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Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:52:00 -
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Up until recently I was your average Bob fearing man, living in class 5 space with a lower class static (c3)
I had posted a thread on these very forums expressing a desire for something more... I made a plan to move to C6 space. I wont lie. I was terrified of C6 space. Blood Union and No-Ho were my boogey man. The guys in the dark who would jump out and gank me at any time anywhere.
I fought off fear and we took the plunge into C6-C6 wormhole space. and to great effect. I remember when my corp was in The last chancers alliance and people spoke of 90 man roaming t3 gangs that rofl-ref'd pos' as they saw fit and entities who wanted to keep the "sanctity" of c6 space clean
None of it was true. We have rolled into many C6 groups. Reapers Grin (that legion fit....), TDSIN, No-Ho Repercussus and more. We have had great fights with every single one of them. No 90 man t3 gangs at all. No-Ho seemed to welcome our presence with blaster fire and laser vollies and all has been amazing. Even TDSIN and Skyfighters tok the time to come in and have some fun.
I want to help bring life BACK to C6 space and create a flourishing PvP environment I once heard stories of.
As of now ANY PvP group that wants to come out and experience this wonderful life can contact me and we will give the location of an empty c6 with your chosen static if we come across it. I have seen so many empty systems and even more populated with 6 man farming corps. The time of stagnation must end up here.
Even after fights AGAINST No-Ho we have gone out on roams with them after. this attitude can and should be encouraged. pew each other! and then WITH eachother.
My alliance has so many high hopes for this wonderful aspect of ths game we all play.
Im trying to shift them away from the paradigm of t3 combat. Starting VERY soon i will be getting them to roam c6 space in gangs of frigates and maybe even destoyers in search of better more engaging combat.
this isn't null sec and our fleets shouldn't feel like null strat ops where its the same fleet comp over and over and over and over again
I think brave newies had the mantra right "Fun per hour over isk per hour" you have a t3 fight and what do you get? "yeah that was ok" have a huge 40 man frigate brawl.... that's FUN. Alliance like no holes and ssc and KILL have all made their mark and everyone knows them for the prowess. they've hit the top and i have the utmost respect for them. now that youre there. its time to have some REAL fun.
As a new resident to c6 space I want to call out all the people who are too nervous and scared to take the plunge.. The waters are warm and the beaches are endless. come take a swim its amazing out here
Dmitry |
Peter Moonlight
Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge
7
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:44:00 -
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Well Dmitry, to be honest, most of the groups from lower class of wormholes C1-C4, are not going to make that jump that far to C6.. So here i think i can write it up like this.. C1: Newbies that go there and do some PI+Farm with the small risk of getting ganged, with k-space as static. C2: Lots of different options on C2, in my opinion that's the wormhole with most "PVP", fun and other things in it, but it's good ISK for newbies too, but not so easy to do many things solo with 2 statics and probably with K162's that open like crazy all the time.. So it's pretty much the most dangerous wormhole of the lower class but it provides most of the things also.. C3: Always a k-space static, great for farming, can be easily soloed or with a small group. It has often wandering holes or K162's, but other then that it's pretty much farm hole, or for people that are looking to often get into some k-space so they can roll static and acess other places also.. C4: Ok, so here it is pretty much simple, over 90% of C4 residents are farmers and carebears, there are only a few small groups that would have the balls to switch to the higher class hole C5/C6 but most of them are pretty small for that, and they at the end usually join some alliance or merge with someone in higher class, or after long time of boring to death in C4 members just start to leave the hole and look for the higher/lower class for something they are looking for. There were also groups that were living there and trying to PVP, but they have seen it's pretty much boring, and not much of a PVP, but ghost space. They had the balls to move up and come play with us in C5/C6, and so far that i know off they are doing it pretty good so you can ask them. As an example (End-of-Line, Jester's hole).
So as a conclusion we get to the point that only viable groups to move into C5/C6 are groups from C2 or C4(rarely).. But they still need a big push or someone to show them up things, help, and learn them things because most of them don't know much about capitals and much other things.. So they mostly end up leaving their corporations/alliances and joining some of the bigger or merge with someone, but it is so rare for those groups to come up here on their own and do something.
