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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:29:00 -
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// SIC - PA1 //
Good evening.
Recent events have yielded a situation, one which requires no small degree of scientific and problem solving expertise. Recent action against non-CONCORD signatory research facilities have allowed us to get a hold of sensitive material, which is currently being kept in a protected location, and will be part of an ongoing project.
It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
We would like appeal for capsuleers, especially those of a scientific background or expertise to contact us at the next opportunity, and join in with this project. The following caveats apply: being of sound conduct and/or of trustworthy reputation, and/or not being aligned nor pre-disposed to share privileged information with the following groups or persons:
- Sansha's Nation - Blood Raider Covenant (We have no stance on those simply of the Sani Sabik religious persuasion) - Equilibrium of Mankind - Factional terrorist or proscribed groups, inc. but not ltd. to Bloody Hands of Matar, Templis Dragonaurs.
It should be noted, that until such time as the project is concluded or terminated, information will not be shared with any external entity without group approval, this includes CONCORD, it's signatories or independent groups inc. but not ltd. to: SOE, SOCT or Mordu's Legion. Results of the project are likely to be made fully public however, along with certain progress reports and updates.
This is not an open invitation, anyone likely to be a liability to security or internal cohesion will not be informed that they will not have project access at this time. However criteria will be as flexible as possible to ensure wider participation. In short, if in doubt, ask. Special consideration will be made for exceptional circumstances.
Decision making will be group based. SYNE will not be the overall command of the project, though we will fill administrative roles if required. Participants will be expected to treat colleagues with respect and toleration. Any resources will remain the property of their original owners unless they deem otherwise.
At this point, we will only deal with individual capsuleers on a case by case basis. For the time being, corporations, alliances and groups will not be considered, though we will likely open access at a later time. Names will be kept confidentially and known only to the SYNE directorate and fellow project members.
We hope to hear from you soon.
N'maro Makari Executive Officer/Chief Diplomat SYNE/CEIM
// SIC - PA1 // N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5474
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:30:00 -
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I had been waiting for further developments before making an announcement on behalf of PRIAN, but this forces my hand. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:33:00 -
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The items in question are not yours, they are stolen.
N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups.
You might find there to be consequences for these actions.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
211
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:The items in question are not yours, they are stolen. N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups. You might find there to be consequences for these actions.
True in a way I suppose. Take it as you will but it's not our objective for this project to be a pirate hunt. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
368
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:15:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:The items in question are not yours, they are stolen. N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups. You might find there to be consequences for these actions. True in a way I suppose. Take it as you will but it's not our objective for this project to be a pirate hunt.
No, it's simply a pirate facility hunt.
How you can draw a difference between the two and keep a serious face is beyond me. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
51
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:The items in question are not yours, they are stolen. N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups. You might find there to be consequences for these actions. True in a way I suppose. Take it as you will but it's not our objective for this project to be a pirate hunt. No, it's simply a pirate facility hunt. How you can draw a difference between the two and keep a serious face is beyond me. If someone has what you want, take it from them. Pretty much the rule of thumb for any side in any conflict. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
211
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:34:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:The items in question are not yours, they are stolen. N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups. You might find there to be consequences for these actions. True in a way I suppose. Take it as you will but it's not our objective for this project to be a pirate hunt. No, it's simply a pirate facility hunt. How you can draw a difference between the two and keep a serious face is beyond me.
Noted.
Moving along, I'd like to add that those with limited scientific experience should still contact us, the project will likely have additional tasks. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3764
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:40:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:- Blood Raider Covenant (We have no stance on those simply of the Sani Sabik religious persuasion) Anyone on the IGS claiming Sani Sabik affiliation of any kind will share information with Azias Urazmie. That's pretty much a given.
N'maro Makari wrote:- Factional terrorist or proscribed groups, inc. but not ltd. to Bloody Hands of Matar, Templis Dragonaurs. Remember that the Caldari Providence Directorate is both a "proscribed group" and "factional terrorists," so anyone claiming affiliation or loyalty to former or current Provists should be added to this list.
