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Atum
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Posted - 2006.02.20 03:00:00 -
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Ok, Oveur, Hellmar, and company have gone into a fairly good description of the incoming yarrsters, their wheels, the protein delicacies they eat, even their gladiator movie fetish. But that doesn't answer a curiousity itching I've been having the past few days... What's their cage made out of? How is air piped to them so they don't die of heat stroke? What keeps the movie screens powered? Are we talking a 2m raised floor with an entire subculture of gerbils underneath, or just a 1ft floor with one of Eris' dresses a mutant guinea pig made off with three years ago following the "EVE goes gold" party? Obviously, something keeps the place cool, and something keeps it powered. I'll bet something even provides power if the first power source dies. How about some details about all the nitty-gritty infrastructure that our new yarrsters will be calling home?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.20 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Atum Ok, Oveur, Hellmar, and company have gone into a fairly good description of the incoming yarrsters, their wheels, the protein delicacies they eat, even their gladiator movie fetish. But that doesn't answer a curiousity itching I've been having the past few days... What's their cage made out of? How is air piped to them so they don't die of heat stroke? What keeps the movie screens powered? Are we talking a 2m raised floor with an entire subculture of gerbils underneath, or just a 1ft floor with one of Eris' dresses a mutant guinea pig made off with three years ago following the "EVE goes gold" party? Obviously, something keeps the place cool, and something keeps it powered. I'll bet something even provides power if the first power source dies. How about some details about all the nitty-gritty infrastructure that our new yarrsters will be calling home?
Uh.
What?
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.02.20 04:40:00 -
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lol, he wants to know what the cooling system and power supply is like for the cluster. aka; air conditioning and power lines
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.02.20 04:42:00 -
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Wait a sec and I'll take a picture.
Ok, Cooling System
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Merv DeGriff
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Posted - 2006.02.20 04:47:00 -
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ROFL @ MOD's pic
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.02.20 04:57:00 -
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lol, Cortes' pic FTW
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 20/02/2006 05:09:24 Here's what I'd like to know...why does it seem that CPUs use less and less power, but have a higher and higher heat output? -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:07:00 -
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That's a good question, a cluster this big produces a lot of heat, and bladeservers are quite dense, so cooling this thing is probably gonna be extremely difficult... -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 20/02/2006 05:09:24 Here's what I'd like to know...why does it seem that CPUs use less and less power, but have a higher and higher heat output?
Probably has something to do with the transistors (correct me if I'm wrong on what they are called) being placed more tightly packed. They may feed off each others heat and somehow make more heat
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon They may feed off each others heat and somehow make more heat
Doesn't that violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics? -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.02.20 05:55:00 -
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I dunno, I never even knew there were laws for that stuff
I'm just going with stuff that pops into my head....
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.02.20 06:16:00 -
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More efficient exchange of the heat into the air, and maybe jsut more of that electrical energy being converted into thermal. Presumably semi-conductors have pretty high resistance, hence all the heat generation.
/me shrugs, my guess anyway. Anyway, the devs are from Iceland, I'm sure they are experts on stuff getting cooled. :) -------------- Director. Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates. |
JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.02.20 06:22:00 -
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Yea, with all that ice and whatnot >.>
Before you say it, I know iceland is covered in ice
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aggiedog
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Posted - 2006.02.20 07:11:00 -
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Well, computers are aproaching a barrier in computing. With each additional gain in CPU, the amount of heat it generates increases exponentially. This has to do with the materials which connects all of the transitors. Sadly, it is aproaching the limit and all of those electons are being squeezed along the circut. So most of those electrons jump out and emerge as heat. There is no real solution to this right now other than putting a radiator around the servers to cool it.
Although I heard intel is creating photronic processors which will greatly reduce the heat generated as it'll use photons instead of electrons to trasmit the data.
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Zakalawe
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Posted - 2006.02.20 10:32:00 -
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Isnt this stuff now in telehouse in docklands? if so it looks like this (via google);
http://photos.offline.org.uk/showgallery.php?galleryid=68
(raised floor, chilled water a/c and cool gasmasks for the argon fss)
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.02.20 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Here's what I'd like to know...why does it seem that CPUs use less and less power, but have a higher and higher heat output?
They don't use less power - they run at lower voltages, but the wattage goes up and up.
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Atum
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Posted - 2006.02.21 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon Before you say it, I know iceland is covered in ice
Actually, Iceland can be warm and temperate on account of both geothermal/volcanic activity and the North Atlantic ocean current (current is the same reason Britain is so foggy). Greenland, however, isn't very green :)
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.22 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: aggiedog Well, computers are aproaching a barrier in computing. With each additional gain in CPU, the amount of heat it generates increases exponentially. This has to do with the materials which connects all of the transitors. Sadly, it is aproaching the limit and all of those electons are being squeezed along the circut. So most of those electrons jump out and emerge as heat.
Ouch, you just took two concepts and crushed them together into a terrible mess.
You're confusing circuit density and thermal output with electron tunnelling.
Electron tunnelling is the barrier that will eventually keep processors from having circuits any closer together, because the electrons will be able to tunnel, or "jump", from one circuit to another.
The heat comes from the friction of the electrons being pushed down those circuits. If Teles666 is correct (which I assume he is), then the reason why the heat output is increasing exponentially is that there are more and more and more electrons being pushed through those circuits, increasing that friction. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Atum
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Posted - 2006.02.22 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
You're confusing circuit density and thermal output with electron tunnelling.
Electron tunnelling is the barrier that will eventually keep processors from having circuits any closer together, because the electrons will be able to tunnel, or "jump", from one circuit to another.
The heat comes from the friction of the electrons being pushed down those circuits. If Teles666 is correct (which I assume he is), then the reason why the heat output is increasing exponentially is that there are more and more and more electrons being pushed through those circuits, increasing that friction.
Aye... that's the physics... but mind you, friction isn't increasing (it's constant), it's just the number of electrons going through the circuit that increases. But still, where's the dev post about this? We've got the yarrsters settled in, now let's hear about their glam 5-star hotel!
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Gantry Koh
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Posted - 2006.02.22 23:34:00 -
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The company I work for is a major partner with AMD adn Intel trying to solve the heat problem given off by electron friction. We manufacturing capital equipment for semiconductor processing (metal plating and cleaning) A big part of the heat generation occurs in the semiconductor itself, thus part of the reason for improved metal platings.
Although I suppose the original question was about how CCP is cooling the thing.
1,000,000,000 popcicles?
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Atum
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Posted - 2006.02.23 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gantry Koh Although I suppose the original question was about how CCP is cooling the thing.
1,000,000,000 popcicles?
Yes... that's the question. How does CCP keep the yarrsters from getting heat stroke? I doubt there are 1E+09 popsicles involved, because that would mean a whole lot of kids, and kids give off even more hot air than yarrsters.
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