Correct me if I'm wrong. |
Sundiel
Cynical Criterion Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:56:00 -
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You got mail Dmitry ;) |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 11:22:00 -
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There's not enough of an incentive for a group like us to uproot and move to a c6. The logistical nightmare of moving a 300 man alliance with mass limits blows my mind.
With a c5-c5 we can pretty much guarantee that we'll get what we need.
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
172
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Posted - 2013.11.18 11:27:00 -
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C5 and C6 space is pretty interconnected. For example we meet with NoHo all the time. Theres no need to move.
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoy our little corner of eve Dmitry. W-Space Realtor |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2411
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Posted - 2013.11.18 11:52:00 -
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There's virtually no difference between C6 and C5 space except you run into the same people more often. I havnt been keeping up to date with who lives in C6 space at all since I moved out of it myself. If it is a good play to be right now, good for you.
Thing is, if it gets heavily populated it just becomes a massive arms race and there's huge pressure to amass caps and T3 blobs. It's what happened in the past and i dont see it going down any differently in the future. Originally there were very few alliances in WHs and none of note. There were a few big 'scary' corps like AHARM and CCRES back in the day and they had little real competition. It takes a LONG time to grow a large WH corp due to security and trust issues but people figured out that it's much simpler to just form a big alliance to challenge the big corps which lead to DUCKS, TL, Exhale, Talocan ect and so now anyone and everyone who wants to can get into a large blob fest alliance which more or less means everyone who wants to live in the same space as the large groups needs to form or join a large group.
The alliances have mostly fail cascaded these days since people got generally tired of it and moved out of C6 and some C5 space which is probably why youre enjoying whatever is left in C6s.
Personally Im very happy with my C2 static and won't be looking back to C6 space any time soon. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:43:00 -
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I understand the larger more established groups like susu sky fighters disavowed and those guys being rooted where they are. They've established themselves in a long time home and I wouldn't really expect them to make the move. Most of you have done it already anyways. But the random 150 man alliances and 80 man corps that inhabit c2 space (hell gate alliance, heart of darkness and the like) should take the leap. Never be satisfied is my motto. I'm never happy with settling and always striving for more. Maybe I'm trying to force my beliefs. Or maybe I'm trying to give people the push they need to grow and do something better. Brave newbies for instance. I had a run in with them when I was the only person in nova scanning my way out. I jumped into a c5 saw some domis ignored them jumped through a c5 into a c2 and started scanning. The domi fleet jumped behind me 3 minutes later collapsing me out of the nova chain with only an eol low sec connection. Obviously I was enraged. But I got to talking with the CEO of their worm hole corp and he was looking for a new wormhole. They had a c2-c2 I think. He wanted to stay in low wormhole space and I convinced him to take the plunge and gave them our c5-c3. So far tey seem to be doing well there. They lost a couple caps but it happens. They took the plunge and I commend them for it. I just hope others are willing to do the same |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:03:00 -
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We went were the targets were.
OPs assertions about typical residents of each class are largely correct in my experience, but I'd add surely the biggest pull for those heading into the C5-C6 systems/statics is ISK? When they wanted pew they moved into the lower classes like everyone else.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
322
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:24:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:We went were the targets were.
OPs assertions about typical residents of each class are largely correct in my experience, but I'd add surely the biggest pull for those heading into the C5-C6 systems/statics is ISK? When they wanted pew they moved into the lower classes like everyone else.
Imo, nearly every chain connects down to a lowclass wormhole, so it to me appears to really come down what you want to have in your static. For us, that's a c5, as c5s are the one class with most of the rather experienced pvp-groups in it. Lowclass static on the other hand (or the combination of c5/c6 with c2 static) is more a funhole, or a sologanker's dream.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:34:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Ilaister wrote:We went were the targets were.
OPs assertions about typical residents of each class are largely correct in my experience, but I'd add surely the biggest pull for those heading into the C5-C6 systems/statics is ISK? When they wanted pew they moved into the lower classes like everyone else.
