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Miner Mule
20 Mules Mining The Luminae Foothold
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:45:00 -
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Gankers in hi sec, are having a ball just ganking thier little heads off. With very little if any punishment. Bountys are a joke anymore, you can have a bounty put on your toon for just about anything. How about a big fine for gankers, dependent on the cost of the ship they ganked?
Pod killing seems to be a new game also. How about a hefty sec status loss, along with a hefty fine for killing pods. Say automatic -2.5 for a pod kiling in hi sec without a war dec. 25 mil isk fine. I don't know, anyone have a better idea?
Space is not the final frontier......
The human mind is!! |
Endovior
Osmosis Inc Li3 Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:51:00 -
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Translation: "Waah, I got ganked."
CONCORD: still working as intended. |
Kate stark
900
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:51:00 -
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why don't you just tank your ship? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade Space Wolves Alliance
69
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Posted - 2013.11.24 09:22:00 -
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How about punishment for creating pointless whine threads about being ganked? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1856
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Posted - 2013.11.24 09:28:00 -
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So, the security status hit, and losing your ship is not enough punishment? Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4336
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Posted - 2013.11.24 09:36:00 -
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They each lose exactly what you lose (assuming they're actually successful) plus security status.
If you'd like to extract money from your gankers to punish them for ganking you, you're free to do so. You have access to the exact same tools they have. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
341
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Posted - 2013.11.24 09:39:00 -
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OP you best be posting with a forums alt or I'm gona gank your ass just for tears.
Dirty carebear.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1165
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:04:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:OP you best be posting with a forums alt or I'm gonna gank your ass just for tears.
Dirty carebear.
Likely he doesn't have a forum alt.
More likely he's posting with a mining alt.
Most likely he's got a 20-man ISBotter mining fleet that makes more than the cost of a fully-fitted exhumer every day. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1592
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:09:00 -
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The only reason any of us are "ganking our little heads off" is because you thumbless monkeys can't seem to figure out how to fit a tank, an afterburner, and orbit an asteroid. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1163
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:53:00 -
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every gank should come with a pony ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Loki Feiht
Feiht Family Clan
149
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:24:00 -
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I'd still like to see some sort of region status for prolific offenders, one that degrades slowly over each offence and can't be repaired and could stop you from docking within that region (or constellation).
Of course I'd also be up for implementing some sort of dangerous mission mechanic that could repair it for that region. More NPC - Randomly Generated Modular Content-áthread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220858 |
Izzy Ankhavees
Ankhavees Data Mining AEB Industrial Assembly
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 16:41:00 -
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Ganking is a game of chance and ISK tanking as much as mining carelessly.
Ganking still working as intended, indeed.
I cheer the things that show the power of numbers. People gotta learn that nothing is more powerful than having a lot of people, or a lot of alts, or even better, a lot of people with a lot of alts.
People just want democracy and republic style when it brings them profit. The cost of democracy and republic style is also very large. IF you want to enjoy the power of numbers but be shielded for it at the same time, you deserve to die.
Get friends, get leadership, get smart, and you will be ganked no more.
When CCP start to compensate for numbers with interventive police, EVE is doomed. "Perfect crimes do not exist, for to be a crime, it must be proven." "Make the body count unacceptable to ensure your own safety." "Basic rule of covert ops: let someone else do your dirty work." |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
319
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Posted - 2013.11.24 16:56:00 -
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Miner Mule wrote:Gankers in hi sec, are having a ball just ganking thier little heads off. With very little if any punishment. Bountys are a joke anymore, you can have a bounty put on your toon for just about anything. How about a big fine for gankers, dependent on the cost of the ship they ganked?
Pod killing seems to be a new game also. How about a hefty sec status loss, along with a hefty fine for killing pods. Say automatic -2.5 for a pod kiling in hi sec without a war dec. 25 mil isk fine. I don't know, anyone have a better idea?
Space is not the final frontier......
The human mind is!!
Like everyone who has posted this exact same thread for 10 years you have a fundamental confusion in logic.
Something that you personally find problematic doesn't equal a problem with eve. A "solution" that suits your playstyle and punishes other peoples playstyles does not make it a good idea.
Miner gets ganked= need for a manufacturer to build a replacement= a need to buy ore = a market for miners. AFK, botters, and stupid miners get ganked more than smart miners and so the benefit flows most to those most suited to the enviroment. All is working as it was designed to do. If you are a frieghter pilot then simialr arguments apply. It provides work for manufacturers and miners and all the hundreds of others that contributing to gathering and building the contents. The economy is built on destruction and all classes of vessel need destroying to maintain a healthy economy. The idea that certain types of ships should be immune is self serving at best and ignorant at worst. You have various tools to avoid being ganked including ship choice, friends, intel, fittings, higher security space, and less travelled space. (also being atk lol). Every time i read an OP like this i feel i should donate some of my time to ganking even though it is not my chosen playstyle. Imagine how horny this makes the people that enjoy it already. Please never post again ty. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12537
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:27:00 -
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Miner Mule wrote:Gankers in hi sec, are having a ball just ganking thier little heads off. With very little if any punishment. Bountys are a joke anymore, you can have a bounty put on your toon for just about anything. How about a big fine for gankers, dependent on the cost of the ship they ganked?
