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Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:07:00 -
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Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec. |
Brock Nelson
611
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:20:00 -
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Ok Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
JamDunc
Team JK
157
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Posted - 2013.11.20 03:01:00 -
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They are spreading out slowly.
The most disappointing and at the time most predictable thing is that there wont really be any real fighting over the POCOs. Most of the big alliances have come to an agreement to share the wealth rather than waste time flighting each other.
We will see some small groups trying to take some of the more out of the way POCOs but all the really valuable ones will be in the hands of the big alliances within a few weeks.
There is nothing wrong with that. Any Eve player could have told you that the moment they were announced.
My assumption is that it was a deal done by CCP to compensate the 0.0 alliances for the loss of the really valuable Moon goo.
the bit I can't wait for is the next Burn Jita, or Ice interdiction. You know that the tax rates will hit 100% while thats going down. Then it will be great fun watching the market lose a massive % of its PI production overnight. If I were you, I would keep a month or twos worth of fuel in the bank at all times. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
59
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Posted - 2013.11.20 03:04:00 -
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I don't think too many big null sec alliances would waste time to defend a hi-sec poco. I could see big hi-sec alliances doing that. Anyways we've popped 9 custom offices and no one has put up a poco yet. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
705
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:37:00 -
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Kirkwood Ross wrote:Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec.
Come to The Forge & parts of Lonetrek bordering Jita. Hundreds have gone up in this area. RvB alone took 90 or so down yesterday & this morning. Mangala Undocked |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
399
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:12:00 -
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JamDunc wrote: The most disappointing and at the time most predictable thing is that there wont really be any real fighting over the POCOs. Most of the big alliances have come to an agreement to share the wealth rather than waste time flighting each other.
If the big alliances get theirs its not like it'll stay that way forever. Taking down POCOs is easy and fairly low risk. You just need to not be in a tiny corp.
Quote:We will see some small groups trying to take some of the more out of the way POCOs but all the really valuable ones will be in the hands of the big alliances within a few weeks.
You just need 6 POCOs on small radius factory planets to get all the value they need.
Quote:My assumption is that it was a deal done by CCP to compensate the 0.0 alliances for the loss of the really valuable Moon goo.
I wouldn't invoke conspiracy with the notion of a "deal" here, but CCP may have done this to compensate large groups. However holding moons is way easier than holding POCOs, and smaller groups will be on much more even ground vs larger ones. Fighting is Magic |
Rashino Zea
Red Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:16:00 -
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According to eve-kill, there has been ~1400 high sec COs destroyed so far. Assuming there's ~10k high sec planets, we're well on our way.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2260
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:41:00 -
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Dumb = Setting tax rate higher than Interbus tax rate. That only encourages people to stop or move.
*cough* RVB-R *cough* [wardec-ing isn't an option either]
What little PI I was doing, I've just abandoned. |
Nolen Cadmar
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
26
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:22:00 -
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Kirkwood Ross wrote:Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec.
Are you aware of the EHP that a Customs Office has? It takes a while to kill them.
And ss I've said on quite a few threads now...Give the new features a while to get integrated. When a new iPhone, or Corvette, or whatever is released and for sale to the public, it takes a while for everyone before you start seeing them around. Be patient. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379 |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
60
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:32:00 -
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Nolen Cadmar wrote:Kirkwood Ross wrote:Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec. Are you aware of the EHP that a Customs Office has? It takes a while to kill them. And ss I've said on quite a few threads now...Give the new features a while to get integrated. When a new iPhone, or Corvette, or whatever is released and for sale to the public, it takes a while for everyone before you start seeing them around. Be patient.
14.5m ehp and it takes my small squad about 38 minutes to kill one. God bless lasers and drones. |
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Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:50:00 -
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Kirkwood Ross wrote:Nolen Cadmar wrote:Are you aware of the EHP that a Customs Office has? It takes a while to kill them. 14.5m ehp and it takes my small squad about 38 minutes to kill one. God bless lasers and drones.