Imo, nearly every chain connects down to a lowclass wormhole, so it to me appears to really come down what you want to have in your static. For us, that's a c5, as c5s are the one class with most of the rather experienced pvp-groups in it. Lowclass static on the other hand (or the combination of c5/c6 with c2 static) is more a funhole, or a sologanker's dream.
you took the words from my mouth. to me the lower class is a cop out. its not "pvp" its ganks and easy runnings to hi sec |
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
73
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:16:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:Or maybe I'm trying to give people the push they need to grow and do something better.
Nothing personal and I have zero interest in fostering the us (C1-C4) vs them (C5-C6) attitude that has been so prevalent since the creation of w-space, but it is this must go to C5/C6 attitude that will ensure you fail in your endeavor. You see, most C2 folks like them just fine and I for one don't see C5/C6 life as "better", in fact, I see it as the opposite. The biggest difference however is that I respect the C5/C6 corps for their choice to live there, and don't look down on them because they don't play the way I do. We get everything we want out of the C2 like the pew pew, the ISK, and mainly because it is fun. 2 people or 1 dual-boxing can make all the ISK they need/want, chain or hs diving is plentiful, often leading to ganks or PVP. While I think your intentions are noble, without getting a better handle on what has already "gone wrong" in w-space you just aren't seeing the whole picture. Some lower class folks will naturally migrate to higher class but if they don't, your assumption that they are essentially scared or just fail is way off in many instances. Not everyone want's to participate in the arms race.
For us, C2 life maximizes fun/hr and that is what guides our corp. The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
322
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:07:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:Or maybe I'm trying to give people the push they need to grow and do something better. Nothing personal and I have zero interest in fostering the us (C1-C4) vs them (C5-C6) attitude that has been so prevalent since the creation of w-space, but it is this must go to C5/C6 attitude that will ensure you fail in your endeavor. You see, most C2 folks like them just fine and I for one don't see C5/C6 life as "better", in fact, I see it as the opposite. The biggest difference however is that I respect the C5/C6 corps for their choice to live there, and don't look down on them because they don't play the way I do. We get everything we want out of the C2 like the pew pew, the ISK, and mainly because it is fun. 2 people or 1 dual-boxing can make all the ISK they need/want, chain or hs diving is plentiful, often leading to ganks or PVP. While I think your intentions are noble, without getting a better handle on what has already "gone wrong" in w-space you just aren't seeing the whole picture. Some lower class folks will naturally migrate to higher class but if they don't, your assumption that they are essentially scared or just fail is way off in many instances. Not everyone want's to participate in the arms race. For us, C2 life maximizes fun/hr and that is what guides our corp.
I'd agree that c2s are wonderful places to make your first steps in, however the limited chainbuilding capabilities of your low statics normally dampen any enthusiasm regarding actual wormhole-dwelling. It's a huge difference wether you live on the outskirts of wormhole spce (c1/c2/c3 with empire static) or if you live so far inside wormholes that your chain is usually forming not only a pipe or a small constellation - but a whole region of connected systems. Meaning that via static/k-holes, bridging nulls etc. the chainmapping tool is filled with 15+ systems, even when only scanning 5 holes into the chain. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
73
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:59:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote: I'd agree that c2s are wonderful places to make your first steps in, however the limited chainbuilding capabilities of your low statics normally dampen any enthusiasm regarding actual wormhole-dwelling. It's a huge difference wether you live on the outskirts of wormhole spce (c1/c2/c3 with empire static) or if you live so far inside wormholes that your chain is usually forming not only a pipe or a small constellation - but a whole region of connected systems. Meaning that via static/k-holes, bridging nulls etc. the chainmapping tool is filled with 15+ systems, even when only scanning 5 holes into the chain.
I apologize but I am not entirely following your line of thought. However, to address what I think you are getting at, it is not at all uncommon for us to have 30+ wh in our mapper, leading to HS, LS, and Null k-space. IMHO chain-building is hardly an issue. We run across C5 and C6 all the time. In looking at our Mapper right now, I can confirm connections to every class of wh and k-space system. I believe, and our experience supports the idea that chain-building and subsequently finding people to engage is a function of membership effort, not where you live. The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Bradford Clear
The Pulsar Innovation Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:24:00 -
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Dmitry, you aren't going to make c6 space by just bringing your corp to it. Yeah t3 blobs are the meta because you can bring 50 of them through a wormhole. But don't think you can change it over night. Also, if you can list your j# so we can add it on the to do list. Also, I believe we had 70 man fleets rolling the c6s when the ustz guys used to live in there. But in all honesty rip c6/c5 we all miss you.