Why are the Serpentis, Angel Cartel and Guristas absent from this list? Unless they're included under "proscribed groups" or "factional terrorists" (the former of which would categorise all three, and the second of which would categorise at the very least the former two). Mane 614
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
211
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:54:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:- Blood Raider Covenant (We have no stance on those simply of the Sani Sabik religious persuasion) Anyone on the IGS claiming Sani Sabik affiliation of any kind will share information with Azias Urazmie. That's pretty much a given. N'maro Makari wrote:- Factional terrorist or proscribed groups, inc. but not ltd. to Bloody Hands of Matar, Templis Dragonaurs. Remember that the Caldari Providence Directorate is both a "proscribed group" and "factional terrorists," so anyone claiming affiliation or loyalty to former or current Provists should be added to this list. Why are the Serpentis, Angel Cartel and Guristas absent from this list? Unless they're included under "proscribed groups" or "factional terrorists" (the former of which would categorise all three, and the second of which would categorise at the very least the former two).
Your concern is understood, but a couple of points need clarification.
Firstly, the words 'inc. but not ltd. to' shorthand for 'including but not limited to'. The lists are meant to give a general idea to people, it is not a name-and-shame list.
Secondly I believe it was stated, apologies if it was not clear enough, that it is our intent to be flexible. Will I look at a long-time supporter of the Blood Raiders who routinely harvests young rose-cheeked maidens from their beds while gazing longingly at their signed 'Bloody Omir' poster at night and say "there's our man/lady"? Probably not. Someone who had a brief fling in their "wilder years" with a group of people drinking questionably red liquid? This bothers me less. A lot less. There are very few cases which will get an outright no based solely on one factor. Cases you describe regarding Sabik on the IGS would indeed be of interest, so if you have any specifics, please do mail them.
In any event, while we fill the role of adjudicator now, it is our intent to set up a project leadership that is not SYNE-dominated, and decisions, including admissions will be tempered by group consensus. This will happen after initial 'setting up' phases.
I apologise if there were misunderstandings.
*edit* Your concerns about other Pirate groups in particular have been taken into account, our hesitation to list them is based mostly on the fact that we have worked on rare occasion with capsuleer affiliates in areas of mutual interest, most notably in the opening of the Nation War of Resurgence. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:08:00 -
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An easier way to put it. Basically if you have interacted with the accord in some hostile fashion we're not goin to invite you to the tea party. Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
75
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:13:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:The items in question are not yours, they are stolen. N'maro Makari wrote: It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved.
Harboring items stolen from the 'pirate' groups is a de-facto declaration of hostility against these groups. You might find there to be consequences for these actions.
Every action has a consequence, so save your empty, pseudo-philosophic threats. Also, If someone had tech that you wanted and there was an opportunity to acquire it, you would have taken it so get off your high horse. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Lieutenant of-áThe Synenose Accord |
Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
20
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:38:00 -
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Goodness, how dramatic and exciting !
Is this sort of thing why the Seylinn Conference thingmadoodle is postponed indefinitely ?
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1212
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:15:00 -
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Nicolas Merovech wrote: Every action has a consequence, so save your empty, pseudo-philosophic threats.
1. If I make a threat you will be aware of it, although your little band already seems acquainted with losing little ships all on its own.
Nicolas Merovech wrote: Also, If someone had tech that you wanted and there was an opportunity to acquire it, you would have taken it so get off your high horse.
2. My comment is about your organization claiming one thing and doing another. You can support murder and thievery and take as you like by all means, there's just no need to hide such things is the point.
It is a fact the materials in question you seek are being acquired through bloodshed, of which you will be supporting. This is nothing to be ashamed of!
EDIT: I'll add that CONCORD has specifically mandated this line of inquiry to be avoided. Is it the stance of your alliance to be in violation of this capsuleer edict? Sabik now, Sabik forever |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
215
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:31:00 -
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Doctor Valate wrote:Goodness, how dramatic and exciting !
Is this sort of thing why the Seylinn Conference thingmadoodle is postponed indefinitely ?
More came about as a result of, but partially yes, the operation requirements of the time meant we would not be able to do it to a good enough standard. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3770
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:31:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:*edit* Your concerns about other Pirate groups in particular have been taken into account, our hesitation to list them is based mostly on the fact that we have worked on rare occasion with capsuleer affiliates in areas of mutual interest, most notably in the opening of the Nation War of Resurgence. There should be absolutely no "mutual interest" between the Synenose Accord and any of the pirate groups, up to and including Sansha's Nation. Either one of them is doing us a favour by killing the other. Mane 614
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
215
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:03:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Nicolas Merovech wrote: Every action has a consequence, so save your empty, pseudo-philosophic threats.
1. If I make a threat you will be aware of it, although your little band already seems acquainted with losing little ships all on its own. Nicolas Merovech wrote: Also, If someone had tech that you wanted and there was an opportunity to acquire it, you would have taken it so get off your high horse.
