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ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:41:00 -
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New EVE development blog video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dInM9k3tTSw
In it Soundwave states that we are getting fuel pellets and shorter deployment times. YAY! |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:56:00 -
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Fuel pellets? Do we no longer need ice products, pi products, or what? More details on this change would be nice. No sense hording fuel if it will change. |
ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:02:00 -
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While they don't explain in any more detail in the video it is easy to assume what it will be.
The fuel pellets will be made from POS fuels, so all of those products will still need to be manufactured. Fuel pellets will just be the things that are consumed at a constant rate and not dependent on CPU or PG usage. Liquid Ozone and Heavy Water will still need to be brought in separately.
Open questions: Will pellets be race dependent or will we also have to bring in racial fuel separately. Will pellets be different sizes for different sized POS or will a small POS consume 1 pellet an hour, medium POS pellets an hour, and a large POS 4 pellets an hour.
Would be nice to have a dev comment on that but I suppose these will be on the test server soon for us to try any ways. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:38:00 -
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Fuel... GSF... Wait what. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:39:00 -
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ShadowMaster wrote:While they don't explain in any more detail in the video it is easy to assume what it will be.
The fuel pellets will be made from POS fuels, so all of those products will still need to be manufactured. Fuel pellets will just be the things that are consumed at a constant rate and not dependent on CPU or PG usage. Liquid Ozone and Heavy Water will still need to be brought in separately.
Open questions: Will pellets be race dependent or will we also have to bring in racial fuel separately. Will pellets be different sizes for different sized POS or will a small POS consume 1 pellet an hour, medium POS pellets an hour, and a large POS 4 pellets an hour.
Would be nice to have a dev comment on that but I suppose these will be on the test server soon for us to try any ways.
I personally hope there are 3 types of fuel pellets, one for Large, Med and Sm tower but that the races are the same, or just one generic fuel pellet.
I assume the PI fuels will get manufactured with ice into pellets which could complicate wh life a bit as they'd need an extra refining step or just more HS trips.
Great news though, a change would be nice. Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow?
Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels! |
Svandis Illuvatar
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:44:00 -
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I just hope, for Eve's sake, that Fuel Pellets are not released until the modular POS system is implemented. Something your working on, right CCP........ |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:47:00 -
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Svandis Illuvatar wrote:I just hope, for Eve's sake, that Fuel Pellets are not released until the modular POS system is implemented. Something your working on, right CCP........
Did they said they working on it.. don't know **** about it. |
Markarian Aurelius
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:08:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Fuel... GSF... Wait what.
Well yes, GSF has been particularly vocal about POS fuels, but the simplicity is something we've all wanted for quite awhile and have complained about.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:11:00 -
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All POSs will be hamster powered. The Pellets are for them. |
Dark Privateer
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:45:00 -
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Soo, let me get this right, after i been bustin my ass on the hamster wheel keeping the servers going, do i have to also push a lever to get my pellet? Or will psych project include pavlov's dogs with the bell so you make me salivate so i'm oh so appreciative of that glorious pellet? |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:40:00 -
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Awesome feature one of the best if it works as i though it will hope they add skills to quicken up onlining anchoring or more at the same time + add queue |
Blue Binary
Polychoron
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:59:00 -
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The idea was suggested about 3-+ years ago.
Basically using a blueprint to convert current POS fuels (isotopes, mech parts, etc.) into the 4 racial fuel pellets. |
ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:05:00 -
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Blue Binary wrote:The idea was suggested about 3-+ years ago.Basically using a blueprint to convert current POS fuels (isotopes, mech parts, etc.) into the 4 racial fuel pellets.
Yea, I knew it had been around for a while. From what I understand the current CSM pushed this idea hard to CCP. It will be really interesting to see how the implementation compares to that post once it actually hits TQ.
Has anyone checked to see if this feature is on Sisi? |
Persona Nongratus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.05 06:00:00 -
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So, this begs the question... is there more to Goon Swarm Shrugged than just being Goons. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2011.11.05 08:49:00 -
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Not quite sure how it's going to work, since not all POS fuel requirements are fixed, some (Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone) consumption rates vary depending on the cpu & power grid load on the tower). I assume that they'll probably just make it easy and just have it as if the tower was at max load all the time.