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Casirio
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
488
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:23:00 -
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Lived in c6 space most of my time in eve.. goes through population phases, it was fairly active at one point then completely quiet minus the same few alliances that still remainded. I'm liking c5 space a lot more, and we still have run ins with NoHo etc. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2412
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:15:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Ilaister wrote:We went were the targets were. OPs assertions about typical residents of each class are largely correct in my experience, but I'd add surely the biggest pull for those heading into the C5-C6 systems/statics is ISK? When they wanted pew they moved into the lower classes like everyone else.
Imo, nearly every chain connects down to a lowclass wormhole, so it to me appears to really come down what you want to have in your static. For us, that's a c5, as c5s are the one class with most of the rather experienced pvp-groups in it. Lowclass static on the other hand (or the combination of c5/c6 with c2 static) is more a funhole, or a sologanker's dream. you took the words from my mouth. to me the lower class is a cop out. its not "pvp" its ganks and easy runnings to hi sec aaannndddd there it is, didnt take very long. the elitist c6 attitude that has resulted in C6 space now being a barren wasteland. basically the assertion youre making is that rolling your c5/6 static all day to gank a couple caps running PVE is more hardcore PVP than occasionally fining a drake to gank in a c2.
news flash: it isnt. it's exactly the same thing.
a blanket statement saying that low class WH residents are all scrubs and any 'real' pvper just goes there for ganks would be extremely offensive if it wasnt so ignorant. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:52:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Ilaister wrote:We went were the targets were. OPs assertions about typical residents of each class are largely correct in my experience, but I'd add surely the biggest pull for those heading into the C5-C6 systems/statics is ISK? When they wanted pew they moved into the lower classes like everyone else.
Imo, nearly every chain connects down to a lowclass wormhole, so it to me appears to really come down what you want to have in your static. For us, that's a c5, as c5s are the one class with most of the rather experienced pvp-groups in it. Lowclass static on the other hand (or the combination of c5/c6 with c2 static) is more a funhole, or a sologanker's dream. you took the words from my mouth. to me the lower class is a cop out. its not "pvp" its ganks and easy runnings to hi sec aaannndddd there it is, didnt take very long. the elitist c6 attitude that has resulted in C6 space now being a barren wasteland. basically the assertion youre making is that rolling your c5/6 static all day to gank a couple caps running PVE is more hardcore PVP than occasionally fining a drake to gank in a c2. news flash: it isnt. it's exactly the same thing. a blanket statement saying that low class WH residents are all scrubs and any 'real' pvper just goes there for ganks would be extremely offensive if it wasnt so ignorant.
its not meant to offend at all. i lived in the c2-c3 for most of my wormhole life it was fun bu t we rarely got any good fight.. we had honey badgers roll into us trying to do our sights nd a big fight hapened. and we had n0mex camp us for a week . that was pretty much the extent of it. all the other pvp i did was either low null or ganking tengus/drakes in their anoms.
Everyone outgrows their static sometime my corp was 168 memebers or so when we finally decided that we were too fat to live with the skinny people and took off to c5-c4. I was simply trying to express that i hvae had more fun with a c6 static then i have with a lower class |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
230
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:14:00 -
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Let me add my 2 cents.
I can say after chatting to Dmitry on and off for quite some time now he has far from an elitist attitude.
I think what his grand plan is for as many of the c6 holes to be as populated as possible so that many GFs can be had.
In reality though, this wont work for everyone as the PvPers like the fights on their terms (and there's nothing wrong with that) and the bears like to be able to farm in peace without the fear of another group rolling into them and the thought of suddenly dreads.
Overall though, i wish Dmitry and his guys all the best and i'm glad c6 space is working out for them so far.
