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Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:03:00 -
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I've decided that I want to give the epic mission arcs a playthrough. Can I do them with a ship that can easily handle level 4 missions, or are there some surprises that I need to be prepared for ? I've got a Navy Scorpion I haven't used since before Odyssey that needs to have its fittings adjusted.
Is there any suggested order to do them in ? I've got high Gallente and Minmatar standings, low Amarr and Caldari. |
Daoa Hakoke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:18:00 -
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I am very interested in an answer for this question as well. The lvl 4 epic arcs are something I have always wanted to do and I am currently working on grinding the corp standings to do all 4 empires. So any good information on them would be awesome. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
598
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Posted - 2013.11.21 02:20:00 -
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The missions are a bit tougher to a whole measure tougher than a really difficult LVL-4, that being said there are complete walkthroughs at EVE survival, as well as a few more out there (Google is a wise friend).
A solid LVL-4 BS should get you through most of the missions, I do them in a Mach 1400's or 800's depending on what it calls for. But some of the arc missions will have you run to Low/Nul so a cloaky possibly Nullified ship is handy as well.
Hesod Adee, I do each arc every 90 days so as long as your not below -2 with Amarr it should only take a few days of grinding to get the standings to run the Amarr one as well. The Caldari needs Expert Distrubution standings and the best agent you will find for them is a LVL 3 security agent, so it could take a little more time.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:00:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:But some of the arc missions will have you run to Low/Nul so a cloaky possibly Nullified ship is handy as well. Checking the wiki I notice that for the Amarr and Gallente arcs, there is a choice with one branch going low sec, the other staying in high sec. No mention of nullsec except on the pirate arcs.
So I plan to avoid the low sec branches. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16205
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:36:00 -
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I started the Arcs in a T2 fit Command Ship but soon afterwards had to refit with Faction / Deadspace mods. Then after some EFT action, I realized the T3 Cruisers actually had better defense with a smaller signature, more agility and speed. However their DPS output was also less but they still had enough DPS to complete the arc's solo.
The only mission in the Epic Arc's I couldn't complete solo with a Faction / Deadspace fit Loki is the Caldari Epic Arc mission - Mission 16 - Across the Line (Hyasyoda path) - due to the Perma Jam done by the 4 Elite Cruisers. A quick fleet up with another character makes that mission short and sweet.
For guides I looked at 3 different resources :
Eve-Survival
Lorebook
Evelopedia (Type the Epic Arc name in the search option)
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Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:55:00 -
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Lorebook answers my questions regarding which arcs have lowsec missions.
I'm thinking I grind up my Caldari and Amarr standings, run their arcs. Then hope my Gallente and Minmatar standings are still sufficient to run their arcs. The other way round might have less grind, but I want my standings to allow me to enter the Gallente militia at the end of this. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:02:00 -
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Biggest surprise about the epic arcs is that you have to grind up standings with a corporation in that faction first. I don't know how bad it is for other factions, but for Sydication (Gallente) you need +5 standings with Impetus. They are a small but "global" corporation that has 8 total security agents. Its kind of a pain. because they're very spread out, faction kill missions are an issue. Fighting is Magic |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:12:00 -
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Do you have a fit for an assault frig that can handle the low sec missions ?
I can fly AFs for all races. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:41:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Goldiiee wrote:But some of the arc missions will have you run to Low/Nul so a cloaky possibly Nullified ship is handy as well. Checking the wiki I notice that for the Amarr and Gallente arcs, there is a choice with one branch going low sec, the other staying in high sec. No mention of nullsec except on the pirate arcs. So I plan to avoid the low sec branches. Caldari Epic arc: Optional mission Two Steps Into Hell 33 jumps (9 low, 2 null)
It's a courier into npc null.
I think that that's the only one that goes into null. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16258
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:57:00 -
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Just wanted to mention that for access to the Epic Arc's, either Corporation or Faction standing (modified by Social skills) is accepted. If using Corporation standing for access then the Faction of the starting agent needs to be above -2.00 standing.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs
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Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:23:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just wanted to mention that for access to the Epic Arc's, either Corporation or Faction standing (modified by Social skills) is accepted. If using Corporation standing for access then the Faction of the starting agent needs to be above -2.00 standing. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcsDMC Nice. I've already got my standings with minmatar and gallente above 7, so the only thing left before I start the minmatar arc is fitting the ship to haul my ammo around. Gallente arc will need a ship for the low sec parts. I'm thinking a retribution simply because going lasers means I don't have to worry about restocking ammo. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.11.22 01:36:00 -
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I think that the most that I faced in Gallente low sec was a handful of cruisers and frigates, maybe some heavy missile batteries. Nothing that should stress out an ammo load.
