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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
Quote: You are no better than an alt. Being "old" does not give you the right to crap on other people's threads. I've called a mod to clean up this mess.
And you are no better than anyone else - so stop acting like it
I'm not the one claiming that the devs are somehow "wrong."
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:31:00 -
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I'll ask again then ..
Quote: Or the post where they stated that the Procurement skill was in fact broken?
Please back this up with evidence ..
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DeODokktor
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:37:00 -
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Cant we all get along.. And RensPC is a LOT older than 3 months Or the game is bugg'd cause his start date is only 4 days ago (wtf he posted before that).. So either somethings buggy with the char (might explain how he is able to place over 1bn in buyorders within the first 3 months) or it's one of those old chars that is half ****'d up when you show info :)..
But.. It's just me deo and I call bull**** on this char's 3 month claim :) plus he's only making 7% per day.. Granted that's not a bad increase but it means he started with around 3m on day 1 (fast learner?)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor Cant we all get along.. And RensPC is a LOT older than 3 months Or the game is bugg'd cause his start date is only 4 days ago (wtf he posted before that).. So either somethings buggy with the char (might explain how he is able to place over 1bn in buyorders within the first 3 months) or it's one of those old chars that is half ****'d up when you show info :)..
But.. It's just me deo and I call bull**** on this char's 3 month claim :) plus he's only making 7% per day.. Granted that's not a bad increase but it means he started with around 3m on day 1 (fast learner?)
You should have seen the original thread before it got cleaned up... I won't mention the means through which he got the ISK to put up the buy orders to begin with, as that originally began the flamewar that the mods cleaned up.
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Rens PC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:16:00 -
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De: Rens PC is not my main; he is an alt that I posted with so as not to reveal my main. I did not want someone to buy something from me in game, check their wallet and see my real name, and immediately know what my market was. My main is now 35 days old; I deleted Rens PC and moved him to another of my accounts so that I could get PCs without having to close the game, switch characters, close the game, switch characters, close the game, etc (this game has the most counter-intuitive character-switching that I have ever heard of).
Personally, I don't care whether you believe me or not. I accidentally lect my ROA/day in the guide (I just now saw) so you extrapolated my net worth from that I suppose. I will remove that immediately; the point is not how much money I have, how old I am, or how much money I make, or even how I got my starting cash. The point is the guide, not the boast.
P.S. Dark Shikari, while I see that Moo does not have the tact to avoid starting a flame war in someone else's thread, I surely thought better of you. Would you please disregard him in the future? I do appreciate all the free bumps, but at this rate we'll have to get a dev to pare down the thread once again, and I'd rather not have to do that.
Thanks!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rens PC
P.S. Dark Shikari, while I see that Moo does not have the tact to avoid starting a flame war in someone else's thread, I surely thought better of you. Would you please disregard him in the future? I do appreciate all the free bumps, but at this rate we'll have to get a dev to pare down the thread once again, and I'd rather not have to do that.
I already called a mod to pare down the thread, but apparently they didn't get around to it.
I'm sorry for taking the bait; I'd suggest you call an ISD again to just remove the flame posts. You'd be surprised how effective it is.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:42:00 -
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Thread cleaned.
Please remain on topic and refrain from any trolling/flaming. Off-topic replies will be removed. If you believe something is bugged, file a petition ingame to inquire with a GM or file a bug report online.
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Erok Starbringer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:22:00 -
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Great Post!.. I have created an Alt char specifically for this kind of trading Char at 20 all other atributes below 10 : ).. He currently has over 2.7mil SPs in the trading Category.. I have a main Char in 0.0 space that can make 100mil isk in a week npcing a couple nights so capital is not a problem. I am trying to figure out what the deal is with Visibility and Procurment.. I currently have Procurment to lvl 4 but have not started trading yet (I am waiting to get my skills a little higher than I'm going to start with a 100mil isk nut) do I need visibility at all? No-One seems to know the deal with these two trade skills. I will start trading soon so if I figure out exactly how they work I will post it.. otherwise can someone elaborate? This is important for doing trading that requires no hauling.
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Syath
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:05:00 -
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u know what erok... i am seriously getting made at procurement and visibility everyone offers their own opinion to it and i have my own... it doesnt work as intended past lvl 2, and what makes me even more disgruntled is that the person.... who trimed this thread didnt even feel it was necessary to provide a little bit of information. I seriously think even the devs cant figure out what the heck they wanna do with it, so they are just waiting until somone has a good idea so they can snatch it.