Pod killing seems to be a new game also. How about a hefty sec status loss, along with a hefty fine for killing pods. Say automatic -2.5 for a pod kiling in hi sec without a war dec. 25 mil isk fine. I don't know, anyone have a better idea?
Space is not the final frontier......
The human mind is!!
How about you shoot at them?
1 Kings 12:11
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Fifth Blade
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
17
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:41:00 -
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Miner Mule wrote:Pod killing seems to be a new game also. I see you are new here..... |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1590
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:32:00 -
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Christ...one of these days I might just have to make a thread collecting all the whine threads on this topic too. On the plus side we could confine all the whiners to that thread...any new thread, just report it and ask that it gets locked. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
406
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:29:00 -
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Miner Mule wrote:Pod killing seems to be a new game also. How about a hefty sec status loss, along with a hefty fine for killing pods. Say automatic -2.5 for a pod kiling in hi sec without a war dec. 25 mil isk fine. I don't know, anyone have a better idea? Nope. You took risk of higher probability of being ganked when you undocked in untanked miner or set capsule on autopilot to maximize profits and/or minimize effort. You were punished for that. Gankers already suffer sec status and ship loss, even more so if they kill pod. If they choose to buy back sec status - you can see it as paying fine. There is no need to change that system. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
635
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:01:00 -
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Why doesn't anyone just tell it like it is? Both miners and gankers are bored out of their skulls. I can't think of two more tedious activities in EVE, with the possible exception of hitting "D" at any of the Jita jump gates during high traffic. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1168
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The only reason any of us are "ganking our little heads off" is because you thumbless monkeys can't seem to figure out how to fit a tank, an afterburner, and orbit an asteroid.
To be fair, the only ORE ships that have enough fittings for a prop mod are the Venture and the Orca. The Rorqual doesn't really count. Everything else is going to need rigs or fitting mods, which cuts into the tank. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4347
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:38:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The only reason any of us are "ganking our little heads off" is because you thumbless monkeys can't seem to figure out how to fit a tank, an afterburner, and orbit an asteroid. To be fair, the only ORE ships that have enough fittings for a prop mod are the Venture and the Orca. The Rorqual doesn't really count. Everything else is going to need rigs or fitting mods, which cuts into the tank.
"It doesn't fit without fitting mods" is very much not the same as "it doesn't fit," no matter how many times miners say otherwise. Everybody else has to make tradeoffs when fitting their ships. Why do miners seem to expect to be exempt from that?
This fits a ~60k EHP tank, and goes ~650m/s whle running totally cap stable.
[Skiff, Bump-Proof]
Upgrade II Upgrade II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
Strip or Ice II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I [Empty Rig slot]
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Yi-Ming Gren
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
32
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:58:00 -
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Miner Mule wrote:Gankers in hi sec, are having a ball just ganking thier little heads off. With very little if any punishment. Bountys are a joke anymore, you can have a bounty put on your toon for just about anything. How about a big fine for gankers, dependent on the cost of the ship they ganked?
Pod killing seems to be a new game also. How about a hefty sec status loss, along with a hefty fine for killing pods. Say automatic -2.5 for a pod kiling in hi sec without a war dec. 25 mil isk fine. I don't know, anyone have a better idea?
Space is not the final frontier......
The human mind is!!
Sure do, Bot/AFK bounties, every time a miner gets killed for being afk,failing to fit a tank, etc and podded the Knight gets a shiny new cat already fitted at the nearest station for free. We can call them gifts from Concord, for cleaning up space and keeping bots from destroying the market. (they can have a special color skim or maybe a portrait of James on the side like the bombers from WWII).
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Lugues Slive
Basement Chemists Dead Rune Society
9
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:27:00 -
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As long as miners make it easy to get ganked, there is no way of punishing the gankers. If you attempt to make every ganking character impossible to play after they gank someone then all they will have to do is biomass that character and start another. A Catalyst doesnt take any time to train into, the biggest delay would be the 10 hour biomass timer. |
Fourteen Maken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:49:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:OP you best be posting with a forums alt or I'm gona gank your ass just for tears.
Dirty carebear.
No need for that, he's obviously not been playing long, besides most high sec gankers are just "dirty" carebears in denial, at least miners are honest about what they are.
As for the OP, if CCP wanted to stop that from happening they would just override everyone's safety settings in high sec so nobody could break any rules, but genuine miners like you should never want that to happen because these things would soon follow:
1) No more player generated content events like burn jita in high sec and a LOT less ships and modules get destroyed = lower mineral prices for you.