A covert ops frigate would probably be a good idea for the low sec couriers. I think I ended up switching to a tengu with scout for the combat because that' what I had available but I would imagine that an assault frigate might be able to do it or a t1 cruiser like a vexor.
I think in Hidden Camera may have done the whole thing in a helios with its one hobgoblin ii, but I'm not sure that would recommend it.
Rendezvous needed something with more tank/firepower. |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2013.11.22 06:38:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:I think that the most that I faced in Gallente low sec was a handful of cruisers and frigates, maybe some heavy missile batteries. Nothing that should stress out an ammo load.
Fair enough. I still need an AF fit though.
Quote:A covert ops frigate would probably be a good idea for the low sec couriers. I see a few missions need data/relic analyzers, maybe some scanner probes. So I'll build an exploration cov ops.
Quote:Rendezvous needed something with more tank/firepower. Rendezvous is also a mission in high sec. So the cruiser I built for the end of the SOE arc, and kept to help with the standings grind, should work. |
UkaIS
Lords of Entropy V.e.G.A.
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:45:00 -
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My first run through all of the epic arcs was started in a Sleipnir but i soon realized that its a PITA when running against the TD in the Amarr Arc, I then completed all of them with a T2 fit 1400mm Machariel with a MJD. There might be better ways but this worked for me and I never really broke a sweat. I guess any MJD Long Range BS will do this fine as well. For my next run I will try a Bastion Mode Marauder (EW immunity ftw).
You will need a bit more than your standard L4 fit though. The tank will break in some of the missions, especially when looking at the Gallente epic arc. Also for some Missions you will want to either bring a friend (jamming in Caldari arc) or something that is immune to tracking disruption (either missiles or long range turrets that can kite outside of TD range beyond 100km). |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:17:00 -
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I've completed recently the Caldari and Amarr arcs with a standard cruise Raven with T2 tank (and T1 ammo, lol i know i'm stingy). The incoming dps is higher than your average L4 in some missions but range was the key for me. For the lolsec couriers i used a covert ops frigate.
And once again, thanks to DMC for his detailed comments in eve survival. |
Maethilar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:11:00 -
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I got a look at the lorebook guides and they say that the only arc that goes to low/null is the caldari one, the other have options to just stay at highsec, can anyone confirm this?
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
601
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:25:00 -
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Maethilar wrote:I got a look at the lorebook guides and they say that the only arc that goes to low/null is the caldari one, the other have options to just stay at highsec, can anyone confirm this? Minmatar and Gallente can be done entirely in High sec, Caldari for the Hysoda path gave me one or two low sec courier missions (Random is random) and Amarr I don't remember, which is strange since I just finished it a month ago. Guess senility is setting in.
Edit; Caldari still has Two steps into Hell' 9 low 2 nul sec jumps
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:46:00 -
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Running the Caldari arc i got a few courier missions to low sec and one to null in Syndicate. Take the back door to Syndicate and you will have less problems than if you go thru PF. You can deliver the item in low sec if you prefer.
In the Amarr arc, i sided with Amarr and got only one low sec mission. Basically it was one jump to low sec, warp to site and watch the fireworks. Op success!
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Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:54:00 -
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Maethilar wrote:I got a look at the lorebook guides and they say that the only arc that goes to low/null is the caldari one, the other have options to just stay at highsec, can anyone confirm this?
Amarr has a choice between a high sec or low sec branch. Caldari has unavoidable low sec and an optional null sec courier mission. Gallente lets you choose between low or high sec branches. Minmatar is highesc only.
Both the pirate arcs exist only in null. Since interceptors ignore bubbles, and the arcs can be started with Gal/Min standings, those arcs seem real tempting.
How often are the systems on the low/null sec options camped ? |
Tarmaniel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:14:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Both the pirate arcs exist only in null. Since interceptors ignore bubbles, and the arcs can be started with Gal/Min standings, those arcs seem real tempting.
How often are the systems on the low/null sec options camped ?
Pretty often, but seeing as an interceptor with agility mods fitted is literally impossible to stop, you can just use that. It doesn't matter if there's 50 people on the gate, with eve's 1-second event lag if you have an align time under two seconds you can't be locked before warping no matter how much scan resolution they have. |
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Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:20:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote: Both the pirate arcs exist only in null. Since interceptors ignore bubbles, and the arcs can be started with Gal/Min standings, those arcs seem real tempting.