It's high time they've done this, and as long as the pellets are the same size (if not preferably a bit smaller) than the combined fuels, then happy days , time to re-write the spreadsheet. |
MichaelWest
Alloy Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:20:00 -
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Persona Nongratus wrote:So, this begs the question... is there more to Goon Swarm Shrugged than just being Goons.
Don't think so because all the same fuels are needed so regardless pos's will still need isotopes.
At least that's what I am thinking. |
ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:56:00 -
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MichaelWest wrote:Don't think so because all the same fuels are needed so regardless pos's will still need isotopes.
At least that's what I am thinking.
You are correct. The purpose of fuel pellets is just to make things easier for those of us who manage POS. All the same fuels will be required. fuel pellets just make doing all the math, sorting, and counting easier. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:58:00 -
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Bleh,
Maybe I am one of the minority, but I am not excited about this change. Of course it depends on the details of implementation. But I can forsee several issues, at least in my situation.
Managing a WH POS in a C1, I have limited hauling capacity. Right now I have about 86km3 worth of fuel needed per month. I make almost all of the PI based fuel inside the WH. I haul in the ice products, and do so basically whenever I make a Jita run (hauler always comes back full is the policy). Given this I can easily stay ahead of my fuel needs.
Depending on how fuel pellets are implemented, and their size I will either have to dedicate another PI person to the assembly of fuel pellets, or have to haul in more m3 per month in the form of fuel pellets. And then either haul all of the PI materials out for sale or something.
Granted I may be in the minority. I imagine many highsec/lowsec POS's are fueled by components off the market, and therefore pellets will make their lives easier. But this will likely make mine more complicated. |
ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2011.11.05 21:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Bleh,
Maybe I am one of the minority, but I am not excited about this change. Of course it depends on the details of implementation. But I can forsee several issues, at least in my situation.
Managing a WH POS in a C1, I have limited hauling capacity. Right now I have about 86km3 worth of fuel needed per month. I make almost all of the PI based fuel inside the WH. I haul in the ice products, and do so basically whenever I make a Jita run (hauler always comes back full is the policy). Given this I can easily stay ahead of my fuel needs.
Depending on how fuel pellets are implemented, and their size I will either have to dedicate another PI person to the assembly of fuel pellets, or have to haul in more m3 per month in the form of fuel pellets. And then either haul all of the PI materials out for sale or something.
Granted I may be in the minority. I imagine many highsec/lowsec POS's are fueled by components off the market, and therefore pellets will make their lives easier. But this will likely make mine more complicated.
I actually hope that CCP allows us to use fuel pellets OR regular stocks of fuel. I have massive amounts of fuel stored at control towers throughout New Eden and have no desire to collect it all, process it into pellets, and transport it back to the towers. So if CCP cares about our sanity they won't force us to use one or the other and let us use whichever works best for us. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.11.05 23:22:00 -
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Blue Binary wrote:The idea was suggested about 3-+ years ago.Basically using a blueprint to convert current POS fuels (isotopes, mech parts, etc.) into the 4 racial fuel pellets.
IIRC, CCP actually implemented Fuel Pellets around the same time they implemented Storefronts. For some reason, however, they never pushed these features onto SiSi, and both features disappeared soon after that. |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:07:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Not quite sure how it's going to work, since not all POS fuel requirements are fixed, some (Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone) consumption rates vary depending on the cpu & power grid load on the tower). I assume that they'll probably just make it easy and just have it as if the tower was at max load all the time. It's high time they've done this, and as long as the pellets are the same size (if not preferably a bit smaller) than the combined fuels, then happy days , time to re-write the spreadsheet.
There's a few ways they could go:
- A base level per-hour pellet consumption + additional pellets based on CPU/PG usage.
- Pellet consumption is based solely on CPU/PG usage.
- CPU/PG usage is not taken into account at all and all towers consume as if they are running at full utilization.
I would imagine that the 1st or 2nd option would be the way they do it, but they might also go for the simplicity of the 3rd method.