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Syath
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:06:00 -
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o ya... kinda like whats going on with the player made stock market... heh
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Alanix
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Alanix on 03/03/2006 04:16:03 Syath, the person who pruned the thread is not a dev, he's a mod. He's just an ordinary guy who gets paid to go around and trim threads and restore order on the forums. He probably doesn't know the answer to procurement and visibility, either.
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Syath
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Posted - 2006.03.05 07:11:00 -
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i dont believe i said he was a dev... i was just commenting on the dev's i just called him a person.
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Alanix
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:17:00 -
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Quote: what makes me even more disgruntled is that the person.... who trimed this thread didnt even feel it was necessary to provide a little bit of information
My point was simply that "the person" probably has no more of an answer to the question than anyone else. It would take a dev to explain proc/vis.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:08:00 -
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Procurement works, but only in a limited way. What you want to remotely buy has to be sold at the station you want to buy it at.
Go to the market screen, right click on the item at the station and click buy. Then press the button on the dialog to get the advanced tab and enter price as needed.
Visibliy affects the "range" on these remote buy orders. (How for out you can allow people to fill your orders) --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
Pang Grohl
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Syath As I dont have visibility I cant really comment but I can assure you procurement does not work the way you say... unless there is some invisible force at work here.
Quote: Procurement affects the range at which you are able to set remote buy orders, and the area of effect for local buy orders. You can only set buy orders where the item you want to buy is being sold. For example Procurement 3 will let you place a buy order at a station 10 jumps from your current location, provided that the item you want is for sale at that station.
now what im not understanding here is how my avatar without Procurement is able to set a full regional range buy order. My Alt does indeed have procurement and it works exactly the same way as far as I can tell. I recently set a buy order with full regional range with my avatar that does NOT have procurement and it filled 20 jumps away
Ok, anyone can enter a buy order centered at their current location with any range (Station-Region). The Procurement skill lets you center the buy order at a station other than your current location. The catch is that the item you want to buy has to be on sale at the station where the buy order is centered. I misunderstood how the buy order range worked until recently, myself. Forum: A place where ideas come to prove their worth. Portraits rock!
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Erfnam
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:49:00 -
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This is a good guide, but starting far below 10m isk would result in a very slow ramp up speed. -- TCSyn , founding member of Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Syath
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Posted - 2006.03.09 20:22:00 -
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o i see what your saying takeda... damn that is very sneaky, but if what your saying is true... then it isnt in a limited way its in the full way thats to be expected. at least when minerals are concerned... because their basically at every station anywayz. thks man, i'll try this out, and if it works like you say i want to give u a shiny new ibis.
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Shakuul
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Posted - 2006.03.15 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shakuul on 15/03/2006 01:17:50
Originally by: Rens PC
2.1.1Quantity, Not Quality
That sounds reversed, doesnĘt it? ItĘs true, however. You should be interested in quick, reliable, low-profit turnover. I would much rather sell 10 items each day for 100,000 isk than sell one item a week for 5m isk. Focus on high-volume, low-profit-margin markets, and you will generally have a much higher ROA/day than someone who spends weeks and months looking for that one magical billion isk trade.
Doesn't this mean that, with regional buy orders, you end up with items scattered all over the place? Won't your order limit be reached too quickly to sell all of these in sufficient time?
Also. It appears that part of the guide is missing. Was that removed because of a flamewar? Was it the section on NPC trading?
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Nuri Aderynn
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Posted - 2006.03.15 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul Doesn't this mean that, with regional buy orders, you end up with items scattered all over the place? Won't your order limit be reached too quickly to sell all of these in sufficient time?
Yes, this is why you should be very careful with the ranges and only set larger than Solar System when you really know what you're doing.
Originally by: Shakuul Also. It appears that part of the guide is missing. Was that removed because of a flamewar? Was it the section on NPC trading?
You can't ask about moderation on the forums. The removed section was not pertinent to the rest of the guide.
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Mary Wan
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Taketa De Procurement works, but only in a limited way. What you want to remotely buy has to be sold at the station you want to buy it at.
Go to the market screen, right click on the item at the station and click buy. Then press the button on the dialog to get the advanced tab and enter price as needed.
