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Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
280
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:06:00 -
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Ganking should not happen to me, coz it's me bro! |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
298
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:39:00 -
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Rhatar Khurin wrote:Where are the numbers that shows that suiciding is at an all-time low?
I don't know about all of new eden, but around my parts (Molden Heath) it still seems fairly rife.
it doesn't matter what the numbers say, it's the quality not the quantity of the ganks.
we're not talking about ISK driven ganking with the skill of an accountant. it's basically void spamming anything that looks like it'll die. freelance space bum |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1818
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:48:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand. No, at least one person ganked an autopiloted Tengu. That doesn't show anything is 'getting out of hand'. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
123
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:08:00 -
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Who gets ganked anymore? I've piloted mining barges through 0.0, undocked in an expanded cargohold Noctis in Amarr with 400 million inside my paper-thin hull, gone 25 jumps in a badger with everything I own. How the heck did you get ganked in a... Oh, you were autopiloting. Just to be clear, then, you weren't ganked at all, since you weren't there. A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |
Clementina
Coreli Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:10:00 -
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You do realize Original Poster that your Tengu had less EHP than a Charon and Charons die every day, right?
Also it appears that the gankers did in fact make money since they apparently were using Neutron Blaster I's.
More than money though, those gankers for the past few weeks have been haunting your head and controlling your game. Consider, lots of the people who have responded here are from Goonfleet. Their boss, The Mittani, has to spend hundreds of billions to even make an attempt at controlling someone else's game with no guarantee of tears or butthurt. Dead Terrorists on the other hand sent you crying to the forums with a just dozen catalysts. I'm forced to acknowledge Dead Terrorists as your lord and master. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
578
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:12:00 -
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It wasn't a random high sec gate...it was Uttindar, which is right next door to hek, and is 0.5, and is populated by all sorts of GRRRR SCARY PEOPLE! (or something). It is on the pipeline between two trade hubs.
Being surprised at getting ganked on the 0.5 section of Jita - Rens is like expressing shock at dead freighters in Uedama |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
696
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:14:00 -
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This thread has everything one could ask for:
1) wormhole carebear 2) "didn't want that ship any way" 3) AFK in space 4) ludicrous gank nerf proposal 5) failure to target the primary at Features and Ideas 6) tears...oh...tears 7) hero gankers who bring content not only to space, but the forums.
10/10 would def read again. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
398
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:38:00 -
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I'd happily make a net loss of 100M ISK in a suicide gank if it got a reaction like this. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
483
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:41:00 -
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Stop using the travelling bot. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1138
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:17:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.
Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.
The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.
I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.
Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?
Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.
Solution.
Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:
Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.
So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.
Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.
This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.
Link killmail. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
154
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:29:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?
Translation: Its ok for gankers to gank other indy ships, but when I fly a ship that seems profitable to a ganker its not.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Solution.
Gankers can pay concord to not get shot at.
No, this has been suggested before and declined every time. People being able to pay concord a fee to shoot anyone in high sec would be so broken. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1614
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:42:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?
Looks like they used 10 catalysts? So say 20mil?
You dropped ~75mil. Looks like they profited to me. Where is the problem?
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ArmyOfMe
0mega. Phobia.
224
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:55:00 -
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The only problem i have wich suicide ganks are the fact that there are to many ppl using low sp alts rather then their mains for it |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1715
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:02:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:The only problem i have wich suicide ganks are the fact that there are to many ppl using low sp alts rather then their mains for it
The same can be said of most of the game. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3383
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:07:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.
Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.
The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.
I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.
Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?
Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.
Solution.
Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:
Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.
So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.
Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.
This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.
EVE online is the game where YOU (the player) are supposed to "make the ganker pay", not CCP.
Further, what you (in your short sightedness) suggest would make suicide ganking less likely to happen. EVE NEEDs ships to die, it's a part of it's balance, ship death is vital to the economy. Everything we do in game revolves around that economy. In your zeal to have CCP "legislate away your own mistakes", you advocate a course of action that would hurt the game for everyone.
You should pretty much be ashamed of this thread you created.
