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Ajaa Saan
Saan Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:19:00 -
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There is something amiss since they patched today. My drones are gaining aggro under ten seconds of deployment in some instances.
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Sturmwolke
467
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:58:00 -
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The simplest solution is to never deploy light/med/hvy drones to attack targets > 10km. Only deploy them to targets within 10km radius of your ship. Your chances of saving a drone which had been targeted and heavily webbed by NPC frigates is almost 100% due to the closer distance - I personally prefer 5km radius.
Mission drone boats should use sentry drones exclusively and pack a flight (or two) of lights or med for the above anti-frig defence. Heavy drones are too slow for effective use in anything larger than a cruiser hull. Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
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Turk MacRumien
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:16:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
Ha! No. I use drones in a myrm at 30-40 kms all the time, and I don't lose them that often. lock targets, start shooting w/ turrets, deploy drones and send them off. It's not that easy to lose them. Occasionally rats will switch aggro in the midst of a fight, but most times they don't hit enough to kill my drones before I notice. I think the easiest way to cut down on dps heading towards your drones is just to prioritize small (frigs and destroyers) targets once you enter a room. Once you've done that, cruiser and bc rats can't hit mediums well enough to kill them before you notice.
Unless they're shooting missiles. God I hate seeing missiles ships as a drone boat
And for everyone talking about the aggressive stance, put your drones on passive so they don't fly around willy-nilly targeting everything. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:08:00 -
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op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted.
Sentries still work great, but small combats cant fullfill their role in half of the l4 missions, so the ai is great but the drones lose theire validity for pve. |
Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.27 09:11:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted.
Hm i don't really have any probs with light drones (my issues are with the slower meds/heavies)... I just recall the one that's being attacked and launch a new drone. Although when I wait untill the NPC frigates are close enough and orbiting me, if I launch my drones then, they usually get no aggro. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:06:00 -
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I wonder if all the people that support the crazy drone aggro would still if NPCs attacked turrets and launchers? You would have to stop firing till the aggro went away. This is pretty much what happens with drones. It's not a big deal if guns or missiles are your main DPS but when you're in a drone ship it blows. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:30:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted. Hm i don't really have any probs with light drones (my issues are with the slower meds/heavies)... I just recall the one that's being attacked and launch a new drone. Although when I wait untill the NPC frigates are close enough and orbiting me, if I launch my drones then, they usually get no aggro.
like i said i used mainly light to complement my raven. i had missions where i had no trouble at all but as example the elite frigates in blockade got my drones faster than i could say damn. And im not 100% sure it was only the elite frigs because i had seen another mission where 2 cruiser switched aggro and alphaed my small drones (i thought they should be pretty save but nope not at all). So i stopped using drones in missions altogether (excemption sentries in a mjd domi or mwd ishtar). |
Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:16:00 -
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Holy crow this AI is annoying. I actually came pretty darn close to being stuck warp-jammed by some L4 frigs the other night - had to scrounge for drones in wrecks and load them into my drone bay using a mobile depot. ...The main problem's hobgoblins. They die before you can recall them, and I'm losing a few of them per mission; you put them out to clean up a 6-10 frigs at the end of a mission and they'll end up popped if you don't micromanage them to death. This is supposed to be fun? Seriously? ...Once again here, the big losers are mission battleships using lights to scram frigs off (On top of the warp speed nerf). You're really killing drone use with this nonsense.
IIshira wrote:I wonder if all the people that support the crazy drone aggro would still if NPCs attacked turrets and launchers? You would have to stop firing till the aggro went away. This is pretty much what happens with drones. It's not a big deal if guns or missiles are your main DPS but when you're in a drone ship it blows.
This is a great point. I'll support drones being aggro'd and destroyed just as soon as you agree that NPCs should be able to target your highslot turrets and blow them up. ...What? That''s totally realistic, why are you against it?
This puts a notable dent in my bottom line, and I'm not happy. For god's sake, quit nerfing everything. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:25:00 -
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I've been doing alot of different anomalies and ded plexes lately... and for some reason, in some sites my heavy drones Never get aggro, while other sites they Always get aggro... (and it's always the same sites that give the same results)
So yeah, you just gotta learn which to avoid. Unfortunately most ded plexes are on the avoid-list =/ |
Tolum Vanmeer
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:23:00 -
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It's the elite frigates that are the problem. The moment they see drones, they jump on them one by one and they are very effective to take them down quickly.