We were taking them down in about five minutes yesterday.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Dumb = Setting tax rate higher than Interbus tax rate. That only encourages people to stop or move.
*cough* RVB-R *cough* [wardec-ing isn't an option either]
What little PI I was doing, I've just abandoned.
If you train the new PI tax skill to 5, the 5% npc tax plus the RvB tax is equal to the old interbus tax. In fact, since CCP adjusted the valuation, you will pay *less*.
You are welcome |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
725
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Dumb = Setting tax rate higher than Interbus tax rate. That only encourages people to stop or move.
*cough* RVB-R *cough* [wardec-ing isn't an option either]
What little PI I was doing, I've just abandoned.
Our neutral rate is 5%. Then add the default 10% NPC rate and its 15%, 2% lower than current IBCO tax of 17%. Obviously trained Customs Code Expertise shift that down to 5% and you pay a grand total of 10%
Unless I derped on one of my POCOs somewhere - and I may have as I have to configure each one as I go. Ive done like 60 of them at this point, mistakes may be made. Mangala Undocked |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2263
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:32:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Unless I derped on one of my POCOs somewhere - and I may have as I have to configure each one as I go. Ive done like 60 of them at this point, mistakes may be made. I'll go back and check again when I get online.
Thanks for looking at it. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1919
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:47:00 -
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Nolen Cadmar wrote:Kirkwood Ross wrote:Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec. Are you aware of the EHP that a Customs Office has? It takes a while to kill them. With the state of power projection (or rather lack thereof) in highsec, just post scouts in adjacent systems and bugger off when you see an enemy fleet approaching. If you know what you're doing you can take down a POCO with zero risk. Reinforce a couple, then send your fleet to kill the one they don't defend. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
138
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:55:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Nolen Cadmar wrote:Kirkwood Ross wrote:Not really that exciting though. I don't see a lot of player owned custom offices in hi-sec. Are you aware of the EHP that a Customs Office has? It takes a while to kill them. With the state of power projection (or rather lack thereof) in highsec, just post scouts in adjacent systems and bugger off when you see an enemy fleet approaching. If you know what you're doing you can take down a POCO with zero risk. Reinforce a couple, then send your fleet to kill the one they don't defend.
No, no, that would never work. I'm sure Goons would be perfectly willing to drop everything and rush a large force to high sec to cover all of their POCOs on a daily basis.
The most powerful tool in Goon's arsenal, at least with respect to the "War on Highsec", is the learned helplessness of highsec players. |
Jan Irvam
Amarrian Merchant Solutions Creep Squad
0
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:05:00 -
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Do people even bother doing PI in high sec anyway? |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
76
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:32:00 -
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Jan Irvam wrote:Do people even bother doing PI in high sec anyway?
plenty of people buy cheap p0-p1 and make it into more valuable **** to sell for profits. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1761
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:29:00 -
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The thing is though, high sec pocos don't really make that much isk. When you look at how much it would take to wardec someone, kill their poco, put up and upgrade your own. All so you can get a fraction of some tiny amount of PI from players with thousands of planets to choose from?
They'll barely be worth the time they take to shoot. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
332
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:22:00 -
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JamDunc wrote:They are spreading out slowly.
almost 2,000 InterBus custom offices have been destroyed since Rubicon was released, with 1,000 in the first 12 hours. That's almost 18% of the highsec customs offices (there is around 9,500 planets in highsec) so I really wouldn't call that slow. |
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
332
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:34:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Dumb = Setting tax rate higher than Interbus tax rate. That only encourages people to stop or move.
*cough* RVB-R *cough* [wardec-ing isn't an option either]
What little PI I was doing, I've just abandoned. Our neutral rate is 5%. Then add the default 10% NPC rate and its 15%, 2% lower than current IBCO tax of 17%. Obviously trained Customs Code Expertise shift that down to 5% and you pay a grand total of 10% Unless I derped on one of my POCOs somewhere - and I may have as I have to configure each one as I go. Ive done like 60 of them at this point, mistakes may be made.