2) Fleets of mining Bot's would spring up having free reign over all of high sec = less profitable ore for legit players and lower ore prices again.
3) High sec would become a very dull place, at least as it is there are a few things happening and you have to pay some attention to what your doing... playing in god mode is fun at first but soon gets old. Players who think they want a completely safe hi sec would end up moving to low, or leaving the game, so you'd have to move your minerals to low sec to sell them as the high sec market would probably collapse.
I don't give any kudo's to the vast majority of high sec gankers who are just trolls harvesting tears and are too cowardly to take on targets that might shoot back... but the ones who are hunting bot miners are doing everyone a favor especially the real miners whether they realize it or not. You and others like you could get organised and start sharing your kill rights or war deccing gankers corps and hunt them down with locator agents, or you could pay mercs to fight them for you.
Better advice would be to try out faction war, you'll lose hella ships but it's more fun than mining, and a good introduction to pvp because it's equally accessible to new players and vets alike. You'll actually enjoy what your doing, learn something about pvp, and you'll make a lot more than what your currently getting even after paying for your losses you can do it in your venture if you want. There really is no reason to stay in high sec mining. |
Clementina
Coreli Corporation
100
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:54:00 -
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Ganking in high sec is already punished a lot. Far more than it has ever been.
Back in the day, There was a separate, far lower security loss for shooting at a ship without killing it; so if you didn't succeed in killing your target you didn't receive the full security status hit. Now the penalty for shooting a ship and killing it are the same. Remember also if they are podding you they are losing 10 times as much sec status as they would shooting your ship. This will quickly turn even the fuzziest carebear into a -5 pirate who CONCORD will harass until they grind their sec status back up.
Back in the day, the insurance would pay for your losses suicide ganking, and platinum insurance would make enough money on a ganking battleship to buy, kit out, and insure another ganking battleship.
Back in the day, you could only put a bounty on someone if they had negative security status. So if the person killing you had a positive sec status you couldn't put a bounty on them. Before killrights, if you were killed by a 4.whatever sec status carebear there was nothing you could do. Not that it mattered much, the first person to kill a guy's pod got the entire payment, even if the guy had a cheap clone and no implants. Even if the person doing the killing was the pirate's corpmate or alt.
There are probably more changes I'm missing.
The only thing that has helped the ganker is the removal of the rate of fire malus on destroyers.
If you're a miner being destroyed right now it is because of lack of knowledge. Nerfs are not going to fix the fact that you don't know what you are doing. |
Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2013.11.25 03:47:00 -
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To me the problem is not in the punishment but in the fact that is too easy to gank freighters.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1170
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Posted - 2013.11.25 05:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The only reason any of us are "ganking our little heads off" is because you thumbless monkeys can't seem to figure out how to fit a tank, an afterburner, and orbit an asteroid. To be fair, the only ORE ships that have enough fittings for a prop mod are the Venture and the Orca. The Rorqual doesn't really count. Everything else is going to need rigs or fitting mods, which cuts into the tank. "It doesn't fit without fitting mods" is very much not the same as "it doesn't fit," no matter how many times miners say otherwise. Everybody else has to make tradeoffs when fitting their ships. Why do miners seem to expect to be exempt from that?
I don't disagree. I only mentioned it because he said to fit a tank and a prop mod. Anyway, the last time I saw any miners commenting in a useful fashion with regards to being ganked, it was more or less "I make buckets of ISK and fitting a tank cuts into that. You're going to kill the ship whether I tank or don't tank, so why lose profit with a tank?" |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
1594
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Posted - 2013.11.25 05:49:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The only reason any of us are "ganking our little heads off" is because you thumbless monkeys can't seem to figure out how to fit a tank, an afterburner, and orbit an asteroid. To be fair, the only ORE ships that have enough fittings for a prop mod are the Venture and the Orca. The Rorqual doesn't really count. Everything else is going to need rigs or fitting mods, which cuts into the tank. "It doesn't fit without fitting mods" is very much not the same as "it doesn't fit," no matter how many times miners say otherwise. Everybody else has to make tradeoffs when fitting their ships. Why do miners seem to expect to be exempt from that? I don't disagree. I only mentioned it because he said to fit a tank and a prop mod. Anyway, the last time I saw any miners commenting in a useful fashion with regards to being ganked, it was more or less "I make buckets of ISK and fitting a tank cuts into that. You're going to kill the ship whether I tank or don't tank, so why lose profit with a tank?"
Then that makes me want to ask the question...why complain about ganking. Oh...yeah, they just want to buff their game play at the expense of others. Silly me.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4356
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:19:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I don't disagree. I only mentioned it because he said to fit a tank and a prop mod.
Which one was my fit missing?
Here's a fun, alternative way to make yourself immune to ganking. All you need is one or more friends and one person paying attention.
[Mackinaw, Web Tank]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II Ice Harvester Upgrade II Ice Harvester Upgrade II
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
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