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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
638
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:01:00 -
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Torigoma wrote: Here is a opportunity to cash in on a cash cow and very seem to very realize. It Just blows my mind really.
Your still not getting it, it's not about the isk. Forcing you to change your play style or complain about changing your play style is the desired goal.
Torigoma wrote: Not crying, like I said, If I (and everyone else) want to do Factory worlds, I'm just going to go to Low sec or WH
Objective accomplished. |
Vena Saris
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:03:00 -
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We're only charging 5% geez. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5497
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:08:00 -
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any more of this whining and i will be forced to spin the wheel of misfortune "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:09:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Torigoma wrote: No, there's the thing; by setting LOW taxes, you get -Cheap PI for you and your Friends.
Which is useless if it's equally cheap for my competitors. Torigoma wrote: -Support from the Community
Which community? And what support? Torigoma wrote: -Much more Isk from Taxes than Market manipulation
Hardly, with low tax settings and no market gains it'll take forever just to recover the cost of the PoCo. Torigoma wrote: -Just as may Wardecs from those trying to take over a profitable system.
Which in most cases is calculated as part of the intended gain. 1: This would be true, if you where the Only people actually the Market. You may be "lowering" the competition, but in that case all you are doing is weeding out the Kittens and leaving the Lions.
2: As in protection, If a I've low taxes on a Planet, you better believe I'm protecting it. I've just as much invested there as you.
3: Again, look at the numbers. even at Low taxes, It only take about 2-3 days to reimburse a Office, after that, it's PURE PROFIT with no work.
4: Again, look above. If one system have low taxes, making more from Taxes than the High tax system, who do you think is going to be a bigger target? More so when there are more willing to defend the System?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
116
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:11:00 -
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I don't get it. If you don't like their tax rate, just kill their POCO and put up your own. Problem solved.
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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:13:00 -
[36] - Quote
Vena Saris wrote:We're only charging 5% geez. lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5497
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:15:00 -
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Torigoma wrote: 1: This would be true, if you where the Only people actually the Market. You may be "lowering" the competition, but in that case all you are doing is weeding out the Kittens and leaving the Lions.
2: As in protection, If a I've low taxes on a Planet, you better believe I'm protecting it. I've just as much invested there as you.
3: Again, look at the numbers. even at Low taxes, It only take about 2-3 days to reimburse a Office, after that, it's PURE PROFIT with no work.
4: Again, look above. If one system have low taxes, making more from Taxes than the High tax system, who do you think is going to be a bigger target? More so when there are more willing to defend the System?
highsec lions
now i've heard everything "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 -
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Something must be broken when I do PI I only get a 1% tax rate on our pocos |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5180
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I don't get it. If you don't like their tax rate, just kill their POCO and put up your own. Problem solved.
How much is it per week to wardec us now? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6256
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:17:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Vena Saris wrote:We're only charging 5% geez. lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec. You showed us. We just do things, we don't really think about it at all. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Torigoma wrote: 1: This would be true, if you where the Only people actually the Market. You may be "lowering" the competition, but in that case all you are doing is weeding out the Kittens and leaving the Lions.
2: As in protection, If a I've low taxes on a Planet, you better believe I'm protecting it. I've just as much invested there as you.
3: Again, look at the numbers. even at Low taxes, It only take about 2-3 days to reimburse a Office, after that, it's PURE PROFIT with no work.
4: Again, look above. If one system have low taxes, making more from Taxes than the High tax system, who do you think is going to be a bigger target? More so when there are more willing to defend the System?
highsec lions now i've heard everything ROFL, good one. Na, I'm speaking of the bigger alliances that are grabbing all the Offices in High Sec. |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Torigoma wrote:Vena Saris wrote:We're only charging 5% geez. lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec. You showed us. We just do things, we don't really think about it at all. Lol, She made a comment about something, I gave my rational behind what I said. If you took that the wrong way, that's your problem bud. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1556
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:20:00 -
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If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.
Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1556
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:31:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.
Well, I can answer that right now.
Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.
There is no reason not to.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
116
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:32:00 -
[46] - Quote
Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.
They're not. You just lack a nuanced understanding of the game that would allow you to see that. |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.
"copping". I'm sure they're coping just fine. |
Na Und
Galactronics
103
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:34:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:That PI..."You didn't build that".
"If you like your CO, you can keep it." |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:36:00 -
[49] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity. Well, I can answer that right now. Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it. There is no reason not to.
Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is. |
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:37:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who would have thought that people might do things in a video game for *gasp* FUN?
I'm not hating on you btw, the developers for not realizing how many POCOs would be a grief as much as an economic opportunity.
It's like that community event where everyone carebaear got slaughtered. How delusional were they to think that wasnt clearly goign to happen? |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1557
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:38:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity. Well, I can answer that right now. Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it. There is no reason not to. Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.
Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.
Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.
And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity. Well, I can answer that right now. Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it. There is no reason not to. Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is. Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in. Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me. And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down. Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.
CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
227
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:44:00 -
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You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right? |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.
Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.
And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.
There's the thing, like I said, the Market Manipulation is not going to work, not how people think for several reasons.
1: PI Mostly comes from Low/Null/WH ANYWAY, High Sec is going to have little effect on the market as a whole. 2: By Cutting out the "Kittens" you leave nothing but Lions to contend with. If the market becomes far more difficult to control in any one's favor when all the contenders are big wigs. 3: By having high Taxes, you are encouraging people to use anything BUT yours. meaning you are loosing out for more work. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4852
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:46:00 -
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Quote:Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.
I suppose it's fortunate then that some of the larger players are offering very reasonable rates in very convenient locations.
Perhaps you gave up PI a bit too soon. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:46:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right?
Edit: if you want to find us, we're in Josameto, Liekuri, Poinen, Otela and a few other systems all conveniently located within a few jumps of jita RvB taxes I have no problem with (though like I've said before, a PI License would be a nice option), Its the 70-80% ones that get me. |
Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
1004
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:48:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this?
Well, you know... "scare tactics" are sometimes good "manipulation" in Jita... keep an eye on things for a few weeks... either way you'll have your answer.
Yup, yup, yup.... folks shoulda stockpiled ahead of time... nothing like that "bunker mentality" to get through the hard times.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1557
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:48:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.
Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.
And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.
There's the thing, like I said, the Market Manipulation is not going to work, not how people think for several reasons. 1: PI Mostly comes from Low/Null/WH ANYWAY, High Sec is going to have little effect on the market as a whole. 2: By Cutting out the "Kittens" you leave nothing but Lions to contend with. If the market becomes far more difficult to control in any one's favor when all the contenders are big wigs. 3: By having high Taxes, you are encouraging people to use anything BUT yours. meaning you are loosing out for more work.
1. Yes, it does. But most of the factory planets that people use are in highsec.
2. The "Lions", as you call them, are unofficially working together anyway. When you have a few large entities who have diplomatic channels to deal with, setting up market control is vastly easier than if you have innumerable small entities.
3. Yes, which as I explained before, is a good thing if you are trying to funnel people toward a specific objective. Which is twofold in this case. Either get them to wardec you and attack your poco, in which case you get fights, or to funnel them to your specific choice and establish control over them as a result.
Either way, we win. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
390
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:49:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Afraid not. The tax rate applies across the board, regardless of standing.
The implication was that you would try to scam me for a cool half billion on the promise of lower tax rates. If you can't trust a goon to scam you, what's this world coming to? Fighting is Magic |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
710
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:53:00 -
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You know why POCO's don't matter.
High sec PI makes jack poop. Its not worth the clicks. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
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