Yes the new NPC tax rate is 17% which before rubicon was 10%. You're not going to find many people willing to pay 15% tax considering most of the materials people export in highsec are low in P1's many of which were hardly profitable at 10%. Yes CCP decreased the PI values that are taxed but this is irrelevant since the market prices will decrease and adjust to this value. Add to the fact that if you're only extracting low end PI goods (because highsec planets high end P0 replenish rates are awful) the decreased tax is mostly useless since tax rates are based on tiers, not individual PI materials.
Also the training time for Customs Code Expertise to level V is around 11 - 13 days training so most will only go to level V (around 3.5 days). The only people who would train it to level V are people running factory planets, and guess what? They either have their own POCO's or do it in low/null/wh. |
THX-1138 4EB
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:17:00 -
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My .02
I was doing PI in a low traffic high-sec system and a corp moved in and set up their own POCO, jacked up the tax rate to make it unprofitable - so I'm done with PI because sitting there and waiting for stuff to launch is a waste of time. It sucks for me because I like to play solo and something that I've enjoyed doing is now off the table. No tears to shed, just reality and now I'll go do something else.
Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.-á |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
381
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Posted - 2013.11.22 02:03:00 -
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THX-1138 4EB wrote:My .02
I was doing PI in a low traffic high-sec system and a corp moved in and set up their own POCO, jacked up the tax rate to make it unprofitable - so I'm done with PI because sitting there and waiting for stuff to launch is a waste of time. It sucks for me because I like to play solo and something that I've enjoyed doing is now off the table. No tears to shed, just reality and now I'll go do something else.
*Cough* Low Sec Poco *Cough* Crane |
Randey Miromme
My Wormhole Hurts
3
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:17:00 -
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High sec POCO's are not worth much. Factory planets are really the only thing that might make a little isk. Its a waste of time to kill them, to set one up and to defend it.
What needs to happen is some sort of event that creates an increase in product levels on high sec planets. You are not going to get a group to fight over resources unless there are actual resources to fight over.
Are you going to buy the concert t-shirt and not go to the concert?
Randey 07 |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1541
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:59:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Dumb = Setting tax rate higher than Interbus tax rate. That only encourages people to stop or move.
*cough* RVB-R *cough* [wardec-ing isn't an option either]
What little PI I was doing, I've just abandoned.
Same here, mostly... I have a number of low sec planets where the POCO owners understand what it means to do business, but I've basically given up on all high sec planets. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2275
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:55:00 -
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Since everyone is still quoting me...
It seems the only way one can return to 10% tax offered by CONCORD offices is by training the new skill to level 5 and using 15% base POCOs.
The blame lies with CCP, not those capitalizing on hisec POCOs, because of the built-in hisec tax. Apologies for singling-out RVB-R.
Regardless, this does not change anything for me, and I will not be returning to doing PI. |
THX-1138 4EB
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:37:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:THX-1138 4EB wrote:My .02
I was doing PI in a low traffic high-sec system and a corp moved in and set up their own POCO, jacked up the tax rate to make it unprofitable - so I'm done with PI because sitting there and waiting for stuff to launch is a waste of time. It sucks for me because I like to play solo and something that I've enjoyed doing is now off the table. No tears to shed, just reality and now I'll go do something else. *Cough* Low Sec Poco *Cough* Crane
Yup - fitting a cloaky frigate to scout new places. Already have the Crane. Many thanks for the advice.
Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.-á |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
79
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:47:00 -
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Funnier still are idiots asking 150 millions or the like to reduce taxes on the POCO they own.
Someday some of those fella will understand the advantages of having lot's of clients with slimmer margins that no clients at all. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
Nomeaning
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.28 09:14:00 -
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Closed all PI in high sec, the new POCO owners had tax rate on 20%
Low-sec here I come! |
Nitron Altec
Corpuce
0
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:47:00 -
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I want to know what is the purpose of the new skill book : Custom Code Expertize. So far, all high sec Interbus Custom Office I have visit still charge 17% even if I have that skill at level IV. Only POCO now owned by player show a different percentage. Explanations anyone? Bug? |
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