And I expect that there will be (4) sets of fuel pellet blueprints, one for reach race (Oxygen-based Fuel Pellet, for instance, would be used in Gallente towers).
This will also mean that instead of the PI-sourced fuels being a fairly static amount across all tower sizes, the amount of PI-sourced fuel would also change based on the tower size / consumption rate. Which could mean that small towers get slightly cheaper to run. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:53:00 -
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I'm sure the switchover to pellet based fuel will be smooth and flawless too.
I also expect fuel prices to rise, as an extra processing step will be required.
CCP could make variable grid and CPU go away. This could also mean more expensive fueling, as "one size doesn't fit all".
I'm not at all looking forward to this at all. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2011.11.06 07:13:00 -
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I spent ages compiling a good reply, worked out some figures, and the FREAKING FORUM ATE MY POST AGAIN, so that's it ccp, you win, I'm not going to post any more. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:21:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:I spent ages compiling a good reply, worked out some figures, and the FREAKING FORUM ATE MY POST AGAIN, so that's it ccp, you win, I'm not going to post any more.
pro tip if you write more than 50 words CTRL-A and then CTRL -C in case it happens
How i think it works after reading that old thread those pellets only use the isotopes and other pi items but you still need to add your heavy water and liquid ozone seperate which makes more sense since cpu and grid v use depends largly on what modules you got on your pos I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Leonard Dukes
Arbitrage Holdings Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:25:00 -
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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the Pirate Faction towers yet.
Using Caldari, Guristas and Dread Guristas as an example:
Guristas Towers consume roughly 15% fewer Ice Products (isotopes, heavy water, liquid ozone) than Caldari, and Dread Guristas enjoy a 25% reduction in consumption. However, these fuel bonuses don't carry over to the Planetary Goods they consume.
For the Small and Medium Towers, only Oxygen gets a consumption bonus, whereas the Large Towers get this bonus as well as a slight reduction in Coolant consumption. In these cases, though, the reduction is not equal (percentage-wise) to that of Ice Products.
Given all this, there are a few possibilities that spring to mind, including but not limited to:
- Fuel Pellets will be built only from Planetary Goods. This will allow Pirate Faction Towers to retain their Ice Product consumption bonus, but they will lose their (nearly negligible) Planetary Goods bonus.
- Fuel Pellets will include both Planetary Goods and Ice Products, with Pirate Faction Towers getting an across-the-board bonus on Pellet consumption, which results in a likewise reduction in Planetary Goods.
- Same as above, but the percentage-wise consumption bonus will be adjusted to account for the inclusion of Planetary Goods
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:59:00 -
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How will this work with bonus to consumption with towers with max sov?
And whats with faction towers not appearing anymore?
It may add convince to buying fuel (maybe it compresses all the stuff too), but make it harder producing if additional step is required.
Where it happens gives big issues, nullsec stations have non-existant slots, and a planet would require products from all kinds of other planets and doing this on a planet normally used for producing the stuff cuts production. Is it P4?
Is it required to be pellet or can it remain the same system?
I think the best place to have the pellets production be in the POS, also producing them from all components would give a good gauge on how much fuel left (and where any over suppys or deficiency exist for it running).
I don't see the feature adding much, the big issue with POS is using them, then fueling them. If it is forced, it hinder more then help. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:00:00 -
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repost |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:35:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:How will this work with bonus to consumption with towers with max sov? Probably pretty easy to make the pellets say 400 per hour for a large, then subtract from that the SOV bonus percentage.
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:And whats with faction towers not appearing anymore? See CCP Dropbear's post in CCP: Why dont Faction tower BPC's drop anymore? |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:32:00 -
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well the devblog about fuel pellets is out , looks fine to me no more calculator and a spreadsheet I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:43:00 -
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As a POS operator in a WH... I see this as a (potentially) negative development.
Either I have to import ice materials into my WH - process them into pellets and then I can fuel the POS.
Or I have to export PI materials process those into pellets and then import the pellets back into the POS.
Or I have to simply sell my stuff and buy pellets.
Depending on the size of the pellets (specifically, if pellets are the same size of their component parts or only somewhat smaller) this could mean more hauling. More hauling doesn't make me happy |
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