2. My comment is about your organization claiming one thing and doing another. You can support murder and thievery and take as you like by all means, there's just no need to hide such things is the point. It is a fact the materials in question you seek are being acquired through bloodshed, of which you will be supporting. This is nothing to be ashamed of! EDIT: I'll add that CONCORD has specifically mandated this line of inquiry to be avoided. Is it the stance of your alliance to be in violation of this capsuleer edict?
Well, murder and thievery are tools which can, on occasion be used to advance a greater good, but we prefer to explore other avenues and keep those way low down the list of solutions.
Apologies for not outlining our stance on murder and thievery more explicitly. To clarify, our corporate ethic is mostly based around an "ends-justify-means" basis with some core tenants, and all actions we undertake are considered from an ethical standpoint. That last bit was more for anyone wondering about out corporate ethics, but I hope it gives you an insight.
But in answer to the point you raise in brief, our stance is that non-provoked transgressions of person, life and property are not excusable if there were realistic alternatives. But please do not assume that we follow moral absolutes or maxims. It is our view that any given situation will require different ethical perspectives for the best outcome.
On the subject of CONCORD, SYNE is not affiliated to The CONCORD Assembly in any way shape or form. We have communicated on occasion, as we have with other non-capsuleer entities but that is the extent of the relationship. We are well aware of the potential ramifications of our actions, and we accept them. If CONCORD wishes to penalize us, or take further action, we will be disapointed, but we will endeavor to continue. We sorely wish that CONCORD would prove more helpful, however we will continue our work, with or without their assistance.
N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
215
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:09:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:*edit* Your concerns about other Pirate groups in particular have been taken into account, our hesitation to list them is based mostly on the fact that we have worked on rare occasion with capsuleer affiliates in areas of mutual interest, most notably in the opening of the Nation War of Resurgence. There should be absolutely no "mutual interest" between the Synenose Accord and any of the pirate groups, up to and including Sansha's Nation. Either one of them is doing us a favour by killing the other.
We appreciate your concerns and advice on our mutual interest. However, we follow a more 'enemy of my enemy' line of thought, I apologize if this is not to your liking. For example, a Sansha battleship is closing on a small transport of the Angel Cartel. We have no alliance nor like for the Cartel, but in this event, it's our opinion that it is best to deny Nation their objectives, rather than scorn all and do nothing. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3506
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:22:00 -
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Wouldn't think of it as stealing from pirate factions...more just speeding along karma.
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Blaise Cadelanne
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:08:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Wouldn't think of it as stealing from pirate factions...more just speeding along karma.
That is how I look at it too. They get what they give.
"All those men that have fallen in the fight, and borne wounds and toil unto death...are come to Odin in Valhalla." GÇöThe Prose Edda |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3657
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:55:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:// SIC - PA1 // Good evening. Recent events have yielded a situation, one which requires no small degree of scientific and problem solving expertise. Recent action against non-CONCORD signatory research facilities have allowed us to get a hold of sensitive material, which is currently being kept in a protected location, and will be part of an ongoing project. It should be noted that SYNE does not declare hostility on the 'pirate' groups involved. We would like appeal for capsuleers, especially those of a scientific background or expertise to contact us at the next opportunity, and join in with this project. The following caveats apply: being of sound conduct and/or of trustworthy reputation, and/or not being aligned nor pre-disposed to share privileged information with the following groups or persons: - Sansha's Nation - Blood Raider Covenant (We have no stance on those simply of the Sani Sabik religious persuasion) - Equilibrium of Mankind - Factional terrorist or proscribed groups, inc. but not ltd. to Bloody Hands of Matar, Templis Dragonaurs. It should be noted, that until such time as the project is concluded or terminated, information will not be shared with any external entity without group approval, this includes CONCORD, it's signatories or independent groups inc. but not ltd. to: SOE, SOCT or Mordu's Legion. Results of the project are likely to be made fully public however, along with certain progress reports and updates. This is not an open invitation, anyone likely to be a liability to security or internal cohesion will not be informed that they will not have project access at this time. However criteria will be as flexible as possible to ensure wider participation. In short, if in doubt, ask. Special consideration will be made for exceptional circumstances. Decision making will be group based. SYNE will not be the overall command of the project, though we will fill administrative roles if required. Participants will be expected to treat colleagues with respect and toleration. Any resources will remain the property of their original owners unless they deem otherwise. At this point, we will only deal with individual capsuleers on a case by case basis. For the time being, corporations, alliances and groups will not be considered, though we will likely open access at a later time. Names will be kept confidentially and known only to the SYNE directorate and fellow project members. We hope to hear from you soon. N'maro Makari Executive Officer/Chief Diplomat SYNE/CEIM p.s. Statements made here may be revised if demanded within the project. // SIC - PA1 //
At your service.