Drones and drone ships will be killed slowly by CCP to solve their server load issues. |
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:23:00 -
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as someone who makes their isk off of running a loki with lights in c3 and c5 sites I giggle at this thread.
l2p |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.05 12:33:00 -
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Turk MacRumien wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
Ha! No. I use drones in a myrm at 30-40 kms all the time, and I don't lose them that often. lock targets, start shooting w/ turrets, deploy drones and send them off. It's not that easy to lose them. Occasionally rats will switch aggro in the midst of a fight, but most times they don't hit enough to kill my drones before I notice. I think the easiest way to cut down on dps heading towards your drones is just to prioritize small (frigs and destroyers) targets once you enter a room. Once you've done that, cruiser and bc rats can't hit mediums well enough to kill them before you notice. Unless they're shooting missiles. God I hate seeing missiles ships as a drone boat And for everyone talking about the aggressive stance, put your drones on passive so they don't fly around willy-nilly targeting everything.
this.
I run level 3 missions (not enough standing/SP to do L4s) but I do encounter elite frigs. All I do is to target them with my HMs as prio. After one salvo I send drones and it seems to work perfectly.
For level 4s I plan to stick with HMs in RHMLs Armageddon. Gonna see how it works out, but I guess it will be doable with missile/drone/armor skills I currently have (weird I know - was going for turrets but level 2 barricade taught me to avoid anything disruptable :P).
As for rockets - they hurt but again... You aggro frigs first, you aggro bigger ships first, and AI will switch aggro only on rare occasions when you reload and at the same time drone start to do crazy well. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.12.05 12:53:00 -
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Thufir Bezluden wrote:No fun training millions of SP for drones so they can be ripped to bits by bots using something closer to sleeper Ai and instantly agro them. Don't get me wrong, I like that they'll take some heat for being the ship raping sob's they are, but to have half my drones eaten in a level 3 within a minute when I have full agro is just wrong. Tone it down so drone skills won't just be for pvp.
How about removing the aggressive so you have to order the drones to attack a target. No orders, no attack. Must be a better way to ruin 'botters' day than screw it up for people actually playing.
You can switch your drones from Aggressive to Passive. |
Jung-Hwa Stenier-Tian
Fregata Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:26:00 -
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I have found drones to be utterly unusable, regardless of tactics or skills. Sentries still die en mass to battleships, and light drones just get alpha'd off the field before the client has loaded them. Completely worthless. |
Neor Deninard
Blackwater Coalition Forces Harkonnen Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 07:00:00 -
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Jung-Hwa Stenier-Tian wrote:I have found drones to be utterly unusable, regardless of tactics or skills. Sentries still die en mass to battleships, and light drones just get alpha'd off the field before the client has loaded them. Completely worthless.
If I loose 1 sentry every 2 months it's a lot, and if it happens it's usually cause I'm not paying enough attention.
Pull sentries in if they start taking too much damage. Train the bloody support skills boosting hp/shield/tracking etc... and learn to use them from 100km+ . Use a remote repper if you want.
Only gurista's and some sansha BS shoot so far.
Just because you can't figure out how to use something it means that it's broken. Same for sending a flight of lights into a group of 5+ frigates/cruisers; what in all reality are you expencting to happen? Maybe they should just code in a button 'I win' saves everyone the hassle of learning the game and training (support) skills. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:32:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:as someone who makes their isk off of running a loki with lights in c3 and c5 sites I giggle at this thread.
l2p
Anybody using drones for pve needs to l2p? Funny perspective... |
Cross C Ragweed
Uinta Logistics
5
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:03:00 -
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Well this thread is depressing ... as I decided to go after drone boats and want to do some missioning for awhile.
I just barely got a T1 Vexor put together (not skilled up enough to T2 goodies yet) and planning on working out of a 0.3 lowsec station on L2 missions.
I've only done one L2 mission with it so far (which it excelled at), where my previous Algos and Catalyst were getting their butts kicked.
I think I would eventually like to go back to FW/PvP, but would like to work up through some L3 possibly L4 missions for awhile.
Am I going to regret the high percent of my current sp into drones, as well as a ton more I was planning on? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
950
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:02:00 -
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Cross C Ragweed wrote:Well this thread is depressing ... as I decided to go after drone boats and want to do some missioning for awhile.
I just barely got a T1 Vexor put together (not skilled up enough to T2 goodies yet) and planning on working out of a 0.3 lowsec station on L2 missions.
I've only done one L2 mission with it so far (which it excelled at), where my previous Algos and Catalyst were getting their butts kicked.
I think I would eventually like to go back to FW/PvP, but would like to work up through some L3 possibly L4 missions for awhile.
Am I going to regret the high percent of my current sp into drones, as well as a ton more I was planning on? Nah just get into an Ishtar, train sentries and heavies. With Ishtars bonus to speed and tracking you'll be able to ignore light and medium drones altogether. Same as Dominix. |
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