Regards,
Sith Sky Fighters are now accepting WH Space Merc Contracts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3737774#post3737774
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Receg
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
11
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:22:00 -
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We took the best of both worlds, live in a c5 with a c6 static. Means we get to run away fight anyone in a c6 on our terms, while still being terrible at eve and hiding in our c5. Plus with there being fewer c6's than any other class we find more things to gank and more exits to roam out through, it's nice.
edit: cap usage via static is also another major draw for us, what fun is a c5/6 without caps being present from both sides? |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
25
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:53:00 -
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Seeing as there isn't a super big difference between c5/c6 I can see it not being worth it for most except when it comes to effects. It's not about seeing more people out her or getting more fights or it's too dead. I guess it's more about seeing people take the plunge challenging themselves to see if they can accomplish it. It's a tremendous feeling knowing that you managed to set the goal of climbing as high as you can and then accomplishing it. In a way I guess it's me just trying to share that feeling and encouraging others to go for it |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
373
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Posted - 2013.11.19 07:20:00 -
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There is some level of fun to have in most every wormhole... cept C4's... **** C4's.
~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
25
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Posted - 2013.11.19 07:30:00 -
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Agreed! |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
76
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:05:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:Seeing as there isn't a super big difference between c5/c6 I can see it not being worth it for most except when it comes to effects. It's not about seeing more people out her or getting more fights or it's too dead. I guess it's more about seeing people take the plunge challenging themselves to see if they can accomplish it. It's a tremendous feeling knowing that you managed to set the goal of climbing as high as you can and then accomplishing it. In a way I guess it's me just trying to share that feeling and encouraging others to go for it
There is the issue. You see the "pinnacle" of wh life as living and playing in a C5/C6, while others including myself don't. Whether you intend to or not, this is an elitist attitude when you apply it to others rather than be content with your own play style and leaving others to theirs. I wish you the best of luck in C6 life, I hope you have fun, but those that choose not to go there with you aren't lesser players or corps, they just have different goals or ambitions in Eve.
Without using all the fluffy language around setting your sights high and being all that you can be, explain to me, using facts, why C5/C6 life is superior? I can tell you that the the answer is no, you can't, without resorting to pure opinion, which everyone is entitled to. Just accept that we don't all share your opinion or goals, and that's ok, we aren't lesser beings for not doing so... Lol The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
112
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:03:00 -
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There is little reason to move to C6 space unless you are a farmer. Most of the players in C6 space know WH mechanics like the back of their hand and are expert scouts. After a while every fight Is predictable and all you see are capital ganks and arranged fights.
For me, the only people that can mix things up are CCP. Until they give a reason to move to and fight for C6 wormholes, I'm happy where I am. |
Receg
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
12
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:02:00 -
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I would just like to say good fight, thanks for bringing it! |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
134
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:16:00 -
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The basic issue with C6 is there are only so many C6s. Thus anyone with a C6 static and a large cap fleet can repeatably roll their static and seed your hole with caps. Then completely steam roll your POSes, and recover their fleet. The reason C6 space is so dead is that the "PVP hungry " C6 corps killed off everyone who POSed up instead of dying glorious against over whelming numbers, who kicked their ass in "unfair ways", or pissed them off. It's fun to curb stomp people, and kick over their sand castles, but don't expect them to keep coming back to the beach.
For me personally I'll never go above a C4 as I have the choice of joining a huge alliance or being curb stomped. If I wanted that I'd be in the CFC....
PS- C5 are better in that there are enough C5 that it's hard to seed, and recover a huge cap fleet. C5's with c1-3 static are even safer in that respect. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
231
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:37:00 -
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Marsan wrote:The basic issue with C6 is there are only so many C6s. Thus anyone with a C6 static and a large cap fleet can repeatably roll their static and seed your hole with caps. Then completely steam roll your POSes, and recover their fleet. The reason C6 space is so dead is that the "PVP hungry " C6 corps killed off everyone who POSed up instead of dying glorious against over whelming numbers, who kicked their ass in "unfair ways", or pissed them off. It's fun to curb stomp people, and kick over their sand castles, but don't expect them to keep coming back to the beach.
This.
And still they don't grasp this as being the issue.