Let me know what you need. |
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Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
93
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:04:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: At your service.
Let me know what you need.
Many thanks, Herzog. Your discreet and disciplined methodology will be as welcome now as it has been in the past. Contact N'maro directly for registration of interest and further information.
O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
77
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:40:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Nicolas Merovech wrote: Every action has a consequence, so save your empty, pseudo-philosophic threats.
1. If I make a threat you will be aware of it, although your little band already seems acquainted with losing little ships all on its own. Nicolas Merovech wrote: Also, If someone had tech that you wanted and there was an opportunity to acquire it, you would have taken it so get off your high horse.
2. My comment is about your organization claiming one thing and doing another. You can support murder and thievery and take as you like by all means, there's just no need to hide such things is the point. It is a fact the materials in question you seek are being acquired through bloodshed, of which you will be supporting. This is nothing to be ashamed of! EDIT: I'll add that CONCORD has specifically mandated this line of inquiry to be avoided. Is it the stance of your alliance to be in violation of this capsuleer edict?
I do not speak for SYNE, but I speak for myself when I say damn the edict. I exist unbound by laws or even physical form, as every capsuleer does. I do as I please according to my own ethics; if they conflict with the general consensus of what is lawful or proper, so be it. I have allied myself with SYNE because of our common goal to protect and advance humanity by any means necessary.
And Silas, if saying one thing and doing another makes you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you haven't learned as much as you think you have during your time as a capsuleer. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Lieutenant of-áThe Synenose Accord |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5479
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:42:00 -
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On further review, this initiative is of interest to the PRIAN Science Division. PRIAN pilots will endeavor to collect information on advanced warp and wormhole technology as it develops, and share information to ensure the fullest understanding of this technology's development.
Further, PRIAN will be serving as an informal contact point of Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive agents in these operations. Please note that in no way is PRIAN formally representing Ishuk-Raata and cannot speak to Ishuk-Raata policy; this is merely an arrangement to centralize communication, intelligence and resources.
PRIAN has submitted for a Alkeruaku Foundation research grant, and the initial response has been positive. We will seek to establish a technology cache for use as our understanding of 'ghost site' development expands, and so will be paying the going rate of 500,000 ISK per unit of covert research tools to establish this cache. Any parties who acquire these tools and wish to sell them may contact me at their convenience, or alternatively contract these goods to me at the going rate anywhere in secure space. Technology acquisitions in unsecure space may be accepted, provided the cache is large enough to merit it.
Any State loyalists wishing to participate in this endeavor may contact me; PRIAN will naturally accept other research grants or in kind grants for an appropriate share of technological proceeds, and will operate with full regard to our fiduciary responsibility. Grantors may expect quarterly progress reports, statements of balance, and expectations on development of technology. In case that particular paths of research prove unfruitful, PRIAN will liquidate goods and pursue other viable research paths, or liquidate goods and return funds to grantors in the case that no viable research path presents itself.
N'maro Makari, please expect mail shortly. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1214
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:38:00 -
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Nicolas Merovech wrote:
And Silas, if saying one thing and doing another makes you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you haven't learned as much as you think you have during your time as a capsuleer.
Not about me this time. Just a request to get your story straight for public record.
Go on with your bad selves, as the youths say. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
242
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:02:00 -
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If this is about what I think it is, I've already set all side-projects at the Mother Nest on hold for the foreseeable future. OTSI may be able to contribute. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
524
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:30:00 -
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I think I've missed something.
What is the goal of this project, and why would I want to assist in it? Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
218
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:24:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:I think I've missed something.
What is the goal of this project, and why would I want to assist in it?
We're saving that for now, rest assured all will become clear in the eventuality of time. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1832
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:12:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:
*edit* Your concerns about other Pirate groups in particular have been taken into account, our hesitation to list them is based mostly on the fact that we have worked on rare occasion with capsuleer affiliates in areas of mutual interest, most notably in the opening of the Nation War of Resurgence.
So noted: SYNE will be considered to be an Angel Affiliate from this point forward, like the Serpentis. Thank you for your honesty on this matter. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
242
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:20:00 -
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Out of curiosity, would that actually change anything at all in TS-F/SYNE engagements, or is this just more IGS piddle? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
178
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:50:00 -
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The SYNE message has my full support. Best of luck, pilots. |
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