How often are the systems on the low/null sec options camped ?
I know well these arcs and you won't regret running them. I suggest starting with the Angel arc if you never ran missions in null sec because it has easier access (Curse). Doril and Sendaya are quite crowded but you can take the long route if you want. I always take the Doril gate when i go to K-Q anyway, and now it should be easier.
Just go with an Interceptor and run the missions with a Destroyer that you can buy there. The market is a bit pricey but that's ok because you won't need much.
When you feel more confortable with null sec then it is time to go to Venal, but that is only my opinion and in the end it is up to you. The rewards of the Angel arc are also a bit better. |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:50:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:[quote=Hesod Adee] Just go with an Interceptor and run the missions with a Destroyer that you can buy there. The market is a bit pricey but that's ok because you won't need much. Do I really need a destroyer ?
Because the guides are saying the pirate arcs are doable in an interceptor. Which is what I want to do so I can avoid stations. I'll just take a mobile depot along so I can switch between travel and combat fits. |
Cage Man
297
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:31:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Good Posting wrote:[quote=Hesod Adee] Just go with an Interceptor and run the missions with a Destroyer that you can buy there. The market is a bit pricey but that's ok because you won't need much. Do I really need a destroyer ? Because the guides are saying the pirate arcs are doable in an interceptor. Which is what I want to do so I can avoid stations. I'll just take a mobile depot along so I can switch between travel and combat fits.
Interceptor will work just fine, even better now they are immune to bubbles. Discovered this weekend that a teranis can pack a hefty punch. 216 DPS with blaster then you still have 2 drones. Not sure how well they will work running arc's as I used a hawk the last time I did the arc's, but will definitely be trying them again in a ranis soon.
The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:19:00 -
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Well, you can try with an Interceptor if you have decent gunnery skills or whatever weapon system you use but i suggested a Destroyer because it is cheap and effective for the pirate arc missions. The best ships for running the null arcs are assault frigates but if you are going to travel without a scout i wouldn't bring one to run it.
You can't complete remotely all the missions so you will need to dock sometimes. Make tactical bookmarks to dock/undock, make good use of the DScan and you should be fine.
The usual fleet composition of the gangs in Curse is this:
-Minmatar webbifier recon ship. -Minmatar cloaky dictor. He won't decloak and launch the bubble until you appear on his overview so don't initiate warp if you don't see a dictor. There is always one. -Interceptors. -Canes.
So, fly an Interceptor and if you can't handle a mission then buy a Dessie. Don't fly expensive stuff and feed bored gatecampers. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16829
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:49:00 -
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You might wanna check out getting 'Pirate Epic Arc Support Packages'. It's a good resource which adds a measure of safety to help players complete the Pirate Epic Arcs easily and quickly.
DMC |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:23:00 -
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Quote:Well, you can try with an Interceptor if you have decent gunnery skills or whatever weapon system you use
I don't even step into a ship unless I have all the skills that would help to at least 4, and I've got several gunnery skills at 5 because they are prereqs for T2 BS guns. So I'm sure my gunnery skills are up to the task. |
Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:21:00 -
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Minmatar arc done. Do the other high sec arc missions offer any interesting gameplay that the Minmatar arc didn't ?
If not, I think I'll go with the low sec options just because they will be something different. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
604
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:36:00 -
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Minmatar is the easy one, by comparison I would say the Gallente is twice as difficult.
With much better rewards.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Good Posting
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:50:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Quote:Well, you can try with an Interceptor if you have decent gunnery skills or whatever weapon system you use I don't even step into a ship unless I have all the skills that would help to at least 4, and I've got several gunnery skills at 5 because they are prereqs for T2 BS guns. So I'm sure my gunnery skills are up to the task.
Good, if you are so sure then it is time to set destination to Sendaya or Taisy/Obe. I'm orbiting the ganja nebula of Delve as a ritual to pray for you. I wish you the best, capsuleer!!
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Hesod Adee
Perkone Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:21:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Quote:Well, you can try with an Interceptor if you have decent gunnery skills or whatever weapon system you use I don't even step into a ship unless I have all the skills that would help to at least 4, and I've got several gunnery skills at 5 because they are prereqs for T2 BS guns. So I'm sure my gunnery skills are up to the task. Good, if you are so sure then it is time to set destination to Sendaya or Taisy/Obe. I'm orbiting the ganja nebula of Delve as a ritual to pray for you. I wish you the best, capsuleer!! That could take a while as I suck at creating fits and it's taking a while to find someone willing to give me a fit. |
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