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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:44:00 -
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Warp Core Stabs are good as they are now... they nerf combat ability in return for GTFO ability.
The "real" problem is that currently there are certain "combat-related" activities (i.e. FW plexes) where none of the drawbacks of WCS matter.
The focus should be more on how to beef up FW complexes (hopefully without introducing arbitrary restrictions) to discourage the use of Warp Core Stabs. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Madbuster73
RED SQUAD
68
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:57:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Warp Core Stabs are good as they are now... they nerf combat ability in return for GTFO ability.
The "real" problem is that currently there are certain "combat-related" activities (i.e. FW plexes) where none of the drawbacks of WCS matter and massive profit and/or influence is gained.
The focus should be more on how to beef up FW complexes (hopefully without introducing arbitrary restrictions) to discourage the use of Warp Core Stabs.
Again, here is the Solution: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=289620&find=unread |
TheFourteenthTry
The 0rigin Illusion of Solitude
6
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:06:00 -
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Gankers can't be this unintelligent and lazy...
You can't have it that easy guys, its is the challenge that you keep coming back for. The current limitations are really perfect because, you will never run into a PvP ship that can just warp away any ole time it wants, and also is incredibly effective in combat. This mod is for clever industrialist that wants to be able to get away from greedy and lazy gankers, because they don't need the increased lock range and speed. Or in other words EVE is meant to be played and enjoyed by more ppl than just the sadistic. |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
202
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:23:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:When you fit WCS, you are not putting yourself out there to avoid PVP. You actually fit that module when you expect someone to engage you. Just because you make the tactical decision to run away, doesn't mean you have avoided PVP, because you actually put yourself into the position where someone will probably engage you.
It's the other persons fault for not equipping enough points to counter the WCS. When it comes to mining ships, I always assume they have WCS on. When I popped a skiff with a friend that had an assault frigate and a T1 frig as an escort, we allowed the 2 frigates to escape because we were not sure if the skiff had WCS on, so we just kept our points on the skiff and forced the other ships off grid. First you say stabs doesnt always mean wanting to avoid PVP Then you give an example where you confirmed the skiff had no intention of PVPing and and you assumed he had stabs. Because stabs are a cowards module.
Pretty sure that putting WCS on indies and mining vessels does not make the hull owner "cowards", unless you have some weird expectation that those vessels should pvp in the first place. You know, using mining lasers.
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
574
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:51:00 -
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Terrible idea OP, one of the most worstest Evelopedia;-á
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Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:03:00 -
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I shall repeat this in every WCS thread ever.
Solutions already exist, they're called;
1) Fitting more points 2) Fitting faction points 3) Bring friends who also all have points. |
Clementina
Coreli Corporation
97
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:07:00 -
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Warp core stabs are fine. You noobs just don't know how good you have it.
Back in the day there were no targeting range or scan resolution penalties for fitting warp core stabs. People would have a full rack of warp core stabs on PvP fitted battleships. That's right, the game had 8 stab Apocalypses running around ganking people. The corp Burn Eden would fly Ravens racked with stabs, killing with impunity.
If faction warfare people have just one stab, fit a warp scrambler, your target will be so surprised to not be entering warp then they push the button. If they are racked with stabs you should bring some friends with some warp disruptors. |
Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company Confederated States of EVE
19
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:57:00 -
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TheFourteenthTry wrote:Gankers can't be this unintelligent and lazy...
You can't have it that easy guys, its is the challenge that you keep coming back for. The current limitations are really perfect because, you will never run into a PvP ship that can just warp away any ole time it wants, and also is incredibly effective in combat. This mod is for clever industrialist that wants to be able to get away from greedy and lazy gankers, because they don't need the increased lock range and speed. Or in other words EVE is meant to be played and enjoyed by more ppl than just the sadistic.
Because it's gankers? Come on, they gate camp and ***** in forum about low sec being dead, how to bring more people into low sec and such. Give miner and others a reason to be there, they will be there ; but if that reason is for them(miners) to lose their ship, who in the right frame of mind would be there. This is thread is no difference, someone probably fit WCS and got away, CCP please nerf WCS so we can have risk free and easy kill. |
Sun-Tugo Drovotet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 14:27:00 -
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The whiners in this thread and, indeed, the whole game don't like easy prey to slip from their grasps. It bruises the ego and people who go for easy kills have fairly fragile egos at the best of times.
If the game needs modifying, let's petition for an NPC that locks onto whiners and blows up the ship. This NPC will chase the whiner through warp, be indestructible and dish out dps that would make even the most pathetic of bitches STFU. Sorted!
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Izzy Ankhavees
Ankhavees Data Mining AEB Industrial Assembly
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 16:33:00 -
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Nerf cloaks, Nerf stabs, nerf what not to simply resume EVE to a game of Standoffs.
If you are trully a PVPer, you may cheer the multiplicity of things that can happen. IF you are just incapable of tackling people sucessfully, you ask for nerf those modules.
How long before people learn that you can find cloaked ships, and it is not hard, you may not warp scramble a ship with a miriad of stabs, but that is not the only thing you can do to prevent warp ?
But what is really nasty is how long it is going to take for people to start fighting people that can actually counter instead of asking to remove any counter other than the ones they can handle ? "Perfect crimes do not exist, for to be a crime, it must be proven." "Make the body count unacceptable to ensure your own safety." "Basic rule of covert ops: let someone else do your dirty work." |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1593
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:36:00 -
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novellus wrote:I remember a recent discussion about how stabs are underutilized and should *increase* warp speed.
Nobody fits stabs unless they want to get away. Choosing not to engage means you have already lost, so in my opinion, this is making a useless module even more useless.
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Right, the ships that fit stabs are, generally speaking, not going to win a fight with a PvP fit ship. So they fit their ship to be able to get away....it is up to the PvP pilot to prevent that (e.g. bumping still works).
So, PvP pilots stop crying and being bad at the game. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
408
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:34:00 -
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@ OP
Mad highsec wardeccer is mad that he lost a WT. Nothing to see here, move along. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
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