm). Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:44:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:and an active rep bonus that wouldn't go on the hull alongside a resist bonus armor res bonus with local rep power is ok because ... *cough*... Damnation. Local rep bonus can be normalized to standard 7.5% per level. Certainly you'll have ultimate PvE drone boat as the outcome, but that will allow to rebalance Rattlesnake (and a whole Guristas ships line) in a proper pirate-faction missile boat (there are none atm). And then we'd finally get a Caldari-Minmatar line of ships I'm looking forward to the Pirate Ship rebalance- there will be plenty of people complaining A lot of good things could come of it, too, though. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
360
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:57:00 -
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@Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci you got domi bonus wrong. it should be (overall bonuses): Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level. 7.5% bonus to drone optimal range and tracking speed per level.
Amarr battleship bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. 4% bonus to armor resistances per level.
Role bonus: 37.5% increased strength for scan probes.
Edit: swapped rep power bonus with drone damage one to match racial bonuses. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:00:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:@Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci you got domi bonus wrong. it should be (overall bonuses): Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level. 7.5% bonus to drone optimal range and tracking speed per level.
Amarr battleship bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. 4% bonus to armor resistances per level.
Role bonus: 37.5% increased strength for scan probes.
Edit: swapped rep power bonus with drone damage one to match racial bonuses. Thanks- that's what I wanted I'll change that in the OP.
Or... maybe I'll mix it up a little "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
180
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:13:00 -
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Oh look. Its an OP version of my idea. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
369
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:22:00 -
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I'm pretty sure CCP will never use your exact stats. They'll come up with their own.
Nestor... It sounds like a little boy to me. It's slightly disturbing. |
Vypri
Pirate Code
1
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:15:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Why not also make it immune to damage, able to jump to any system without a cyno and allow it to fit a doomsday? I said I was aiming high This is a somewhat OP base, stat-wise. I just wanted people to see my drawing
Looks like a Hurricane.....on roids. |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:23:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP will never use your exact stats. They'll come up with their own.
Nestor... It sounds like a little boy to me. It's slightly disturbing. Well that's already it's name- I didn't choose that. I just created the design based on that and the other ships. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
The Knights of Retribution
23
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:26:00 -
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Whoa there, a double bonus from each of the races (Gallente and Amarr) is extreme power creep, all the other Pirate Battleships only get a single bonus from their respective race.
Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever! |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:30:00 -
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Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:Whoa there, a double bonus from each of the races (Gallente and Amarr) is extreme power creep, all the other Pirate Battleships only get a single bonus from their respective race.
Hmm.. That's a good point- I'll change that to make it go along with the others. I'm trying to make it reasonable, stats-wise. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
The Knights of Retribution
25
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:43:00 -
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I like the new version, seems to fit nicely.
Edit: maybe adding a role bonus to laser turrets, as CCP seems to favor them for the SOE ships, although leaving it open for any turret the player wants to use would be interesting. Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever! |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
81
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Posted - 2013.11.14 04:10:00 -
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Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:I like the new version, seems to fit nicely.
Edit: maybe adding a role bonus to laser turrets, as CCP seems to favor them for the SOE ships, although leaving it open for any turret the player wants to use would be interesting. Hmm.. Yeah, seeing as I reduced the bonuses, that could work- and they are Amarr/Gallente, so lasers should be a part. I was actually thinking of that, adding the 3rd role bonus like the other two have. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
83
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:16:00 -
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UPDATE: I've changed a lot of the stats and made it more balanced. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Aldahen
Frozen Dawn Academy Arctic Light
3
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:12:00 -
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Now the stats look like a beefed up version of the SOE Cruiser. I personally have fate in the creative talent of CCP and expect that the SOE BS will have some kind of new twist in it. Maybe some kind of bridging or jumping ability. Or something totally new.
Meanwhile I'll be happy to play with the Cruiser and Frig.
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
84
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:27:00 -
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Aldahen wrote:Now the stats look like a beefed up version of the SOE Cruiser. I personally have fate in the creative talent of CCP and expect that the SOE BS will have some kind of new twist in it. Maybe some kind of bridging or jumping ability. Or something totally new.
Meanwhile I'll be happy to play with the Cruiser and Frig.
Ever noticed how the Rattlesnake is a beefed up Gila? Same drone bandwidth and damage bonus, just different hull stats. |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
57
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:29:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Hey everyone- So I've been really excited for all of the SoE ships we're getting, and even more so for the BS, which is coming out in a point release a little after Rubicon hits. So I was inspired, and drew up a picture of it- ignore the rambling text if you'd like, but I put a decent amount of work into this. I actually took some inspiration from Sisi's placeholder model (the star destroyer-esque model) and incorporated it into the picture- I felt like it matched SoE's aesthetic well. Then I molded parts similar to the other SoE ships onto it and mixed it all together. I also wrote some improvised stats up for it : Hi- 7 Med- 5 Low- 8 Drone Bay: 475m3 (yes, its main weapon system is drones, and the exploration/long deployment thing yadda yadda) Drone Bandwidth: 125mbit/sec Cargo Hold: 985m3 (again with the long deployment theme) Role Bonus: 37.5% bonus to tracking speed of large energy turrets Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Probe Strength Role Bonus: +15 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers (to make a exploration battleship reasonable to use) Can fit covert ops cloaking devices (like the others) Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus per level: 4% bonus to armor resistances Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus per level: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. I am changing these stats as time goes on, in order to balance them with current ship stats.Tell me what you think- I'd love for CCP to see this and use my drawing as its design Thanks for reading. EDIT: Changed 5% Amarr BS Bonus to 4%. EDIT: Removed one Medium Power slot. EDIT: Changed 10% Gallente BS Bonus to 7.5%. EDIT: Changed Both BS Bonuses again, added Role Bonuses. EDIT: Changed Both BS Bonuses again, changed virus strength bonus. EDIT: Added 37.5% Role Bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking.
screw you, lasers suck, quit eve and never play again.
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Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
62
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:36:00 -
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My two cents:
1) There should be no covert ops cloak bs - leave that for black ops maybe.
2) Getting rid of covops cloak would allow it to make a proper BS: lots of firepower and armour.
3) Bonus for lasers and drone dps should be ok.
Justification: insisting on covops cloak will reduce the firepower, fitting and endurance of this ship. CCP will not allow it to be equal to other pirate BS AND have covops cloak. So be careful what you wish for. |
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