C5 is where all the fun is at. |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
26
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:26:00 -
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Receg wrote:I would just like to say good fight, thanks for bringing it!
its really too bad that the dread pilot warped in at 100 km and decided he needed no loki support in a magnetar c6 with a revelation.
we all have our special kids lol
but good fight our bhaal pilot had fun. thanks for giving the guys some content |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:43:00 -
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With C6 space, you end up on the rollercoaster ride that alternates between barren space and Mexican standoffs coupled with arranged fights. A C5 lets you farm almost as much (the sites supposedly don't spawn quite as fast as they do in a C6) and meet a larger variety of neighbors as well.
And as far as lower class systems, remember W-space doesn't end when you reach Hisec. In fact, a C2 is rather amazing: you have two statics through which you can hunt, instead of just one. There are more than just Hisec statics in a C2 as well.
A C2 static is probably even better for hunting than living in one, since you can roll it and get a completely different situation with two new connections. So it would seem a much more ideal situation than C6/C6 would be C5/C2: capital escalation PvE at home while having more than just the same handful of groups opening up into you for capital-based PvP, and the occasional direct K-space connection for freighter-sized logistics, and all the WH space you can get via the C2 and its statics. A C5/C2 is much more a pinnacle than is a C6/C6.
But as others have said, don't assume that C1 is a stepping stone or a starting point, and that you progress numerically until you get to the pinnacle that is C6. Maybe that's what CCP intended with the progressively increasing system effect strengths, but each class has its own playstyles, benefits, and disadvantages. For example, a C5 or C6 involves more static-rolling to find activities, while a C2 involves putting up with K-space and its limitations to find activities. Note that CCP also didn't intend for anyone to live in W-space, so CCP's intentions are not usually reality and in fact are often far from it. |
Missy Bunnz
Team Pizza The Hole Next Door
2
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:35:00 -
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I'll throw my 2 cents in here.
We are ex-NoHo. We moved from our own corporation C5/C5 into Polaris, NoHo's C6/C6 Magnetar and life was different. Big fights, 30+ on each side, ability to harass people on TS and find enough bodies to take on nearly anything. This was a huge change from having to run 3-4 clients just to fulfil essential fleet roles.
We could pay much more attention to "efficiency and best", rather than "here and now".
For months, we fought this way. NoHo are a great entity and great at what they do. As a corp, we simply got bored. Most PVP was "chain collapsing", looking for something to fight. Whether that fight was arranged (very rare), vs a big entity (also fairly rare to hit another entity able to stand up a fleet) or a gank. The rarety of these engagements meant everyone wanted on them when they could. And that led to 30 people jumping a collapsing carrier. Or 30 people going to kill a few RR BS in a site. It was 90% outnumbered blobs catching people unaware. Not by choice, simply by mechanics of how this was organised.
We wanted the seat of our pants that we used to experience. The rush and thrill of the smaller gang. The 5v10 and having the 5 win.
We evaluated options and we moved. We packed our masses of capitals and all our pilots and materials and left Polaris. We moved into a C5/C2 static. We also did something that initially caused quite some debate. We intentionally made the decision that except for home defence, the armor t3/logistics doctrine would not be fielded by us. While we still deploy armor t3's, they are not backed by a fleet of guardians.
Now, we live a different life.
We see all types of ships in our fleets. People fly what they enjoy flying. We rarely worry about mass limits, even with a static that can only take 1b total. We rarely field more than 10. We rarely have people run away just when they see our scouts. We simply get many more fights. And we enjoy the fights we get much more. We no longer find, or kill, entire capital site running crews, so the 100b isk month kills are gone. But the numbers and fun is still there.
Our chain map is regularly 2-3 times the size of the largest chains we saw in NoHo. It is not uncommon for us to have 30-40 systems on our map. It is common for us to have entrances and exits all over Eve. Our pilots are out in cloaked ships, watching, looking, loitering. We practice baiting. We limit escalations, rarely dropping more pilots than an enemy has. If we know they have 6 online, we'll send 3 to gank their drakes and leave the other 3 at home, to encourage them to rescue their buddies.
WE prefer this. It doesn't suit everyone, some like the safety and anonymity that comes from being a cog in a big machine. Some like the spotlight of being the only cog in a small machine. As long as you are having fun, don't dis other people having their own fun. |
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