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Tragot Gomndor
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:15:00 -
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*pokes The Mittani*
OMG... he is REAL... he IS real... HE is real... 0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Dracnys
48
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:21:00 -
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The Laffer curve can be applied here and could be a good visualization of the "where to set taxes to maximize revenue" problem.
note that t* is NOT necessarily 50% that's just how the graph is drawn in this example.
Laffer Curve |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:23:00 -
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Cameron Zero wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how? The who would be players who were unhappy with said "stupid high taxes" and the how would be by declaring war and tearing down said POCOs.
It's rather idiotic to suggest wardec'ing goons et al by anyone other than another null sec alliance, so do everyone the favor of not trying to support your argument with dumb comments. This was clearly another move by CCP to reinforce the "bigger is better" gameplan for high sec. I'll just move my operations elsewhere when a large group of nullbears move into town; no sweat for me. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:25:00 -
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Dracnys wrote:The Laffer curve can be applied here and could be a good visualization of the "where to set taxes to maximize revenue" problem. note that t* is NOT necessarily 50% that's just how the graph is drawn in this example. Laffer Curve
Of course that ignores the OTHER reason for high tax.
On resource planets too many non-corp PI installations will drain your planet quickly. A high tax will get non corp players to leave a planet meaning more resources for your corpies.
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Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:34:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how? The who would be players who were unhappy with said "stupid high taxes" and the how would be by declaring war and tearing down said POCOs. It's rather idiotic to suggest wardec'ing goons et al by anyone other than another null sec alliance, so do everyone the favor of not trying to support your argument with dumb comments.
Not necessarily. Our guys get murder ****** by hi-sec gank groups all the freaking time. You're right in that they couldn't go toe-to-toe in a sov fight, but we're not talking about sov fights here. We're talking about sneaking POCO's with like a dozen dudes in battleships, a fleet which is quite doable. EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
138
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:35:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how? The who would be players who were unhappy with said "stupid high taxes" and the how would be by declaring war and tearing down said POCOs. It's rather idiotic to suggest wardec'ing goons et al by anyone other than another null sec alliance, so do everyone the favor of not trying to support your argument with dumb comments. This was clearly another move by CCP to reinforce the "bigger is better" gameplan for high sec. I'll just move my operations elsewhere when a large group of nullbears move into town; no sweat for me.
http://imgur.com/SSY27IQ
I'm pretty sure anyone with the will and resources could execute a guerrilla war against Goon POCOs. It's not like their main force is going to abandon null to stop structure bashes all day every day - there's no way they would care that much.
The thing about High-seccers is that there are only two notches on the scale:
Either it's essentially a handout and relatively free, both financially and in terms of effort, or it's basically impossible and "idiotic" to even consider. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1773
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:43:00 -
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Yeah, the rvb deal and generous rates show just how tenuous the goon poco play is, especially with commitments elsewhere in nullsec right now. There absolutely is opportunity for enterprising groups to make a play for key pocos areas. That doesn't mean they won't come back periodically and reassert control, but that just means you wait them out and start again when theyre committed elsewhere.
I'd even guess that some people are well aware of this, and are already planning accordingly, leaving just the perpetually frightened video game player to whine on the forum about his self-imposed spaceship impotence. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:44:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote: As this appears to be win-win-win for everyone involved, I'm still trying to wrap my head around anyone complaining about it. Because Goons. There is a subset of the playerbase who are more or less incapable of discerning "Other people who are playing a game in a manner that conflicts with the way I am playing" from "Great Satan". Since Goons = Great Satan, anything they do is bad, and oppresses non-Goons. Quote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how?
If people are *that* anti-Goon, why don't they use RvB POCOs then - or some other POCOs? Sheesh
RvB and Goons just came to an agreement about high-sec POCOs - we aren't sharing income or something like that. If you use our POCOs, all your taxes will go to RvB (and a bit to the NPC corp too, sorry guys we can't get rid of that entirely yet!).
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
138
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote: As this appears to be win-win-win for everyone involved, I'm still trying to wrap my head around anyone complaining about it. Because Goons. There is a subset of the playerbase who are more or less incapable of discerning "Other people who are playing a game in a manner that conflicts with the way I am playing" from "Great Satan". Since Goons = Great Satan, anything they do is bad, and oppresses non-Goons. Quote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how? If people are *that* anti-Goon, why don't they use RvB POCOs then - or some other POCOs? Sheesh RvB and Goons just came to an agreement about high-sec POCOs - we aren't sharing income or something like that. If you use our POCOs, all your taxes will go to RvB (and a bit to the NPC corp too, sorry guys we can't get rid of that entirely yet!).
That doesn't matter. You're trying to be rational in dealing with irrational hatred - it doesn't really work. Goons are evil. RvB are Goon collaborators, and may as well be Goons themselves. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9506
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:50:00 -
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a dread in every hangar, a monocle on every avatar
blowin' money fast~ Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
959
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:a dread in every hangar, a monocle on every avatar
blowin' money fast~
Don't forget the cybernetic arms. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
237
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:56:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:(Now, people setting stupid high taxes, that's a valid complaint, of course.) Define "valid complaint". Who would address this complaint, and how? The who would be players who were unhappy with said "stupid high taxes" and the how would be by declaring war and tearing down said POCOs. It's rather idiotic to suggest wardec'ing goons et al by anyone other than another null sec alliance, so do everyone the favor of not trying to support your argument with dumb comments. This was clearly another move by CCP to reinforce the "bigger is better" gameplan for high sec. I'll just move my operations elsewhere when a large group of nullbears move into town; no sweat for me.