Is this the way procurement was intended to work? Will it ever be 'fixed' so that you can set buy orders anywhere indiscriminately?
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Alanix
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:11:00 -
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Mary, that very question resulted in the last flame war (iirc the thread has been pared down twice now b/c of flame wars). Nobody can agree whether it is working as intended or not, but personally, I think not. Would be nice to get the OP's opinion, but he/she is probably afraid of starting another flame war.
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Cervalan
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Posted - 2006.03.17 13:40:00 -
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To the OP, thanks for the great guide. I now know why my stuff wasn't selling!
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Rens PC
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:17:00 -
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Thank you all for your comments! Concerning regional buy orders: full range regional orders are good for some things and not so for others. No, you don't want to buy one unit of trit in every system in a region, so if buying minerals you should set a high minimum to buy. However, you certainly don't want to turn down a Cap II module at 50% of its value just because the seller was two hops away from the station in which you set up your order. Regional range gives you MUCH more coverage than "solar system," "five hops," etc. For maximum coverage of a region, nothing beats a full regional-range order. However, you should certainly feel free to play around with your orders and see what works best for you.
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Sub rose
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sub rose on 23/03/2006 23:49:04
Originally by: Nuri Aderynn
Originally by: Shakuul Doesn't this mean that, with regional buy orders, you end up with items scattered all over the place? Won't your order limit be reached too quickly to sell all of these in sufficient time?
Yes, this is why you should be very careful with the ranges and only set larger than Solar System when you really know what you're doing.
Well kind of depends on what sort of scale you're working on. Using the buy fast sell fast philosophy you'll end up giving yourself a headache trying to rush around collecting together all those orders all the time. If you have the capital, or only trade on the side and have other sources of income however, you could keep buying regionaly at lower prices and just stockpile the goods for a while. Then collect em all together when you need a cash injection and sell them off being careful not to flood the market. As long as you're not restricted by capital then you'll be pulling in the same profits this way but with much less time invested which you can use for having some fun popping rats or simply kicking back and watching TV
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Rens PC
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:21:00 -
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FYI, I am taking my trading business public, so it is time to reveal my main. I will link the IPO thread here once I launch it (probably tomorrow night--US time).
I am Alanix.
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Alanix
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Posted - 2006.03.24 19:24:00 -
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Just a quick post to confirm that Rens PC is my alt. Tugako is also my alt; Tugako will be the CEO of the corporation (Universal Trading Consortium).
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Sonlatur
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:03:00 -
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I'm very new to trading but something i came up with might be helpful. For trading there are several constraints to your activity. Amongst others your cargo hold and the maximum amount of ISK you can invest into your hold. Now, maxing out these constrainst should, in theory, give you the best profit (a freighter pilot will take different routes than an Indie pilot or even a Probe pilot; as will a pilot who can spend 100M for his trade than one who can only spend 10M). So what i do to when looking for routes is to calculate how much ISK per cargo unit i can spend at maximum to completely fill my hold. Then i look for goods which have, more or less (+- 50%), this ratio.
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Redbad
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:06:00 -
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I think its a good guide too and the comments in the thread are helping me a "Student Trader" a great deal. After a few days I came to the conclusion that regional buys using this system is rather tedious on the picking it all up front and getting it away from the low buying points and placing it in the high selling points.
Now I've come up with putting out couriermission for this ferrying, but nothing seems to be picked up, whilst I give a rahter big fee for it. Are there actual players that do these courierthings? It would certainly make the suggested strategy in this guide much more interesting.
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Trebor Locke
Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Redbad I think its a good guide too and the comments in the thread are helping me a "Student Trader" a great deal. After a few days I came to the conclusion that regional buys using this system is rather tedious on the picking it all up front and getting it away from the low buying points and placing it in the high selling points.
Now I've come up with putting out couriermission for this ferrying, but nothing seems to be picked up, whilst I give a rahter big fee for it. Are there actual players that do these courierthings? It would certainly make the suggested strategy in this guide much more interesting.
There are actually corporations dedicated to hauling. Haulers also tend to float around the region (I happen to haul when I don't have any large trade going on) and those dedicated to hauling will do those missions. Key is, making sure you'll get enough money from the objects being sent tou you so that you're still making a profit. Many haulers hate being undercut.
A tip when trading is to keep good documents. We're in a very spreadsheet oriented business, isn't too hard to know at any time your profit :)
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