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Good Apollo BS4
Pew Pew Scrubs The Silent One's
13
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:30:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:The only problem i have wich suicide ganks are the fact that there are to many ppl using low sp alts rather then their mains for it
Either way, you're dead. Or not. But ppl are gonna gank regardless of skill points. |
To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:32:00 -
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The only problem here is that people think highsec is safe.
ts your own problem to think theres such a thing in EvE (safety)
So if you dont want that to happen man up, evolve, get better, and especially dont autopilot and then come to forums complain about game mechanics.
Its all your fault.
You are bad at EvE, admit it.
And/or this game is not for you.
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M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
405
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Suicide ganking is infact at a record low.
Citation? How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
405
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Janna Sway wrote:baltec1 wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Its only as easy as the victim makes it and this victim was afk flying in a low ehp ship with his tank turned off and enough expensive mods to make him worth ganking.
ecmgus are passive-tanked. trimarks in rigs, plate and adaptive nanos in low. roughly 70k ehp. give or take. Thats just so you know. You cant passive tank armour. "passive armor tank" means "armor buffer tank". "Passive" in that regard means that no capacitor is used to run the tanking modules. Thats a buffer tank. A passive tank is one that regens without the use of local or external reppers and is only possible with sheilds.
Passive tank = buffer tank
Active tank = shield booster/armor repper
Passive regen is not a tank that should be used anywhere, ever, with the sole exception of carebearing. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:43:00 -
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Inquisitor Ageri wrote:Solstice Project wrote:OP is a carebear, a liar and full of himself. This from Shitposter Alpha. You're right next to him. A gigantic, lying, hypocritical *******. |
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
673
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:48:00 -
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Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.
That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom.
And i completely agree with the lack of consequences, even if CCP tried to make out that it would be the case with the bounty system. Sure, it works now, and can't be abused. But the fact that everyone can be bountied makes it completely worthless. In my opinion, it should be those with low security status, those that flaunt the law of the empires, that should face the potential consequences.
But then, you're just giving gankers a little bit more isk when they're concorded. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:51:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.
That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom. If i could opt out of CONCORD in highsec, without having to be -10 for that ...
... that'd be great. |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
65
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:51:00 -
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Quote:I got ganked while auto-piloting...
Seriously, I had totally forgotten about the auto-pilot feature. I am not joking... |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:58:00 -
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This thread is a gold mine for additional ganking targets and for tear harvesting.
Gankers are servants of the public in New Eden, culling the low hanging fruit like the OP and that is indeed WAI.
Carry on. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:11:00 -
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I couldn't be bothered to play the game because hi sec is supposed to be safe and I lost my ship not playing the game so it is everyone's fault but my own.
Because something happened to me once, it is completely out of control.
Who would gank a fleet ship? A fleet of gank ships, thats who.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
462
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:38:00 -
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OP: People should have to pay a billion to kill me.
OP Later: I'm rich from wormholes, billions mean nothing to me.
Logic. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1257
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:39:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:kermity wrote:
Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.
TEST? You guys still exist? I dont much pay attention to null-bears, all you are to me are ship scan results on my tackle boat's combat probes...And a few seconds later, a cloud of wreckage.
Oh look, someone who brags about killing AFK ratters in nullsec cries about getting killed AFK autopiloting in highsec. I don't think I can tank that much irony.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12400
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:46:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:kermity wrote:
Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.
TEST? You guys still exist? I dont much pay attention to null-bears, all you are to me are ship scan results on my tackle boat's combat probes...And a few seconds later, a cloud of wreckage. Oh look, someone who brags about killing AFK ratters in nullsec cries about getting killed AFK autopiloting in highsec. I don't think I can tank that much irony.
I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.
1 Kings 12:11
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
463
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.
*logs in destroyer and locator alts* Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12403
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Posted - 2013.11.17 17:51:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Malcanis wrote: I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.
*logs in destroyer and locator alts*
I think not, it's worth 50 jillion trillion ISK so if you don't use 7000 titans to kill my shuttle then you're basically cheating and breaking the law and a criminal and will go to prison with large sexually adventurous men who don't take no for an answer.
1 Kings 12:11
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