And me without my tinfoil hat! "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:04:00 -
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Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.
Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though.
<3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. |
Rita Riddick
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:19:00 -
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J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.
Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table.
Congratulations.
~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of Goons~ |
J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:27:00 -
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Rita Riddick wrote:J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.
Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table. Congratulations.
Your mistake is in thinking that RvB is interested in being Goons' "equals". |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5203
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:32:00 -
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J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you. Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. no, you're now a pet don't you see
rebel There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
139
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:32:00 -
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Rita Riddick wrote:J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.
Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table. Congratulations.
^Prime example of the irrational hatred thing. Even goes so far as to co-opt another player organization into his Us Vs Goons persecution fantasy. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5203
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:36:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you. Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table. Congratulations. ^Prime example of the irrational hatred thing. Even goes so far as to co-opt another player organization into his Us Vs Goons persecution fantasy. i'm sure both Red AND Blue are profiting nicely from the cooperation. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1362
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:36:00 -
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Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5205
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:37:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace." n3, for example, exists to destroy the cfc
Note the close cooperation with entities like Test Alliance Please Ignore and Tribal Band who share similar goals. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Rita Riddick
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:46:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace." God, I hope I have a good view when your worlds collide and all your fancy little dreams come crashing down.
That my friend, will be a good day...
~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of Goons~ |
Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Surprisingly, people who may have great differences can still work together in mutually beneficial arrangements. See exotic real life examples such as "professional relationships" and "being an adult in the workplace." n3, for example, exists to destroy the cfc Note the close cooperation with entities like Test Alliance Please Ignore and Tribal Band who share similar goals.
I got one, ready for this?
Crap attracts flies, Honey attracts RvBees.
I'll be here all week. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1773
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:48:00 -
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Xaerael Endiel wrote:I got one, ready for this?
Crap attracts flies, Honey attracts RvBees.
I'll be here all week.
Don't quit your day job...unless your day job is making terrible jokes on internet spaceships forums
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1575
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:I got one, ready for this?
Crap attracts flies, Honey attracts RvBees.
I'll be here all week. Don't quit your day job...unless your day job is making terrible jokes on internet spaceships forums
According to various conspiracy theorists, not only do the Goons actually have about a hundred people online at any given time doing this (including me), they also assassinated JFK. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1773
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:According to various conspiracy theorists, not only do the Goons actually have about a hundred people online at any given time doing this (including me), they also assassinated JFK.
We was trying to get tech nerfed. He had to go.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
339
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:05:00 -
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Rita Riddick wrote:J'mee Leggs wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:RvB will see soon enough how foolish it is to try to eat at their table.
You will never be their equals and will feed only on the scraps that they throw down to you.
Nah. We're going to be fine. Thanks for your concern though. <3 Goons. Good luck with your guys' side of the CO liberation op. There are always those that willingly line up to sell out their counterparts hoping for a better seat at that table. Congratulations.
No we don't. We roll a 8 sided dice. On the 8 sided dice are "armageddon". "cloak". "taranis". "write mynnna a whingy mail". "sperg on alliance mail", "take all their sigs when they are sleeping", "logoffski or dockup" and "I'm a renter I can't count past 7 anyway".
In any case if you didn't notice, RvB is a combat organisation, and this is plainly not a rental agreement, this is plainly a negotiated profit sharing agreement. CFC gets a permanent highsec force located near the assets, and RvB gets a numbers boost if needed to deal with a large scale threat, as well as halving the potential large scale threats, and due to the way that null is currently aligned a large scale threat, would almost certainly free up the CFC to deploy to counter.
ie the whole point to EVE is exactly what you see there. People arranging the strategic game to profit. That you are bitter about it is hilarious.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1575
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:21:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:According to various conspiracy theorists, not only do the Goons actually have about a hundred people online at any given time doing this (including me), they also assassinated JFK. He was trying to get tech nerfed. He had to go.
Um... The Goons are largely credited with heavy advocation for the nerfing of tech themselves, you know that right?
Also, I can't believe no one jumped on me for the JFK reference... it was both offensive and topical, given that Friday is the 50th anniversary of his death. Come on ya'll. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5205
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Posted - 2013.11.21 02:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:According to various conspiracy theorists, not only do the Goons actually have about a hundred people online at any given time doing this (including me), they also assassinated JFK. He was trying to get tech nerfed. He had to go. Um... The Goons are largely credited with heavy advocation for the nerfing of tech themselves, you know that right? Also, I can't believe no one jumped on me for the JFK reference... it was both offensive and topical, given that Friday is the 50th anniversary of his death. Come on ya'll. he was making a the mittani off the csm reference There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
26
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:34:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible. Lets do some simply Math.
They do it because even if used with 100% tax it would take years for the POCO to pay for itself, highsec PI being crappy as it is, and people are just placing POCOs because its cool?
Literally, i've seen many arguements today about two corps fighting over a POCO, one saying that he did more damage to the interbus POCO, while the other said he saw it first or something. Really? I'll make more profit doing PI off a planet another corp planted a POCO on than planting my own POCO and setting tax to 0% for myself. |
Rita Riddick
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:36:00 -
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How long would you guess that the average honeymoon lasts?
I predict a very ugly divorce. Goons have that whole, "Scorched Earth" thing going.
~The problem with Goonswarm, is that it's full of Goons~ |
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